I need more clarification on the not-staying-on-topic-in-a-thread point. Because that happens all the time, to the point where posters opine with "Never change, CEP."
So is the solution you seek to ban Lys, or do you also want y4m's mod powers revoked or dialed back? Just asking, because there seem to be two topics going on in this thread (aside from groupthink as a sidebar running joke). ETA: I don't even know who all the mods are until things like this get brought up, and I don't track what happens on other boards, so there's that.
I don't want y4m's powers revoked. I do think that she has issues with this board in particular that makes her decisions on our behalf not quite on par with what would happen on other boards.
I need more clarification on the not-staying-on-topic-in-a-thread point. Because that happens all the time, to the point where posters opine with "Never change, CEP."
Usually that happens as a casual drift. Or a somewhat but not quite related topic introduced in the course of the thread.
Not a standalone, LOOK AT ME WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SUBJECT type of way. Even THEN most people wouldn't blink because that's not standard practice for 99.5% of the posters here.
So is the solution you seek to ban Lys, or do you also want y4m's mod powers revoked or dialed back? Just asking, because there seem to be two topics going on in this thread (aside from groupthink as a sidebar running joke). ETA: I don't even know who all the mods are until things like this get brought up, and I don't track what happens on other boards, so there's that.
I don't want y4m's powers revoked. I do think that she has issues with this board in particular that makes her decisions on our behalf not quite on par with what would happen on other boards.
The poster that posted Pagas's personal info wasn't banned on ML. She is still there actively posting.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Dec 4, 2014 10:31:22 GMT -5
I've been trying to make sense of my thoughts about just desperately wanting her banned and for me it boils down to this irrational thought: I want her punished. Of course I can block her and ignore her but at the end of the day, there's a difference between a leafy green troll and a racist inflammatory slag and I want the message sent that this kind of rhetoric will absolutely not be tolerated. Not just ignored, but "you take your racist fuckhattery and go the fuck home."
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
I don't want y4m's powers revoked. I do think that she has issues with this board in particular that makes her decisions on our behalf not quite on par with what would happen on other boards.
The poster that posted Pagas's personal info wasn't banned on ML. She is still there actively posting.
Yeah, but that's not my board, is it? IIRC the board did vote to ban her. None of the mods took the initiative to do so.
Question: If you block someone, can you still see their responses if someone quotes them?
And does she post controversial shit, or does she post racist shit? IMO, just because she doesn't use actual slurs doesn't make her views or comments any less racist.
Anyway, she really doesn't add shit to the board. Bliss is annoying, but she at least engages, occasionally leaves useful feedback for others, and has been supportive. She irks the shit out of me, but Lys rarely (never) contributes, she just drops bombs.
She posts actual, racist, shit. Some of it *is* borderline that it could be taken wrong just because of the poster.
I am looking through the post everyone is referencing from yesterday and sorry, but I don't see it. Was something deleted? If it's just the post that someone quoted here, while we all may disagree with it, and we can all think in our heads that Lys believes what she said because she's a racist, the post itself isn't banworthy, IMO.
I don't think that's fair. it's not like she's posting constantly while ignoring replies. She doesn't seem to be on all day every day. A lot of people don't post multiple replies in a thread. The only difference is that most opinions posted are not as contrary as hers are so most regs don't care.
She posts in chunks of a couple of hours at a time. Here and MM. You can go back and look at her post history to verify. She's around. She's just not engaging.
So there is a board requirement to follow up and engage further? Is there a post-per-thread quota?
do we all just sit back and allow her to post this bullshit (i believe NewOrleans has the spreadsheet) until one day she crosses the line and uses an actual slur? and then we all act shocked that it happened?
No. Then we ban her. And please after what? Five years plus? She won't be using a slur. I'm not even sure why we are behaving like this. Are we all bored?
I actually think the fact that she never engages makes her easy to ignore. It's the ones who fight to the teeth that you have trouble walking away from.
I'll say it again to everyone who is fed up with her, BLOCK HER.
This I agree with. How many times has she said shit and I type "I was going to say something, but oh it's Lys. Nevermind."
I don't have her blocked because I tend to realize she's not going to say anything, and I'm not going to change her opinion.
Also, I'll say this - I don't care enough about her 3.14 ass if she does end up banned.
If the cons/mods try to post/engage more, would that make her seem less, I don't know, like a big annoying firehose of radically conservative tripe? Serious question.
If the cons/mods try to post/engage more, would that make her seem less, I don't know, like a big annoying firehose of radically conservative tripe? Serious question.
No, because even then she wouldn't engage, which is by and large her biggest problem. At least for me. Troll behavior is posting something inflammatory and leaving. Which she does every post.
So there is a board requirement to follow up and engage further? Is there a post-per-thread quota?
I don't know how long you have been here but she NEVER follows up. When people ask her questions, ask her to clarify, ask for data that supports her views and so on, she NEVER responds. Ever. THAT SHIT IS INFURIATING.
I agree that's more annoying than her random interventions in threads. I'm used to that from certain CWs who are all about the non sequitur.
If the cons/mods try to post/engage more, would that make her seem less, I don't know, like a big annoying firehose of radically conservative tripe? Serious question.
Nope. Because most of the cons who post here regularly are well informed and give well thought out reasoning. I love to see well thought out ideas that differ from mine.
She posts inflammatory bullshit then doesn't respond to follow up questions. And has a history of blatantly racist posts, which makes her not conservative, just stupid and an asshole.
If the cons/mods try to post/engage more, would that make her seem less, I don't know, like a big annoying firehose of radically conservative tripe? Serious question.
I do think that would make a difference b/c she wouldn't be the only contrary opinion in a particular thread and could be more easily ignored. Her posts wouldn't stand out as much.
So all of you Cons, all 4 or 5 of you left, y'all work on that mmmkay?
ETA: I don't think it would change how Lys posts. I think it would change how much people are able to tolerate from Lys, if that makes any sense.
So there is a board requirement to follow up and engage further? Is there a post-per-thread quota?
I don't know how long you have been here but she NEVER follows up. When people ask her questions, ask her to clarify, ask for data that supports her views and so on, she NEVER responds. Ever. THAT SHIT IS INFURIATING.
I understand that. But it's a message board. There is no rule that anyone has to follow up on anything. Infuriating? Of course. Banworthy? I don't think so.
If the cons/mods try to post/engage more, would that make her seem less, I don't know, like a big annoying firehose of radically conservative tripe? Serious question.
You mean engage more with her? Or just in general?
I very rarely see lys post something I could see coming from you or y4m or kateaggie etc. if that's what you mean. Like, her comment on the post about Hagel's resignation - that was a normal con/mod post that blended right in to the rest of the thread. But her bengazi style bullshit is usually on a rather different level. So it's not as if a higher proportion of well reasoned conservative viewpoints would somehow make her fox news style talking point posts stand out less.
I don't actually see the point in banning her though. She does actually engage on other boards, and frankly - so she's an offensive asshole who likes ugly shoes and giving overly simplistic financial advice. ok. And? She's certainly not the only asshole we've got, just the most consistent.
I don't know how long you have been here but she NEVER follows up. When people ask her questions, ask her to clarify, ask for data that supports her views and so on, she NEVER responds. Ever. THAT SHIT IS INFURIATING.
I understand that. But it's a message board. There is no rule that anyone has to follow up on anything. Infuriating? Of course. Banworthy? I don't think so.
Repeated instances for 8 years is banworthy. It shows a decided lack of willingness to change.
Post by sparkythelawyer on Dec 4, 2014 10:46:19 GMT -5
I think I'd still like to understand better why posting about coke-dick is somehow verbotten but Lys is a-ok and "should just be blocked." Of Coke-dick discussions are a bannable offense, then so should Lys' antics.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Dec 4, 2014 10:53:38 GMT -5
I encourage the cons and mods to post more. I'm sure the liberal slant to the board is part of why certain people find it "groupthinky." That's not the issue at all. She wanders in and posts shit that isn't even in line with conservative leanings. It's just crazy. It's like when a batshit relative says something foolish and you're all "can you elaborate?" And your relative is all "I just know!"
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
I thought the point was that it was over and over, the same thing. Like spam, which does get people banned here.
If I kept quoting the same person about some previous flameworthy personal thing they did in a thread, I would consider that spamming and banworthy. Or even just repeatedly posting the same thing without quoting. That seems like trolling/targeting a specific poster, too.
I haven't seen any evidence of the mention of coke dick bringing down the ban hammer warning.
I mostly just think it's funny that MM is ruled with an iron fist, and the attitude everywhere else is "eh, let it go." Last I checked, bringing up a topic posted by someone else wasn't against the TOS, either.
I don't frequent MM or ML, so I can't speak to what happens over there. But, I'll take your word for it.
I encourage the cons and mods to post more. I'm sure the liberal slant to the board is part of why certain people find it "groupthinky." That's not the issue at all. She wanders in and posts shit that isn't even in line with conservative leanings. It's just crazy. It's like when a batshit relative says something foolish and you're all "can you elaborate?" And your relative is all "I just know!"
I think ladydisdain's point is that the tolerance of her random interjections is less, because it's the only game in town, but I could be wrong. It's more noticeable, since no one else is posting a dissenting opinion and people do come here for debate, in theory.
I thought the point was that it was over and over, the same thing. Like spam, which does get people banned here.
If I kept quoting the same person about some previous flameworthy personal thing they did in a thread, I would consider that spamming and banworthy. Or even just repeatedly posting the same thing without quoting. That seems like trolling/targeting a specific poster, too.
I haven't seen any evidence of the mention of coke dick bringing down the ban hammer warning.
Well fuck, do I need to go back and count how many Solyndra and Benghazi posts lys has dropped off topic into threads? You just proved my point.