They are wagons. The 2014 Subaru Outback ranks 2 out of 10 Wagons. This ranking is based on our analysis of published reviews and test drives of the Subaru Outback, as well as reliability and safety data. (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Subaru_Outback/)
But, anyway, go on with your gas guzzling' killers because that is what I said for sure (/sarcasm). I don't really give two shits on what anyone drives, but don't act as if the data is not their to show SUVs will more likely kill a driver in a sedan or a pedestrian struck by a sedan:
You were all about the clearance and that the sedan (why the dick fingers, they are real cars?). So, just answering your odd post.
I'm kind of dying that you think I'M the odd one in here....go back and really read your weird ass reference to the 2005 Subaru Outback Sedan--that NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT.
You said it was not a sedan. It was (or is, depending on if one still drives it). But, go on with your know it all attitude. It's cool/
Post by LoveTrains on Jul 13, 2014 23:11:40 GMT -5
I have seen these outback sedans. They do exist!! Without a hatchback.
I lump most outbacks into two categories. The old style outback - "sport utility wagon". That is what the commercials called them in the '90s with the Australian accent guy.
However they redesigned the body recently - maybe for 2012 or 2013 - and those are much higher and more SUV like. They also redesigned the forester and made it bigger.
Subies are very common in New England. Personally I always loved the outback sport which was like an impreza hatchback in terms of size.
I'm trying to convince my h to drop down to one car, now that we are both commuting by foot/train and can walk to pretty much everything we need: daycare, grocery store, pharmacy, doctors offices, etc.
So far I'm not having any success.
Still if i I did, it would totally win this conversation
Then they dropped the Outback and are now just called Legacy. That's what I drive. That all I have to add.
They have always had legacy sedans. I used to have a legacy wagon. Outback sedans were souped up versions of the legacy. The old outback was built on the frame of the legacy wagon.
Aren't they more fuel efficient and less dorky looking minivans? Mystery solved.
They don't hold any more people than a sedan though which is the real need for a minivan.
I think they are more popular because people feel the need to be able to take so much "stuff" with them all the time that they don't feel a sedan is big enough anymore.
My cross over has a third row so it does hold more
Eta maybe it's a wagon? Lol I don't know. I suck at cars. Our insurance agent called and asked a bunch of questions. I felt like I validated every female stereotype because I could answer one: the color.
Then they dropped the Outback and are now just called Legacy. Â That's what I drive. Â That all I have to add.
They have always had legacy sedans. I used to have a legacy wagon. Outback sedans were souped up versions of the legacy. The old outback was built on the frame of the legacy wagon.
Correct. Also I drove a 2000 Subaru outback sedan until I bought my current vehicle which is marketed as a crossover and is actually just a damned station wagon. (Toyota venza)
Also I skipped the middle 2 pages of this clusterfuck so if someone could evaluate my vehicle choices for me and let me know where that places me on the depraved indifference scale i'd be much obliged.
They have always had legacy sedans. I used to have a legacy wagon. Outback sedans were souped up versions of the legacy. The old outback was built on the frame of the legacy wagon.
Correct. Also I drove a 2000 Subaru outback sedan until I bought my current vehicle which is marketed as a crossover and is actually just a damned station wagon. (Toyota venza)
Also I skipped the middle 2 pages of this clusterfuck so if someone could evaluate my vehicle choices for me and let me know where that places me on the depraved indifference scale i'd be much obliged.
The Venza is a wagon?? This may be the most controversial thing posted! . (It looks like every crossover out there. Weird)
Correct. Also I drove a 2000 Subaru outback sedan until I bought my current vehicle which is marketed as a crossover and is actually just a damned station wagon. (Toyota venza)
Also I skipped the middle 2 pages of this clusterfuck so if someone could evaluate my vehicle choices for me and let me know where that places me on the depraved indifference scale i'd be much obliged.
The Venza is a wagon?? This may be the most controversial thing posted! . (It looks like every crossover out there. Weird)
Keep in mind ive got a subaru mindset and haven't read this thread, but i dont understand the crossover classifications. The small upright suvs built on a car chassis I get...but the ones like the venza (or the outback) just look like a 2000 Taurus wagon with better styling.
That style of "crossover" also got really popular at the same time that all the non luxury brands stopped making anything called a wagon. So. ... yeah. They're station wagons with suv masks on.
Yeah, I came in here to see how this thread had jumped to 4 pages and think it's time to back away.
Do I first confess that we have an Outback (wagon) and we use the crap out of that hatchback feature with all our sporting goods, or do I remain silent? I didn't read the rest of the thread to find out where that puts me in the fight!
I will probably always have a crossover or wagon. Once you have those capabilities it is hard to go back to a sedan. H just hauled a deep freezer from costco this weekend. Just lay down the seats and load it up. It is so nice having the options. Also we are able to take our dog with us since she is insane and needs crating when traveling.
I wouldn't be against a minivan but the only ones I like are the totally tricked out ones and those are way out of our price range.
I'm just wading it to defend the idea on the first page that minivans aren't cool. My honda odyssey rocks TYVM. If that makes me an amway person or whatever heyjude then so be it!!!
Post by debatethis on Jul 14, 2014 10:05:50 GMT -5
DH and I just bought a new vehicle and searched high and low for an SUV that could fit our two dog kennels + baby for road trips and/or full sheets of plywood or drywall or various other Home Depot large items and still have decent gas mileage, decent horsepower/towing capacity, and some leg room. The closest we came was a Ford Flex but even that wouldn't hold a full sheet of plywood.
There's now a giant Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab in my garage. It doesn't hold 7 people like the Flex did but it does everything else.
DH and I just bought a new vehicle and searched high and low for an SUV that could fit our two dog kennels + baby for road trips and/or full sheets of plywood or drywall or various other Home Depot large items and still have decent gas mileage, decent horsepower/towing capacity, and some leg room. The closest we came was a Ford Flex but even that wouldn't hold a full sheet of plywood.
There's now a giant Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab in my garage. It doesn't hold 7 people like the Flex did but it does everything else.
I might need to turn in my liberal card now.
How often are you hauling those large items? If it's only going to be for the next year or so, you would have been better off renting a truck when you needed it.
bah. I don't even know why I'm arguing. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions is mind boggling. I should know, I do it too.
110# German shepherd + 2 kids + hauling shit to the lake house all the time = SUV. I cannot be sorry for this.
My dog is only (supposed to be) 55lbs, but I'm here. We are maxed out in the Nissan Rogue, we need to research a roof rack for Christmas. Car seats are so fucking huge that Pearl doesn't fit between them, plus I can't leave them that close with snacks. So her crate takes up half the cargo space. I literally don't know where she would go in a sedan.
When the big green truck broke down on the road to camping, we ended up stuffing BOTH the Rogue and the CRV. It was a little embarrassing, but at least we weren't going far.
A minivan would work, but you'd have to fold down the back seats for cargo, in which case it's just the same as an SUV. The Odyssey gets slightly better mileage than a Pilot, but CRV is significantly better.
How often are you hauling those large items? If it's only going to be for the next year or so, you would have been better off renting a truck when you needed it.
bah. I don't even know why I'm arguing. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions is mind boggling. I should know, I do it too.
I wondered too just how often are folks moving and going back and forth to Home Depot that they have to buy a vehicle that at all times has to be able to fit all that shit in it?
But then, I don't care. Honestly, I don't. Cause I like luxury cars and pretty much everyone here is like "a car is a means to an endddddddd" so, ride til the wheels fall off in whatever suits your fancy.
Ah, but the environmental impact of a larger vehicle that uses more gas and offputs greater emissions through it's lifetime is much bigger than a mid-size car. Trucks are bad news unless you're using it as a third car and only when needed.
My beef is with people who stroll into these threads with a billion and 4 justifications. Just stop. You're not doing yourself any favors thumbing your nose at all the good and researched reasons for buying a smaller car. It's the equivalent of someone coming in and saying they're buying a designer breed dog for their allergies. No. We all know where that argument is going to end up.
How often are you hauling those large items? If it's only going to be for the next year or so, you would have been better off renting a truck when you needed it.
bah. I don't even know why I'm arguing. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions is mind boggling. I should know, I do it too.
I wondered too just how often are folks moving and going back and forth to Home Depot that they have to buy a vehicle that at all times has to be able to fit all that shit in it?
But then, I don't care. Honestly, I don't. Cause I like luxury cars and pretty much everyone here is like "a car is a means to an endddddddd" so, ride til the wheels fall off in whatever suits your fancy.
You know when Carl got the Rogue and insisted we needed to keep the big green truck, I thought it was ridiculous. But damn if we haven't used that thing at least once a month. I'm sure we'd find a way w/o it though.
DH and I just bought a new vehicle and searched high and low for an SUV that could fit our two dog kennels + baby for road trips and/or full sheets of plywood or drywall or various other Home Depot large items and still have decent gas mileage, decent horsepower/towing capacity, and some leg room. The closest we came was a Ford Flex but even that wouldn't hold a full sheet of plywood.
There's now a giant Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab in my garage. It doesn't hold 7 people like the Flex did but it does everything else.
I might need to turn in my liberal card now.
How often are you hauling those large items? If it's only going to be for the next year or so, you would have been better off renting a truck when you needed it.
bah. I don't even know why I'm arguing. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions is mind boggling. I should know, I do it too.
I don't know why you think it's mental gymnastics or justification to purchase a large vehicle. We do several road trips per year, with our dogs. Our house was built in 1920 and we do 95% of the work on it ourselves. The "short list" (5-year plan) right now is a new patio, finishing the basement, re-fencing the yard and then subsequent landscaping, a new kitchen, gut renovating the existing bathroom and adding a second bathroom. Having to rent trailers or trucks every time we've torn out or hauled something or gone on a road trip in the past has been costly and time consuming. We're also planning on purchasing a camper at some point in the next couple summers for family vacations.
And our daily driver is still a 2008 VW GTI that gets 30+ mpg. It's great for a daily driver, but it can't haul or tow or stow anything bigger than a case of dog food.
DH and I just bought a new vehicle and searched high and low for an SUV that could fit our two dog kennels + baby for road trips and/or full sheets of plywood or drywall or various other Home Depot large items and still have decent gas mileage, decent horsepower/towing capacity, and some leg room. The closest we came was a Ford Flex but even that wouldn't hold a full sheet of plywood.
There's now a giant Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab in my garage. It doesn't hold 7 people like the Flex did but it does everything else.
I might need to turn in my liberal card now.
How often are you hauling those large items? If it's only going to be for the next year or so, you would have been better off renting a truck when you needed it.
bah. I don't even know why I'm arguing. The mental gymnastics people do to justify their decisions is mind boggling. I should know, I do it too.
That's where I'm at. My mom "needs an SUV" because sometimes she has to haul stuff. I'm like, Bitch please. You have a freaking 8-pound MALTESE and no children at home. My stepdad has a truck for his business that they could use to haul stuff when necessary. Her driving a Ford Explorer is some serious ridiculousness. And it's an attitude I see everywhere.
But I neeeeeeeeeeed it.
LOL. Nope. You want it.
(And I'm with you, pixy. I do it, too, with regard to other things. So it's not like I'm blameless here.)
That's where I'm at. My mom "needs an SUV" because sometimes she has to haul stuff. I'm like, Bitch please. You have a freaking 8-pound MALTESE and no children at home. My stepdad has a truck for his business that they could use to haul stuff when necessary. Her driving a Ford Explorer is some serious ridiculousness. And it's an attitude I see everywhere.
But I neeeeeeeeeeed it.
LOL. Nope. You want it.
(And I'm with you, pixy. I do it, too, with regard to other things. So it's not like I'm blameless here.)
That doggy car seat is by Martha Stewart. In case you want to give your mom a gift or something.
Thanks! I think I will get him that. I don't think they put him in a crate when they travel with him, which makes me nervous if they were in an accident.
They have a boat and took him out on it without his life jacket on. I took her to task over that, and she said that they had the life jacket in the boat. I was like, SOOOOO? He doesn't have opposable thumbs so he can't grab it!
Apparently my stepdad was worried he'd get hot. ::eye roll:: But my hysterics worked - he wears his life jacket now.
They love him, but GRRRR they need to be smacked upside the head sometimes.
I'm just wading it to defend the idea on the first page that minivans aren't cool. My honda odyssey rocks TYVM. If that makes me an amway person or whatever heyjude then so be it!!!
#minivans4lyfe
I wish I could say that no one cares what kind of car you drive and you don't need to justify it. But this thread is evidence to the contrary. So let me say *I* give so little care as to the car you drive and you don't need to justify to me.
My only point was that minivan people evangelize their car purchase and that's where all car threads on this topic go. ("How could you buy a SUV when a minivan will meet your needs because they meet mine?!"). That's where this car thread started to go too until sedan people turned it into a sedan evangelical revival. ("How could you buy a SUV when a sedan will meet all your needs because they meet mine?!").
Which all makes me think that the national religion of this country is most definitely not Christianity but CAR!!
Just buy the car that works for you and I will do the same.
Post by downtoearth on Jul 14, 2014 10:50:26 GMT -5
I have a crossover that holds 5 kids, looks ugly as crap, and gets terrible gas mileage (even compared to my years of owning a Subaru ). I can't really justify owning it and actually feel guilty when I hit the pumps, but when I have 5 boys in the car talking about creating new worlds in Minecraft as we head to the science museum together, I don't really hate it.
I wondered too just how often are folks moving and going back and forth to Home Depot that they have to buy a vehicle that at all times has to be able to fit all that shit in it?
But then, I don't care. Honestly, I don't. Cause I like luxury cars and pretty much everyone here is like "a car is a means to an endddddddd" so, ride til the wheels fall off in whatever suits your fancy.
Ah, but the environmental impact of a larger vehicle that uses more gas and offputs greater emissions through it's lifetime is much bigger than a mid-size car. Trucks are bad news unless you're using it as a third car and only when needed.
My beef is with people who stroll into these threads with a billion and 4 justifications. Just stop. You're not doing yourself any favors thumbing your nose at all the good and researched reasons for buying a smaller car. It's the equivalent of someone coming in and saying they're buying a designer breed dog for their allergies. No. We all know where that argument is going to end up.
No. My beef is the assumption that anyone who didn't buy the type of car you bought means we didn't research the type of car you bought.
But I agree no one should be justifying their car purchase in this thread because it's lame.
I'm trying to convince my h to drop down to one car, now that we are both commuting by foot/train and can walk to pretty much everything we need: daycare, grocery store, pharmacy, doctors offices, etc.
So far I'm not having any success.
Still if i I did, it would totally win this conversation
That's what we did. Our 1 car is a compact coupe. I feel very environmentally friendly. And like I am unlikely to kill small children.