You do realize that they could be doing this right now anyway right? Is it is just marijuana smoke or all smoke that bothers you?
I'm annoyed by loud, drunk neighbors too. That doesn't mean I should have the right to prohibit them from drinking on their property.
I do, which is why I would vote yes and it does happen to a friend of mind who can rarely uses her backyard bc of it. All smoke bothers me but for some reason the weed smell seems to linger longer.
Right now if all my neighbors were smoking pot I could call the cops if it was bad enough (I wouldn't). We just moved into a city where all our backyards are touching it would be really annoying if it smelled like weed all the time. I live in an artsy college town and while I'm sure a lot of people here do it, they still try to hide it and keep the smell inside which I am fine with. I just don't want it in my space.
Look, this argument doesn't make sense. How many times have you seen someone on here complain about their neighbors? It happens all the time. The only way you can keep that from affecting you is to live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors. You could have neighbors who love to grill awful smelling food. Or have a fire in their backyard where the smoke drifts to you (@astrid). Or have barking dogs. All of these things affect your enjoyment of your space. Prohibiting the use of marijuana based solely on its smell makes no sense. I don't love the smell of certain dishes. Should I lobby my representatives to prohibit the use of anything I don't like the smell of?
I absolutely think marijuana should be legal, and if it was a vote on a federal level I would vote yes. But when it was on the ballot in California a few years ago, I voted no. It just struck me as opening a can of worms to legalize something on a state level that was illegal on a federal level. Also, and this was just a gut reaction I had based on no research, it seemed like it could cause a lot of issues in and with Mexico. Like, maybe an increased demand in California would result in more violence from cartels on the other side of the border. Maybe that's dumb, I don't know.
But considering how successful it's been in Colorado, I might vote yes the next time it comes up in California. I do think it'd be great to tax it.
It is legal where I live, and most people seem to vaporize it (no smell) rather than smoke. I know someone that takes the oils for cancer.
It is very easy to get a medical mj card (you can get one for back pain or headaches, and who does not have that?) but there has been no news on increasing car accidents, nor has traffic or DUIs gotten any worse.
The main benefit, imo, that it gives less money to the cartels. I live on a border state, smuggling weed over is a HUGE problem. Dirt weed, too, and not only does it financially fuel the cartels, we have to spend tons of money to try to stop it. This way is so much better because it cuts out the cartels (why would you buy dirt weed when you can buy medical grade weed legally?) and it can be taxed appropriately.
When you go to a dispensary, there is a menu with a detailed description of each kind of weed. It rates their side effects (hunger, paranoia, fatigue, pain relief, etc.) and the THC and CBD content. It is very possible to get a weed that has medical benefits and barely makes you high.
It's not perfect, we also have things called "clubs" which are shady and I am not even sure its legal. They are small establishments that have no sign or name, but are simply marked by a green cross. You can download an app on your phone that tells you where they are. I have not been into one (I dont have a card) but sometimes I see them. I have a close friend that has a card for migraines and I do get a hoot when he says he has to "medicate." lol
ETA: one other unintended consequence is the amount of smoke shops. there is one on every corner. as a mother, not sure how that makes me feel.
I found a paper on Google Scholar. It was a doc, not a link to a site but I copied and pasted some of it (it was much longer) Conclusion: You don't drive safer when you're high. ETA: Wanted to add that I said I would vote yes, but saying that driving after taking pot in whatever form makes you a better driver is absolutely ridiculous.
MARIJUANA AND DRIVING: Going to Pot on the Highway
By Jim Porter, MA, NCACII, LAC
Driving is probably the most complex psychomotor task undertaken by everyday people on a routine basis. Many people actually believe that they operate a motor vehicle safely and efficiently when driving under the influence of marijuana. A number of new studies have been conducted to determine marijuana’s effect on driving performance using state-of-the-art driving simulators, laboratory investigations and highway courses, both closed and open.
A current literature search that includes outcomes from valid medical marijuana studies reveals that marijuana can damage short term memory, distort perceptions, and impair judgment and complex motor skills while altering heart rate. Marijuana intoxication can also cause anxiety attacks, paranoia and lethargy, which can seriously affect driving skills (Zweben & O’Connell, 1992; Shalala, 1995; Wickelgren, 1997; Solowij, 1998; Porter, 1999; Stephens, 1999; Joy et al, 2000).
The Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) medical marijuana study team contends in their federally published report that “For most people, the primary adverse effect of acute marijuana use is diminished psychomotor performance. It is, therefore, inadvisable to operate any vehicle or potentially dangerous equipment while under the influence of marijuana, THC or any cannabinoid drug with comparable effects” (Joy et al, 1999).
In research using a driving simulator, marijuana use before driving has seriously impacted the skills necessary to operate a vehicle safely. Roadside alertness is severely diminished as is concentration, motor coordination and the ability to react quickly. Research subjects found it difficult to judge distance and react appropriately to roadside signals and sounds after smoking marijuana. These effects were still present in the research subjects 24 hours later, demonstrating that the impairment continued long after the “high” was gone (Liguori, Gatto & Robinson, 1998).
In a laboratory study at the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) Addiction Research Center, study subjects were asked to smoke a marijuana cigarette, wait 10 minutes, and then smoke another cigarette. Both cigarettes contained either, 0, 1.8, or 3.6 percent THC-∆9, the main psychoactive compound in cannabis. Twenty minutes after smoking the cigarettes, the subjects were given a standard roadside sobriety test similar to those used to test drivers suspected of using alcohol. The outcomes showed that marijuana significantly impaired their ability to stand on one leg for 30 seconds or touch their finger to their nose. As the dose of THC increased, the subjects swayed more, raised their arms or put their feet down in an attempt to maintain their balance. Subjects also committed 2.5 times more errors when they attempted to touch their finger to their nose (NIDA, 1996).
Post by fuckyourcouch on Oct 26, 2014 9:39:55 GMT -5
I voted yes here and don't care about people using it, but I wish they would follow the damn rules. I cannot deal with the smell and there is a permanent cloud of nasty over downtown pretty much every day. I hate walking from work to get a coffee or something and having to smell and inhale it. We have a smoking ban so it's not supposed to be allowed in public like that but people do it anyway. I feel the same about cigarettes when i have to walk through a cloud of smoke, too. Plus I have asthma so it really is unpleasant for me.
And I do worry about people driving under the influence bc people can't drive anyway. Lol.
Two joints?!? That is a LOT of pot. Of course the subjects were impaired. They were very impaired.
That isn't necessarily true. Two joints of low grade weed isn't going to give you more than a buzz, unless you have a super low tolerance. Now, high potency strains like kush on the other hand, would impare pretty much anyone.
I just checked and our weed is between 18 - 24% THC, so...yeah. The study looked at only 1.8 and 3%.
Yes. I will be voting yes on this ballot. Its not looking good, though. It will probably not pass.
I know embarrassingly little about this, but this is just for medical marijuana right (in Florida)? I hadn't heard it was not looking good. A friend's niece has a seizure condition that is definitely bettered my mj. I am voting yes and probably would if it was for all uses too.
I personally have zippo interest in it. The only thing that concerns me is making sure people don't drive high if usage is widespread.
Yes. I will be voting yes on this ballot. Its not looking good, though. It will probably not pass.
I know embarrassingly little about this, but this is just for medical marijuana right (in Florida)? I hadn't heard it was not looking good. A friend's niece has a seizure condition that is definitely bettered my mj. I am voting yes and probably would if it was for all uses too.
I personally have zippo interest in it. The only thing that concerns me is making sure people don't drive high if usage is widespread.
Yes just medical MJ. A recent poll had voter support at 48%. We need 60%.
In your state? Why or why not? I was really surprised you find it that my sister is totally against legalization.
Just curious.
I would vote against it. I am just very anti drug, any drug. I feel as though (not with any real qualifications to feel it) future research may say it's more harmful than we think itis. I also think more people will drive after smoking.
It's not my hill to die on though.
Any drug? Really? No penicillin? No aspirin? No codeine? No chemo if you have cancer? No chamomile tea?
Post by snipsnsnails on Oct 26, 2014 13:53:54 GMT -5
I actually am interested in what looseseal said earlier. DH and I have discussed it before and both said that a concern is sobriety field testing. Testing like that which exists for alcohol consumption and blood alcohol level doesn't exist yet, does it? Anyone have some citations on this or thougts?
Post by jennysmitten on Oct 26, 2014 14:51:17 GMT -5
Yes, it should be legal. Also, I think I am the only one here that likes liquor stores. I would hate to see local businesses and their superior selection disappear if we started carrying booze in the grocery stores.
Yes, it should be legal. Also, I think I am the only one here that likes liquor stores. I would hate to see local businesses and their superior selection disappear if we started carrying booze in the grocery stores.
We don't have liquor stores at all. So, yeah, I don't want to have to take a road trip for a bottle of wine. Lol
I am in Canada and I would vote yes as well. It was decriminalized here in Canada a few years ago and then they revoked it.
Speaking from a "legal" smokers behalf, I would not be as mobile today as I am without smoking it. I have been on every kind of medication for pain ( including oxycontin) and I would much rather smoke than deal with the effects of the other drugs. This stomach ulcers with the different meds were the pits, the drug hangover with the oxy's and other meds that wouldn't let me function in a day and didn't help much with mobility weren't worth the pain I was still in. The chance of huge addiciton to oxy's versus weed makes it much more worthwhile. PLUS, I pay tax on it.
I don't know how much that weighs in on this issue, but coming from someone who it really does help, may make other people see that it clearly does help in ways most people wouldn't see or even want to see. It is a choice for everyone and not everyone is going to agree or believe that it does help some people with different ailments.
That's great that you've been helped so much by it.
I haven't read much about medical marijuana use and chronic pain other than hearing anecdotes about how it helps people.
Are you able to just smoke or eat marijuana once a day for pain relief? Or do you have to be continuously using for it to have an affect?
Lastly, in your experience are people with no drug policies at work and drug testing able to present medical documentation about their need for usage?
Sorry it took me so long to answer. I had to go out for the day..
Are you able to just smoke or eat marijuana once a day for pain relief? Or do you have to be continuously using for it to have an affect? A- I smoke 3 times a day, for the most part, but if I have overdone it or in a lot more pain it could be more.
Lastly, in your experience are people with no drug policies at work and drug testing able to present medical documentation about their need for usage?- I am unsure of this answer, as I can' t work anymore due to medical issues. I do have documentation if need be if my husband tested positive ( as he could since I do smoke in the house and he could have residue I think). I carry a card with me at all times, as I am allowed to carry a certain amount with me, so it is very easy for me to prove that I am legal.
I hope that answers some of your questions I answered to the best of my knowledge.
Yes, it should be legal. Also, I think I am the only one here that likes liquor stores. I would hate to see local businesses and their superior selection disappear if we started carrying booze in the grocery stores.
We don't have liquor stores at all. So, yeah, I don't want to have to take a road trip for a bottle of wine. Lol
I'm in Kansas and the lack of liquor stores when I cross the border to MO is depressing. Of course, it could just be Missouri.