Post by Jalapeñomel on Nov 22, 2014 10:55:16 GMT -5
Also with Janice Dickinson, she has been pretty honest with the fact that she was really fucked up on drugs for a long time. I think this plays a huge part in why people are reluctant to believe her.
Disclaimer: i have no opinion on her one way or the other.
Saying that JD should be discounted for a history of sketchy behavior is along the same line as saying BC is innocent because he has a history as a nice guy
Also with Janice Dickinson, she has been pretty honest with the fact that she was really fucked up on drugs for a long time. I think this plays a huge part in why people are reluctant to believe her.
Disclaimer: i have no opinion on her one way or the other.
This is what I was trying to say but it came out all twisted.
Import if I offended anyone. I also know that sexual assault and drug use go hand in hand quite often so the fact that she was on drugs in no way minimizes her status as a survivor of sexual violence.
The reaction I'm seeing about Janice is no fucking better than all the people coming out of the woodwork when Trayvon got shot saying "BUT HE WAS SUSPENDED FROM SCHOOL. AND HE GOT HIGH. AND THUGGISH PICTURES ON FACEBOOK." Like that somehow had any fucking thing to do with getting shot walking home.
It's what judgy, 3rd-party, uninvolved Americans do best! Blech
Post by karmasabiotch on Nov 22, 2014 11:38:27 GMT -5
I deserve the pile on. What I said was not what I meant. If you look at my track record on ML you will see I always defend survivors and advocate for them here and IRL.
This came out wrong. I'm going to stop posting on this topic mow because all I can do is apologize again and try to convey that the words I posted came out in a horrific sounding manner and that isn't how I feel.
I read a good article that says the only reason people are starting to believe the accusations against BC is because JD is famous. Not sure I agree completely, but it's an interesting take on it: www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/bill-cosby-terry-richardson?s=mobile
FFS. I would rather err on the side of believing the rape victim than not believing her. Especially since said victim has said it before. Bandwagon. For fucking real? That's just disgusting.
Post by orangeglow on Nov 22, 2014 11:57:48 GMT -5
I was afraid to come forward when I was raped. I am from a small town. He was the pastor's son (I know this isn't CELEBRITY, but someone with power vs someone without). I didn't think anyone would believe me. When a girl much younger than me came forward I finally did as well. The time frame was 2 years - not 30, but I get the thought process. And you know what? People DIDN'T believe me. I was a non-church goer who got kind of slutty (in terms of dress and actions - I never actually did anything) after the rape occurred. I was 12 when it happened.
I am no fan of Janice, but I also know what it's like to know someone hurt you and feel like even when you do step forward people won't believe you.
I believe Janice. She has NOTHING to gain by speaking out, and as mentioned, she has done so before.
I live in UVA-land and right now we are at the center of a huge sexual assault story that came out in Rolling Stone and I am so fucking sick of ignorant assholes automatically discounting a victim's story because something about the story or the victim doesn't match THEIR perception of what sexual assault "should" be.
Yes. He went to jail until he was 18. But he was also a minor and in good standing blah blah blah.
Within a year he went back to jail though. This time MUCH longer. He raped the second set of victims the way he raped me. After he was done, he used a knife to "cleanse us." Unfortunately, I was unable to testify and they couldn't use my evidence because he was a minor during our trial. I get updates though and he hasn't been out of jail for more than 6 months now.
I think Cosby has already settled with some of his accusers. That might not be true, but that is the impression I've gotten from some articles.
Anyway, the dismissal of Janice Dickinson makes me cringe a little bit. I have watched as much ANTM as anyone on the planet, I watched her reality show too. I know she is kind of kooky. But I just hate how people are automatically writing her off.
Janice Dickinson was recently on a reality show about plastic surgery (the one with the two former husbands of real housewives). She got a surgery and then pulled out the medical apparatus before her follow up appointment. And she went out to a club after her surgery (later that day). She has ZERO credibility.
I think Cosby has already settled with some of his accusers. That might not be true, but that is the impression I've gotten from some articles.
Anyway, the dismissal of Janice Dickinson makes me cringe a little bit. I have watched as much ANTM as anyone on the planet, I watched her reality show too. I know she is kind of kooky. But I just hate how people are automatically writing her off.
Janice Dickinson was recently on a reality show about plastic surgery (the one with the two former husbands of real housewives). She got a surgery and then pulled out the medical apparatus before her follow up appointment. And she went out to a club after her surgery (later that day). She has ZERO credibility.
Janice Dickinson was recently on a reality show about plastic surgery (the one with the two former husbands of real housewives). She got a surgery and then pulled out the medical apparatus before her follow up appointment. And she went out to a club after her surgery (later that day). She has ZERO credibility.
Well then, she was obviously asking for it.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
If on another topic however, JD made a statement about how she swims 5 miles a day or has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I would probably think hmmm yeah not so sure I believe that. Because of what I know of JD.
Janice Dickinson was recently on a reality show about plastic surgery (the one with the two former husbands of real housewives). She got a surgery and then pulled out the medical apparatus before her follow up appointment. And she went out to a club after her surgery (later that day). She has ZERO credibility.
This is disgusting.
To be very clear, I am not talking about her behavior, but yours. Her plastic surgery has no relation to whether or not she was raped.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
If on another topic however, JD made a statement about how she swims 5 miles a day or has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I would probably think hmmm yeah not so sure I believe that. Because of what I know of JD.
Rapists never choose victims who are vulnerable because of addiction or mental illness. Rape survivors never tun to drugs or alcohol to cope.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
If on another topic however, JD made a statement about how she swims 5 miles a day or has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I would probably think hmmm yeah not so sure I believe that. Because of what I know of JD.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
If on another topic however, JD made a statement about how she swims 5 miles a day or has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I would probably think hmmm yeah not so sure I believe that. Because of what I know of JD.
So, wait. Are you serious with your first "zero credibility" post or not? Because I need to decide if I hate you or not.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
If on another topic however, JD made a statement about how she swims 5 miles a day or has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I would probably think hmmm yeah not so sure I believe that. Because of what I know of JD.
I guess I don't know what the words "zero credibility" mean. Silly me.
Blergh, I was just trying to say that in general I think Janice Dickinson is crazy. I shouldn't have picked this post, with this subject matter, to say that. I did not mean to imply that I don't believe JD re: her claims about BC. I am not in a position to ever make a judgment about something so serious.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
If on another topic however, JD made a statement about how she swims 5 miles a day or has climbed Mt Kilimanjaro, I would probably think hmmm yeah not so sure I believe that. Because of what I know of JD.
are you drunk or am I?
I wish I was and had an excuse for this piece of stupidity that came to wrong. Baby brain? Yeah, I didn't think that excuse would fly either...
Post by PeonyParty on Nov 22, 2014 15:53:09 GMT -5
Listen- the chicken/egg comment nailed it. What the fuck is going on with some you? Anyone talking about how crazy JD is needs to evaluate themselves. Have you ever thought for one second that the reason she is the way she is, is due to her terrible past? That poor woman has been through hell. STFU already.
Janice Dickinson was recently on a reality show about plastic surgery (the one with the two former husbands of real housewives). She got a surgery and then pulled out the medical apparatus before her follow up appointment. And she went out to a club after her surgery (later that day). She has ZERO credibility.
What does this have to do with her trauma and possible rape? Just wondering?
Also, I watched that episode too, and she discussed openly how she had a problem with drugs--specifically pain killers in the past and she was worried about how the meds needed for the surgery might mess her up. Seems pretty credible to me that a drug addict would openly worry and discuss those issues.
Beyond that--as discussed up thread JD was molested by her dad. She's a victim of trauma. It seems like a few people don't really get how trauma REALLY affects people.
Post by sapphireblue on Nov 22, 2014 16:06:07 GMT -5
I think Janice Dickinson comes off as a bit loopy too, BUT:
1) I don't know her personally so I'm in no position to really judge who she is as a person and how crazy or not she is, and 2) I fail to see the connection between whether she is crazy or not and whether Bill Cosby did rape her! Don't you few posters who keep saying this SEE that people that are crazy, or drug addicts, or living on the streets, or prostitutes get raped??? Probably more because they are easy targets and the rapist gets that they are less likely to be believed.
She has talked about this before! WTF!??! YOU ARE BLAMING THE FUCKING VICTIM (just some of you, of course).