In this case though they lured her in there and violently raped her for 3 hours which included rape with a bottle. This isn't about desensitization this is about wanting power, control and to instill fear and pain. It's hardly about erotic sex.
Except the bolded absolutely involves desensitization of the perpetrators.
I don't think anyone is saying there is definitely a direct correlation between porn and this particular rape; I certainly don't see anyone drawing a single line here as to this particular act. What we are talking about is a gradual cultural shift regarding sex that may be occurring as a result of easy access to porn that dehumanizes women. I don't know how you can begin to discuss the rape culture that the OP describes without getting into issues of what society is telling men and women, directly and indirectly, about sex.[/
"Rape culture" is nothing new. It's been a part of our culture and many other cultures long before people could blame it on media exposure.
I do sometimes feel like we're just broken. We're just a horrible broken fucked up species who can't really get it right. We have flashes of light and love, but sometimes I think that as a whole we might be pretty irredeemable.
Other times I do actually have faith in humanity, but right now, thinking about how through our entire history we've done terrible things to each other in order to survive or for our gods or because we think it's necessary...and that's fucked up but at least I can say, "well those are dark times. But it's not always like that." But in this place, in this time, in a place where these people literally want for NOTHING we're still doing it? Not one of those faithful happy times. Not one bit.
We always talk about how culture shapes us. I don't think this fact is in dispute.
Given that, certain problems with society are not allowed to be discussed in terms of culture. Gun violence and apparently now sexual assault.
Just as I don't think we can divorce our violent entertainment habits from violent crime I don't think we can easily divorce our obsession with porn from sexual assault. I don't know how they all intersect or where but I think it's naive to say that it plays no role.
We always talk about how culture shapes us. I don't think this fact is in dispute.
Given that, certain problems with society are not allowed to be discussed in terms of culture. Gun violence and apparently now sexual assault.
Just as I don't think we can divorce our violent entertainment habits from violent crime I don't think we can easily divorce our obsession with porn from sexual assault. I don't know how they all intersect or where but I think it's naive to say that it plays no role.
I'm not naive I'm just not buying it. They know as they are violently gang raping a woman for 3 hours that they are doing something very wrong. They just don't care.
We always talk about how culture shapes us. I don't think this fact is in dispute.
Given that, certain problems with society are not allowed to be discussed in terms of culture. Gun violence and apparently now sexual assault.
Just as I don't think we can divorce our violent entertainment habits from violent crime I don't think we can easily divorce our obsession with porn from sexual assault. I don't know how they all intersect or where but I think it's naive to say that it plays no role.
I'm not naive I'm just not buying it. They know as they are violently gang raping a woman for 3 hours that they are doing something very wrong. They just don't care.
And they don't not give a shit because they are desensitized to it but because they are taking pleasure from her pain and in fact getting off on it.
I do sometimes feel like we're just broken. We're just a horrible broken fucked up species who can't really get it right. We have flashes of light and love, but sometimes I think that as a whole we might be pretty irredeemable.
Other times I do actually have faith in humanity, but right now, thinking about how through our entire history we've done terrible things to each other in order to survive or for our gods or because we think it's necessary...and that's fucked up but at least I can say, "well those are dark times. But it's not always like that." But in this place, in this time, in a place where these people literally want for NOTHING we're still doing it? Not one of those faithful happy times. Not one bit.
Our species is a plague on the planet. I don't see how we can be the favored species.
Although at this time we have no specific knowledge of the claims set out in the Rolling Stone Article, we take this matter — and these tragic allegations — very seriously. That is why after being notified by the University of allegations following their informal investigation in late September, we subsequently notified our alumni chapter advisor and housing corporation. Through these representatives, local law enforcement was notified within days. This is a serious matter for the criminal justice system and the university investigative process and we will cooperate quickly, openly and honestly in any forthcoming investigation that may be conducted. To that end, as of today we have voluntarily surrendered our Fraternal Organization Agreement with the University, thereby suspending all chapter activities during this process. Make no mistake, the acts depicted in the article are beyond unacceptable — they are vile and intolerable in our brotherhood, our university community and our society. We remain ready and willing to assist with the fair and swift pursuit of justice, wherever that may lead, and steadfast in our resolve to ensure that nothing like this can happen, ever on our Grounds.
University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan on Wednesday evening issued the following statement to the University community in regard to an article published on Rolling Stone’s website earlier in the day:
To the University community:
I am writing in response to a Rolling Stone magazine article that negatively depicts the University of Virginia and its handling of sexual misconduct cases. Because of federal and state privacy laws, and out of respect for sexual assault survivors, we are very limited in what we can say about any of the cases mentioned in this article.
The article describes an alleged sexual assault of a female student at a fraternity house in September 2012, including many details that were previously not disclosed to University officials. I have asked the Charlottesville Police Department to formally investigate this incident, and the University will cooperate fully with the investigation.
The University takes seriously the issue of sexual misconduct, a significant problem that colleges and universities are grappling with across the nation. Our goal is to provide an environment that is as safe as possible for our students and the entire University community.
We have recently adopted several new initiatives and policies aimed at fostering a culture of reporting and raising awareness of the issues.
We want our students to feel comfortable coming forward with information when there are problems in the community and cooperating with local law enforcement and the student disciplinary process. We also want them to feel empowered to take action and to lead efforts to make our Grounds and our community a better place to live and learn.
We have been taking a leadership role on issues regarding sexual misconduct and violence. U.Va. hosted a national conference on this topic in February 2014. “Dialogue at U.Va.: Sexual Misconduct Among College Students” brought together national experts and professionals from approximately 60 colleges and universities to discuss best practices and strategies for prevention and response.
The HoosGotYourBack initiative, part of the Not On Our Grounds awareness campaign, was developed and launched in collaboration with students and with local Corner merchants to increase active bystander behavior.
A number of other initiatives are also planned for the spring. Among them are the implementation of a new student sexual misconduct policy and a related training program, a campus climate survey and an in-depth bystander intervention program that will include students, faculty and staff.
More information about sexual violence education and resources is available on the University’s website at www.virginia.edu/sexualviolence/.
Finally, I want to underscore our commitment to marshaling all available resources to assist our students who confront issues related to sexual misconduct. Our dedicated Student Affairs staff devote countless hours to educating and counseling our students on issues regarding their health and safety, and they stand ready to assist whenever students need help.
University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan on Wednesday evening issued the following statement to the University community in regard to an article published on Rolling Stone’s website earlier in the day:
This is a terrible, tone-deaf letter that clearly was written by lawyers who believe their client is about to be sued from here to the ends of the earth.
That's a horrible response...the FB page shows alum agreeing that it's BS. One person said the root cause was alcohol and that needs to be addressed. Um, no. The root cause is that boys think it's okay to rape girls and adults in power tell them it's okay.
So I just spoke to a male UVA alumni and his reaction to the article was indignation that RS was targeting UVA. According to him this type of behavior happens at every university so why target UVA, why now?
University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan on Wednesday evening issued the following statement to the University community in regard to an article published on Rolling Stone’s website earlier in the day:
This is a terrible, tone-deaf letter that clearly was written by lawyers who believe their client is about to be sued from here to the ends of the earth.
I would just like to say that no, I don't think porn is to blame. I just think it's a factor. I think easy access combined with the types of porn that are readily available and the young age at which boys and men are consuming it does directly play into rape culture.
And quite frankly, I think it's silly to say otherwise.
Long read but worth reading. Horrifying and sad but important for people to be made aware of. I was in the Greek system at Maryland and can absolutely see how the culture of drinking and frat parties can lead to this (even though it's a culture I took enjoyed in college). It's so tragic that universities try to brush sexual assaults under the rug. So many questions about why these rapes happen - sense of entitlement from the perpetrators? Peer pressure from fraternity brothers? How can this be prevented?
Sidestep - but aww, I was MD Greek too!
This was a tough read 20 years out from this system. I felt like it was such an emphasis then and to see this stuff still happening...
I would just like to say that no, I don't think porn is to blame. I just think it's a factor. I think easy access combined with the types of porn that are readily available and the young age at which boys and men are consuming it does directly play into rape culture.
And quite frankly, I think it's silly to say otherwise.
And I like porn, ffs.
It certainly provides a good defense. And that is silly. As long we provide hand delivered reasons why something/someone else is to blame we can expect the same behavior.
And you like porn and I assume are not desensitized?
It certainly provides a good defense. And that is silly. As long we provide hand delivered reasons why something/someone else is to blame we can expect the same behavior.
And you like porn and I assume are not desensitized?
You're just . . . logic is not your friend, is it?
It certainly provides a good defense. And that is silly. As long we provide hand delivered reasons why something/someone else is to blame we can expect the same behavior.
And you like porn and I assume are not desensitized?
You're just . . . logic is not your friend, is it?
Yeah, because you're clearly defending rapists by saying porn did it!!!! /idiocy
Mainstream porn is just a symptom of the root problem: a culture that believes women exist solely for the pleasure of men.
It certainly provides a good defense. And that is silly. As long we provide hand delivered reasons why something/someone else is to blame we can expect the same behavior.
And you like porn and I assume are not desensitized?
You're just . . . logic is not your friend, is it?
There is an entire segment of academia and science devoted to studying the impact of media and, specifically, pornography, on behavior. Apparently these people should have just called lulu.
The response from UVA is almost as shocking to me as the article itself. This morning they emailed staff to say they have appointed Mark Flip to do an independent review of their sexual assault policy. Of course they fail to mention Flip was a member of Phi Kappa Psi. My FB feed is going crazy over it.
The response from UVA is almost as shocking to me as the article itself. This morning they emailed staff to say they have appointed Mark Flip to do an independent review of their sexual assault policy. Of course they fail to mention Flip was a member of Phi Kappa Psi. My FB feed is going crazy over it.
You've got to be kidding. I refuse to believe this.
The response from UVA is almost as shocking to me as the article itself. This morning they emailed staff to say they have appointed Mark Flip to do an independent review of their sexual assault policy. Of course they fail to mention Flip was a member of Phi Kappa Psi. My FB feed is going crazy over it.
Oh and I spelled his name wrong originally. It is Mark Filip.
From the email this am:
"Accordingly, and with the full support of President Sullivan, I contacted Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring and requested that, in addition to receiving the continued able assistance by his Office, the University be authorized to engage independent counsel to advise and assist the Board of Visitors and University administration in determining how the University can better deal with the issue of campus sexual assaults, including how best to maximize opportunities for successful criminal prosecution of sexual misconduct cases. The counsel will examine the relevant legal issues as well as the University's policies and processes, giving particular attention to the question of how to respond in situations where there is serious and credible information about sexual misconduct but no willing complainant. The counsel will share his findings and recommendations with the Board of Visitors, President Sullivan and the Attorney General.
General Herring and I have agreed that Mark Filip, a senior partner with the distinguished firm of Kirkland and Ellis, should lead this review. Mr. Filip is a former prosecutor, federal judge and deputy attorney general of the United States.
Again, this is a critical issue and we are committed to finding solutions.
Mark Filip Born: 1-Jun-1966 Birthplace: Chicago, IL
Gender: Male Race or Ethnicity: White Occupation: Government, Attorney
Nationality: United States Executive summary: US Deputy Attorney General
High School: Maine South High School, Park Ridge, IL University: BA Economics and History, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1988) University: BA Law, Oxford University (1990) University: JD, Harvard Law School (1992)
US Deputy Attorney General (2008-) US District Judge Northern District of Illinois (2004-08) Skadden, Arps Partner (1999-2004) Assistant US Attorney Chicago (1995-99) Law Clerk to Justice Antonin Scalia Law Clerk to Justice Stephen F. Williams Harvard Law Review Bush-Cheney '04 Freedom First PAC Phi Kappa Psi Fraternity