Scottish Independence Vote

[hopecounts]

This pic from Scotland just came across my twitter.
Very interested to see what the results of the vote are tomorrow.



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That's not the Parliame nt, it's a modern white building; on phone so I can't get photo easily. Looks like one of the squares in New Town, if it is Edinburgh?

So torn, just don't know what the right answer is. Would love to be back over there right now...

[msmerymac]

I'm wearing my Scotland shirt today. Not in support of independence, just in solidarity with my Scottish ancestors or something.

[hopecounts]

Sept 17, 2014 18:05:30 GMT -5 @historychick79 said:

That's not the Parliame nt, it's a modern white building; on phone so I can't get photo easily. Looks like one of the squares in New Town, if it is Edinburgh?

So torn, just don't know what the right answer is. Would love to be back over there right now...

Misread the tweet.

[mbcdefg]

Sounds like it's going to be really close.

The Queen made a semi-official remark (she allowed the press to record her talking to the public on a walkabout), which is unusual for her - how the Scots need to "think very carefully."

[lilibet]

I'm very curious too; everything I've seen has said it will be very close.

[josieposy]

I should go watch Brave or something.

[Deleted]

Sept 17, 2014 18:52:56 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Sounds like it's going to be really close.

The Queen made a semi-official remark (she allowed the press to record her talking to the public on a walkabout), which is unusual for her - how the Scots need to "think very carefully."

Oh I'm sure that will help. Do I need to add a sarcasm emoji? I wouldn't want to confuse anyone lol

[secretlyevil]

This is very exciting.

[hopecounts]

Sept 17, 2014 19:08:28 GMT -5 @helenabonhamcarter said:

Sept 17, 2014 18:52:56 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Sounds like it's going to be really close.

The Queen made a semi-official remark (she allowed the press to record her talking to the public on a walkabout), which is unusual for her - how the Scots need to "think very carefully."

Oh I'm sure that will help. Do I need to add a sarcasm emoji? I wouldn't want to confuse anyone lol

in her defense she is contitutionally prohibited from interfering in politics so that is about the most she could say.

[mbcdefg]

Sept 17, 2014 19:08:28 GMT -5 @helenabonhamcarter said:

Sept 17, 2014 18:52:56 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Sounds like it's going to be really close.

The Queen made a semi-official remark (she allowed the press to record her talking to the public on a walkabout), which is unusual for her - how the Scots need to "think very carefully."

Oh I'm sure that will help. Do I need to add a sarcasm emoji? I wouldn't want to confuse anyone lol

Oh, I know it doesn't influence anything, but I'm surprised she made any kind of statement at all.

[madisen]

I've been watching Outlander and my vote is for independence!

[pinkdutchtulips]

the part that i don't get about Scottish independence is that they want to retain the pound as their currency and QE2 as their monarch (i realize that Canada and Australia also recognize QE2 as their Sovereign even though they are for all intents and purposes independent of the UK)

it should be interesting to see how all of this plays out since the UK stores their nuclear weapons in Scotland .. and well the Scottish aren't so crazy about having them there.

don't get me wrong, i'm all for Scotch independence, hell if us colonies could break from England, anyone can

[Velar Fricative]

I am really interested to see the results!

I'm also very curious to see how a "yes" majority vote affects Northern Ireland.

[meggers5]

That pic is from Glasgow.

My stomach is in knots worrying about this.

[hopecounts]

Sept 17, 2014 21:02:00 GMT -5 meggers5 said:

That pic is from Glasgow.

My stomach is in knots worrying about this.

I really think it'll be close but end up not happening now.
My prediction is it will narrowly be defeated the parliament will spend the next several years making preparations for independence and sometime after Charles is King do another referendum at which point it'll pass but Scotland will be in a much better place to transition. I think the level of support caught everyone by surprise.

[meggers5]

Sept 17, 2014 21:06:13 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

Sept 17, 2014 21:02:00 GMT -5 meggers5 said:

That pic is from Glasgow.

My stomach is in knots worrying about this.

I really think it'll be close but end up not happening now.
My prediction is it will narrowly be defeated the parliament will spend the next several years making preparations for independence and sometime after Charles is King do another referendum at which point it'll pass but Scotland will be in a much better place to transition. I think the level of support caught everyone by surprise.

I really hope so. My friends are all vehemently no. They understand where the desire to vote yes comes from, but in the end it is better for Scotland to not separate.

And also better for me lol.

[gretchenindisguise]

H is worried that a vote for independence will give Barcelona/Catalunaseparatists more wind in their sail, even though the situations are so very different.

[mrsukyankee]

Sept 17, 2014 20:06:45 GMT -5 pinkdutchtulips said:

the part that i don't get about Scottish independence is that they want to retain the pound as their currency and QE2 as their monarch (i realize that Canada and Australia also recognize QE2 as their Sovereign even though they are for all intents and purposes independent of the UK)

it should be interesting to see how all of this plays out since the UK stores their nuclear weapons in Scotland .. and well the Scottish aren't so crazy about having them there.

don't get me wrong, i'm all for Scotch independence, hell if us colonies could break from England, anyone can

Won't happen regarding the pound.  If they separate, they will have about a year to either join the EU & take on the Euro or they will have to get another currency.  They can't pull out of the UK and expect to still have all the "perks".

[IIOY]

Sept 17, 2014 21:06:13 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

Sept 17, 2014 21:02:00 GMT -5 meggers5 said:

That pic is from Glasgow.

My stomach is in knots worrying about this.

I really think it'll be close but end up not happening now.
My prediction is it will narrowly be defeated

This is my prediction as well.

I am loving watching England squirm.

[Velar Fricative]

I've been reading comparisons of this and the 1995 Quebec independence referendum which was narrowly defeated and I think the vote went 50.6-49.4 (so yeah, reallllly close), and it appears the key difference that could make Scotland's referendum swing the other way is that they actually worded the question clearly lol.

And apparently Scottish nationalists and Quebec nationalists have been working together for the last 20 years to learn from each other. So a Yes vote will have repercussions for Canada although the Québécois party that supports independence lost miserably during their last elections. So, hmmmm. Look, I just wanna be able to keep visiting Montreal easily.

[Velar Fricative]

Also, as a consolation gift if England loses Scotland, think Obama will be able to give them Florida?

You know I love you Florida peeps on this board.

[Velar Fricative]

Also, look for Spain to give an independent Scotland an incredibly hard time in joining the EU. Hell, I'm curious to see if they'll even recognize Scotland's independence.

And maybe Belgium will finally fall apart. Not "finally" in that I wanted it to separate, just that I'm amazed that country lasted this long.

Can you tell I'm so dang curious about the global consequences of all this? Even if it's defeated, we will see more referendums (plural sp?) elsewhere.

[secretlyevil]

Sept 18, 2014 5:17:18 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Also, as a consolation gift if England loses Scotland, think Obama will be able to give them Florida?

You know I love you Florida peeps on this board.

[secretlyevil]

I expected an update. Darn.

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 18, 2014 5:33:58 GMT -5 secretlyevil said:

I expected an update. Darn.

Day's nowhere near over in Scotland.

[Deleted]

If FL went to the UK, I'd better move to FL. I've always wondered how the US would be different if we had stayed longer and/or left peacefully; it worked out decently for Canada and Australia.

[frlcb]

Sept 18, 2014 2:02:53 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

Sept 17, 2014 20:06:45 GMT -5 pinkdutchtulips said:

the part that i don't get about Scottish independence is that they want to retain the pound as their currency and QE2 as their monarch (i realize that Canada and Australia also recognize QE2 as their Sovereign even though they are for all intents and purposes independent of the UK)

it should be interesting to see how all of this plays out since the UK stores their nuclear weapons in Scotland .. and well the Scottish aren't so crazy about having them there.

don't get me wrong, i'm all for Scotch independence, hell if us colonies could break from England, anyone can

Won't happen regarding the pound.  If they separate, they will have about a year to either join the EU & take on the Euro or they will have to get another currency.  They can't pull out of the UK and expect to still have all the "perks".

Could they keep the Scottish pound?

[secretlyevil]

Sept 18, 2014 5:22:55 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Also, look for Spain to give an independent Scotland an incredibly hard time in joining the EU. Hell, I'm curious to see if they'll even recognize Scotland's independence.

And maybe Belgium will finally fall apart. Not "finally" in that I wanted it to separate, just that I'm amazed that country lasted this long.

Can you tell I'm so dang curious about the global consequences of all this? Even if it's defeated, we will see more referendums (plural sp?) elsewhere.

what's the thought process behind Spain making it difficult for an independent Scotland to join the EU?

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 18, 2014 6:13:52 GMT -5 secretlyevil said:

Sept 18, 2014 5:22:55 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Also, look for Spain to give an independent Scotland an incredibly hard time in joining the EU. Hell, I'm curious to see if they'll even recognize Scotland's independence.

And maybe Belgium will finally fall apart. Not "finally" in that I wanted it to separate, just that I'm amazed that country lasted this long.

Can you tell I'm so dang curious about the global consequences of all this? Even if it's defeated, we will see more referendums (plural sp?) elsewhere.

what's the thought process behind Spain making it difficult for an independent Scotland to join the EU?

Spain has some, er, issues with several groups of its people wanting independence. They are reluctant to recognize newly-independent countries as a result since Catalonians, etc. will argue about why Madrid recognizes new X country but won't let Catalonia secede without a big fight. And since Spain has decent clout within the EU, they'll want to make it tough for new countries to join.