I will say I think it's fucking ridiculous to threaten to ban someone over a poster's cocaine spree, WHICH SHE HERSELF POSTED, and not someone who routinely contributes nothing but offensive content.
I also take exception to "groupthink." I've never met a group of people more diametrically opposed on nearly every issue, lol.
Oh for fuck's sake. Lys doesn't need to be banned. Block her ass and keep it moving. Maybe, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe if she could only be blocked from CEP and keep on keeping on elsewhere, I might, miiiiiiiiiiiiight go for a ban.
But probably not. She's obnoxious. That is all. That's not banworthy.
Bliss was posting old sensitive info a poster had deleted over and over again in a thread on MM, and I said "you're acting like a troll and we ban trolls" or something along that line. Chaos ensued, but no actual action or banning. \
See, to me, repeated reposting is troll like behavior, far worse than one post and run on a topic. That's spamming.
And I don't really see that statement as a threat to ban, more of like a warning, and it fits in with what I know of any bans around here - some random spammy troll, right?
Bliss was posting old sensitive info a poster had deleted over and over again in a thread on MM, and I said "you're acting like a troll and we ban trolls" or something along that line. Chaos ensued, but no actual action or banning. \
See, to me, repeated reposting is troll like behavior, far worse than one post and run on a topic. That's spamming.
And I don't really see that statement as a threat to ban, more of like a warning, and it fits in with what I know of any bans around here - some random spammy troll, right?
Yes, it is. Hence calling to ban lys.
Lys got a warning 3ish months ago to change her tune. It was a full board discussion. She left for a while then started again.
If an individual comment of hers is clearly racist I would be ok with censoring that post. But I don't think she's a racist troll in general so I don't support banning. Maybe we define "troll" differently. If she were attacking people personally or being spammy or something I'd call her a troll. I don't think posting controversial opinions is enough to get the troll label here, or else she's not nearly the only troll on GBCN. The only reason her posts derail threads is b/c she is usually the only person posting from her viewpoint.
do we all just sit back and allow her to post this bullshit (i believe NewOrleans has the spreadsheet) until one day she crosses the line and uses an actual slur? and then we all act shocked that it happened?
And then we'll all sit around and talk about slippery slope and wait another few months until she does it again.
Lather rinse repeat for 8 years.
I say this as someone who has been tolerant of lys before, even to the point of sticking up for her recently. She never changes her tune.
do we all just sit back and allow her to post this bullshit (i believe NewOrleans has the spreadsheet) until one day she crosses the line and uses an actual slur? and then we all act shocked that it happened?
No. Then we ban her. And please after what? Five years plus? She won't be using a slur. I'm not even sure why we are behaving like this. Are we all bored?
I actually think the fact that she never engages makes her easy to ignore. It's the ones who fight to the teeth that you have trouble walking away from.
I'll say it again to everyone who is fed up with her, BLOCK HER.
If an individual comment of hers is clearly racist I would be ok with censoring that post. But I don't think she's a racist troll in general so I don't support banning. Maybe we define "troll" differently. If she were attacking people personally or being spammy or something I'd call her a troll. I don't think posting controversial opinions is enough to get the troll label here, or else she's not nearly the only troll on GBCN. The only reason her posts derail threads is b/c she is usually the only person posting from her viewpoint.
She posts from that viewpoint and then leaves. Randomly dropping into a thread, posting her spam, and leaving is troll behavior.
IF she stuck around and actually engaged in a dialogue that would be different.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Dec 4, 2014 10:09:30 GMT -5
No, I appreciate pixy's call out. I wish more people would speak up about inconsistencies. I don't know what happened yesterday but that snatchdragon should've been banned for her racist bullshit last month.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
If an individual comment of hers is clearly racist I would be ok with censoring that post. But I don't think she's a racist troll in general so I don't support banning. Maybe we define "troll" differently. If she were attacking people personally or being spammy or something I'd call her a troll. I don't think posting controversial opinions is enough to get the troll label here, or else she's not nearly the only troll on GBCN. The only reason her posts derail threads is b/c she is usually the only person posting from her viewpoint.
She posts from that viewpoint and then leaves. Randomly dropping into a thread, posting her spam, and leaving is troll behavior.
IF she stuck around and actually engaged in a dialogue that would be different.
But she has done that recently. It seemed like for awhile she was making an effort. Is it one strike you're out if you've done this previously? Lots of people post and run or have other things to do so they drop their comments and leave.
I've said before I think she's troll-y, but I have noticed a difference since then of her trying to actively engage.
After what she posted yesterday I'm disturbed that we can't ban her. That's bullshit.
What did she post yesterday?
I sort of think of lys as a troll. I have no problem with opposing views; but lys has a terrible habit of dropping incredibly inflammatory bombs and then never returning to engage in actual discussion. It tends to derail otherwise interesting posts, because it riles everyone up fruitlessly.
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Surprise! New problem with Ferguson grand jury proceeding! 20 hours ago Quote like Post Options Post by lys on 20 hours ago A grand jury was not required Michael Brown was not profiled. Michael Brown was not killed while fleeing - he was killed when moving toward Darren Wilson - more than 3 witnesses' testimony support this as does the blood spatter on the ground. "The hands up - don't shoot" is a narrative that has been disproven by more than 3 black witnesses' testimony and the blood splatter evidence on the ground. Dorian Johnson proved to not be a reliable witness - by evidence and also inconsistencies in his testimony.
Where is the news about the New Black Panthers planning to blow up the St. Louis Arches - with several members arrested trying to purchase explosives? The charges reduced to a lesser charge on a gun violation.
She posts from that viewpoint and then leaves. Randomly dropping into a thread, posting her spam, and leaving is troll behavior.
IF she stuck around and actually engaged in a dialogue that would be different.
But she has done that recently. It seemed like for awhile she was making an effort. Is it one strike you're out if you've done this previously? Lots of people post and run or have other things to do so they drop their comments and leave.
I've said before I think she's troll-y, but I have noticed a difference since then of her trying to actively engage.
For her, yes. This is her pattern. Get called out, post a bit more, then go back to dropping bombs into posts and leaving.
If this had been her first go round, yeah, there would be more tolerance. Again, this is her pattern for years, though.
Remember the whole "pie" incident years back? People called her out then, and for maybe a month or so she tried to be more engaging. Then she backslid. Again.
If an individual comment of hers is clearly racist I would be ok with censoring that post. But I don't think she's a racist troll in general so I don't support banning. Maybe we define "troll" differently. If she were attacking people personally or being spammy or something I'd call her a troll. I don't think posting controversial opinions is enough to get the troll label here, or else she's not nearly the only troll on GBCN. The only reason her posts derail threads is b/c she is usually the only person posting from her viewpoint.
She posts from that viewpoint and then leaves. Randomly dropping into a thread, posting her spam, and leaving is troll behavior.
IF she stuck around and actually engaged in a dialogue that would be different.
I don't think that's fair. it's not like she's posting constantly while ignoring replies. She doesn't seem to be on all day every day. A lot of people don't post multiple replies in a thread. The only difference is that most opinions posted are not as contrary as hers are so most regs don't care.
She posts from that viewpoint and then leaves. Randomly dropping into a thread, posting her spam, and leaving is troll behavior.
IF she stuck around and actually engaged in a dialogue that would be different.
But she has done that recently. It seemed like for awhile she was making an effort. Is it one strike you're out if you've done this previously? Lots of people post and run or have other things to do so they drop their comments and leave.
I've said before I think she's troll-y, but I have noticed a difference since then of her trying to actively engage.
Yes, I do recall a few very recent threads where my head exploded more than once because she came back and replied to someone.
Question: If you block someone, can you still see their responses if someone quotes them?
And does she post controversial shit, or does she post racist shit? IMO, just because she doesn't use actual slurs doesn't make her views or comments any less racist.
Anyway, she really doesn't add shit to the board. Bliss is annoying, but she at least engages, occasionally leaves useful feedback for others, and has been supportive. She irks the shit out of me, but Lys rarely (never) contributes, she just drops bombs.
She posts actual, racist, shit. Some of it *is* borderline that it could be taken wrong just because of the poster.
I sort of think of lys as a troll. I have no problem with opposing views; but lys has a terrible habit of dropping incredibly inflammatory bombs and then never returning to engage in actual discussion. It tends to derail otherwise interesting posts, because it riles everyone up fruitlessly.
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Surprise! New problem with Ferguson grand jury proceeding! 20 hours ago Quote like Post Options Post by lys on 20 hours ago A grand jury was not required Michael Brown was not profiled. Michael Brown was not killed while fleeing - he was killed when moving toward Darren Wilson - more than 3 witnesses' testimony support this as does the blood spatter on the ground. "The hands up - don't shoot" is a narrative that has been disproven by more than 3 black witnesses' testimony and the blood splatter evidence on the ground. Dorian Johnson proved to not be a reliable witness - by evidence and also inconsistencies in his testimony.
Where is the news about the New Black Panthers planning to blow up the St. Louis Arches - with several members arrested trying to purchase explosives? The charges reduced to a lesser charge on a gun violation.
She posts from that viewpoint and then leaves. Randomly dropping into a thread, posting her spam, and leaving is troll behavior.
IF she stuck around and actually engaged in a dialogue that would be different.
I don't think that's fair. it's not like she's posting constantly while ignoring replies. She doesn't seem to be on all day every day. A lot of people don't post multiple replies in a thread. The only difference is that most opinions posted are not as contrary as hers are so most regs don't care.
She posts in chunks of a couple of hours at a time. Here and MM. You can go back and look at her post history to verify. She's around. She's just not engaging.
Surprise! New problem with Ferguson grand jury proceeding! 20 hours ago Quote like Post Options Post by lys on 20 hours ago A grand jury was not required Michael Brown was not profiled. Michael Brown was not killed while fleeing - he was killed when moving toward Darren Wilson - more than 3 witnesses' testimony support this as does the blood spatter on the ground. "The hands up - don't shoot" is a narrative that has been disproven by more than 3 black witnesses' testimony and the blood splatter evidence on the ground. Dorian Johnson proved to not be a reliable witness - by evidence and also inconsistencies in his testimony.
Where is the news about the New Black Panthers planning to blow up the St. Louis Arches - with several members arrested trying to purchase explosives? The charges reduced to a lesser charge on a gun violation.
I don't agree with anything she said here. But what exactly is ban worthy in this?
That we weren't even talking about whether or not MB was profiled. That thread was in reference to the problems with the grand jury instructions. NONE of the above was even being discussed.
ETA: It's another example of lys dropping into a thread without looking at the article being discussed, and where the conversation has moved on to (I know other posters do this, but at least they respond to the original post).
I don't agree with anything she said here. But what exactly is ban worthy in this?
That we weren't even talking about whether or not MB was profiled. That thread was in reference to the problems with the grand jury instructions. NONE of the above was even being discussed.
So we're going to ban people for bringing in comments that don't stay on original track of the thread? What?
That we weren't even talking about whether or not MB was profiled. That thread was in reference to the problems with the grand jury instructions. NONE of the above was even being discussed.
So we're going to ban people for bringing in comments that don't stay on original track of the thread? What?
I think this is the straw that broke the camel's back with lys. It has been an ongoing pattern for years and many of us are so sick of the blatant racism and blatant trolling.
That we weren't even talking about whether or not MB was profiled. That thread was in reference to the problems with the grand jury instructions. NONE of the above was even being discussed.
So we're going to ban people for bringing in comments that don't stay on original track of the thread? What?
Despite that threat, that poster was never banned.
She basically did the same thing pixy is doing.
Except she can actually do it, without a debate.
So is the solution you seek to ban Lys, or do you also want y4m's mod powers revoked or dialed back? Just asking, because there seem to be two topics going on in this thread (aside from groupthink as a sidebar running joke). ETA: I don't even know who all the mods are until things like this get brought up, and I don't track what happens on other boards, so there's that.
I would be bothered by this if our board regularly made a practice of banning and/or was heavily moderated. But it's not. And we wanted it that way.
I guess I don't feel like the mods are defending lys so much as defending the way we've set up this board and operated, which, to my knowledge is only banning people who are spamming the same thing over and over again. Y4m's post to Bliss seems consistent with that to me, as well.
So we're going to ban people for bringing in comments that don't stay on original track of the thread? What?
I think this is the straw that broke the camel's back with lys. It has been an ongoing pattern for years and many of us are so sick of the blatant racism and blatant trolling.
And yes, it was part of an ongoing pattern. If this had been her only instance? Fine, not even noteworthy. However this is all she ever does. Ever. Unless we've talked about having her banned then she goes back for a month trying to play nicely.