If I had JD's history, I'd be all sorts of fucked up. Unrecognizable, in fact. But the truth is, her history with drugs and alcohol is irrelevant here. No one believed the sober victims either.
Blergh, I was just trying to say that in general I think Janice Dickinson is crazy. I shouldn't have picked this post, with this subject matter, to say that. I did not mean to imply that I don't believe JD re: her claims about BC. I am not in a position to ever make a judgment about something so serious.
And yet that is exactly what you are doing. I'm sorry, but to you and every other person discounting Janice's claims simply because she doesn't meet your expectations of a good victim: FUCK YOU. The rest of us who are survivors of sexual assault don't need your asinine bullshit spread any further.
Post by karmasabiotch on Nov 22, 2014 17:07:39 GMT -5
I really am sorry. It came out wrong and once it's written its out there. If this was real life I could have retracted what I said and explained myself. If you look over my posts over the last 10+ years you will see that this isn't the kind of person I am. I work and advocate for survivor rights and have for 20 years. If it wasn't something I truly believed in and supported I wouldn't get out of my bed at 3am and drive in a blizzard to hold a strangers hand.
Those of you that know me as much as you can know someone on here won't hold this against me because you know it's not who I am.
I can't say more than this so if you want to judge me on this thread alone and not the other thousands that I have participated in then I will understand why you feel the spread sheet should be updated and why the shunning should happen. I can assure you though that as someone that has been on the other side and had my hand held by a stranger I understand sexual violence and victim shaming and that's why I chose this as the cause that has me driving to hospitals 24/7 when I'm on call for over 20 years.
With that I need to stop responding because I can't say anything more.
I really am sorry. It came out wrong and once it's written its out there. If this was real life I could have retracted what I said and explained myself. If you look over my posts over the last 10+ years you will see that this isn't the kind of person I am. I work and advocate for survivor rights and have for 20 years. If it wasn't something I truly believed in and supported I wouldn't get out of my bed at 3am and drive in a blizzard to hold a strangers hand.
Those of you that know me as much as you can know someone on here won't hold this against me because you know it's not who I am.
I can't say more than this so if you want to judge me on this thread alone and not the other thousands that I have participated in then I will understand why you feel the spread sheet should be updated and why the shunning should happen. I can assure you though that as someone that has been on the other side and had my hand held by a stranger I understand sexual violence and victim shaming and that's why I chose this as the cause that has me driving to hospitals 24/7 when I'm on call for over 20 years.
With that I need to stop responding because I can't say anything more.
Then I just don't get it. If it's not who you are and it's an issue you're so passionate about what in the world would make you even think to say something like that?
I really am sorry. It came out wrong and once it's written its out there. If this was real life I could have retracted what I said and explained myself. If you look over my posts over the last 10+ years you will see that this isn't the kind of person I am. I work and advocate for survivor rights and have for 20 years. If it wasn't something I truly believed in and supported I wouldn't get out of my bed at 3am and drive in a blizzard to hold a strangers hand.
Those of you that know me as much as you can know someone on here won't hold this against me because you know it's not who I am.
I can't say more than this so if you want to judge me on this thread alone and not the other thousands that I have participated in then I will understand why you feel the spread sheet should be updated and why the shunning should happen. I can assure you though that as someone that has been on the other side and had my hand held by a stranger I understand sexual violence and victim shaming and that's why I chose this as the cause that has me driving to hospitals 24/7 when I'm on call for over 20 years.
With that I need to stop responding because I can't say anything more.
Then I just don't get it. If it's not who you are and it's an issue you're so passionate about what in the world would make you even think to say something like that?
It came out wrong. All wrong and I was quoted before I coukd make it right. I wouldn't ever doubt someone who said they have been violated.
I'm not deactivating but I am stepping away. I can't deal with seeing my name as a non supporter of survivors. It's too personal for me.
I really am sorry. It came out wrong and once it's written its out there. If this was real life I could have retracted what I said and explained myself. If you look over my posts over the last 10+ years you will see that this isn't the kind of person I am. I work and advocate for survivor rights and have for 20 years. If it wasn't something I truly believed in and supported I wouldn't get out of my bed at 3am and drive in a blizzard to hold a strangers hand.
Those of you that know me as much as you can know someone on here won't hold this against me because you know it's not who I am.
I can't say more than this so if you want to judge me on this thread alone and not the other thousands that I have participated in then I will understand why you feel the spread sheet should be updated and why the shunning should happen. I can assure you though that as someone that has been on the other side and had my hand held by a stranger I understand sexual violence and victim shaming and that's why I chose this as the cause that has me driving to hospitals 24/7 when I'm on call for over 20 years.
With that I need to stop responding because I can't say anything more.
Then I just don't get it. If it's not who you are and it's an issue you're so passionate about what in the world would make you even think to say something like that?
This is my question as well. I realize I haven't posted much until recently, but I do wonder this. I understand (to a degree) people who aren't educated or informed about sexual assault making the bandwagon statement and questioning JD's credibility. That just opens a dialogue to inform and educate them. I don't understand someone who is a first responder and has years of experience in this type of trauma writing out those doubts.
With your history, why would you want to fall on the victim shaming side? Even if it was just poorly thought out comments, surely your experiences make you aware of the kind of damage that can do.
I really am am not meaning to pile on, I just wondered.
Of course not. As a matter of course, I believe anyone who makes claims about rape - its just too serious not to. And its not my place to judge claims like that.
That's a giant load of contradictory bullshit, and you know it.
Karma didn't say she didn't believe JD because she's a slut, she said she didn't beleive her because she's a proven liar. Rape is obviously a very serious allegation, and the people being accused have some rights too. It cannot be that we must believe everyone who reports rape; there has to be some objective criteria by which we characterize a person as believable or not. Sexuality and clothing is not one of them. Past history of telling lies is. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Karma's initial phrasing was gross but she admitted it was careless, I don't think the subsequent attacks are fair.
FWIW, I don't believe much of what JD says, but I believe this because it is substantiated.
As much as I'm appalled that people here are speaking up about doubting JD's story, I'm hopeful that it can also serve some good. The posters being called out are backtracking and trying to explain away their knee-jerk reactions as mistypes or mis-interpretations, but I think it goes deeper than that. Their posts are simply reflecting the biases that are deeply pervasive in our society, biases held even among people who probably consider themselves to be advocates and supporters of rape victims. These biases are used time and time again to silence and discredit victims - she's either crazy or she's a slut or maybe she's even a crazy slut - and it needs to stop. The very fact that this is coming from posters here shows just how insidious these ideas are and how deeply within society's collective psyche they're buried.
I think Cosby has already settled with some of his accusers. That might not be true, but that is the impression I've gotten from some articles.
Anyway, the dismissal of Janice Dickinson makes me cringe a little bit. I have watched as much ANTM as anyone on the planet, I watched her reality show too. I know she is kind of kooky. But I just hate how people are automatically writing her off.
Janice Dickinson was recently on a reality show about plastic surgery (the one with the two former husbands of real housewives). She got a surgery and then pulled out the medical apparatus before her follow up appointment. And she went out to a club after her surgery (later that day). She has ZERO credibility.
No that's an indicator that she has ZERO common sense. Just like your post is an indication you have ZERO compassion.