I'm not willing to ban aw. She at least sticks around to debate/argue.
Exactly. It is her lack of intellectual integrity that is trollish.
so AW's lather/rinse/repeat method of coming in, starting a convo, playing the victim, saying things that are (at the very least) boarderline insulting to vast swaths of this group and then running away is less annoying than lys's one liners?
Exactly. It is her lack of intellectual integrity that is trollish.
so AW's lather/rinse/repeat method of coming in, starting a convo, playing the victim, saying things that are (at the very least) boarderline insulting to vast swaths of this group and then running away is less annoying than lys's one liners?
No. They are far more annoying. Lys is so easy to ignore. Well at least for me.
Exactly. It is her lack of intellectual integrity that is trollish.
so AW's lather/rinse/repeat method of coming in, starting a convo, playing the victim, saying things that are (at the very least) boarderline insulting to vast swaths of this group and then running away is less annoying than lys's one liners?
No one is saying that. My argument for lys is that her troll behavior hinges on never actively participating on the boards.
AW participates. So the criteria for *her* being a troll is different.
Right. Because blocking on a message board solves problems.
When the thread derails because she dropped her bomb again, and then the people who did block her ask what happened, and then it gets into a larger mess because it has to be rehashed again... exactly how does blocking help solve the problem exactly?
Blocking is not the answer here.
ETA: I say this with love - I KNOW you people! Blocking will not work.
And plus also, blocking does no good on Tapatalk. It only works in a browser and only when the person you have blocked isn't quoted.
Post by penguingrrl on Dec 4, 2014 11:39:02 GMT -5
The other thing is that AW has grown and evolved over the years and is looking to learn. I don't disagree that she manages to insult a large swath of the board frequently, but she has used discussions on here to learn to think differently than her sheltered life taught her.
I'm thinking about the fact that she has gone from being strongly anti choice to agreeing that the government should stay out of it. While I would love to see further evolution, I do think that she does take time to think about what is said on here and to consider it.
Lys has never stopped with the post and run fox news bullshit and has never taken time to read replies or think about them, just finds a way to bash liberals every chance she gets then runs away.
The other thing is that AW has grown and evolved over the years and is looking to learn. I don't disagree that she manages to insult a large swath of the board frequently, but she has used discussions on here to learn to think differently than her sheltered life taught her.
I'm thinking about the fact that she has gone from being strongly anti choice to agreeing that the government should stay out of it. While I would love to see further evolution, I do think that she does take time to think about what is said on here and to consider it.
Lys has never stopped with the post and run fox news bullshit and has never taken time to read replies or think about them, just finds a way to bash liberals every chance she gets then runs away.
aside from her gay marriage stance she is the exact same person she's always been. she starts off "enlightened" but then spirals downward into shit-spewing, albeit in her christian-y way.
i'm not saying we have to ban AW. what i am saying is she's just as consistent in her assholery as lys. if we want to keep one around then we have to be willing to keep the other one as well.
Right. Because blocking on a message board solves problems.
When the thread derails because she dropped her bomb again, and then the people who did block her ask what happened, and then it gets into a larger mess because it has to be rehashed again... exactly how does blocking help solve the problem exactly?
Blocking is not the answer here.
ETA: I say this with love - I KNOW you people! Blocking will not work.
I have a frequent poster blocked. I manage just fine.
There's disagreement? How am I supposed to know what to think?
I'm as annoyed with Lys as the next person. She adds nothing to our discussions but I don't think banning her is a solution.
Just let the group think for you, obvs.
I agree with you on the banning issue. Honestly I think she gets off on the attention and how fired up her posts get us. If enough of us would block her or just flat out ignore her every time she posts, I think she'd go away.
Right. Because blocking on a message board solves problems.
When the thread derails because she dropped her bomb again, and then the people who did block her ask what happened, and then it gets into a larger mess because it has to be rehashed again... exactly how does blocking help solve the problem exactly?
Blocking is not the answer here.
ETA: I say this with love - I KNOW you people! Blocking will not work.
I have a frequent poster blocked. I manage just fine.
YOU, singular, have one person blocked. Whole board this will not work.
Lys is a Troll on CEP. Trolling is against the TOS.
Lys "promotes and glorifies racial intolerance" and "signifies hate towards any person or group of people" and is "generally offensive or in bad taste" Which is all against the TOS.
I don't see why this is a debate.
pixy0stix is it possible to escalate this to ProBoards itself as the 2nd is their own guidelines?
But it's not that lys posts opposing views, it's that she posts insane ones.
To clarify, here are some examples.
Opposing Views - Here is an article about why the ACA is not working. Let's discuss. - Hey, if you raise minimum wage, companies might instead rely more heavily on technology, and that's a consequence that should factor into the decision to raise it.
Insane Views - Black people don't vote. Now I am going to disappear and never return to the thread. - The Black Panthers are going to blow up the St. Louis arches (written in response to a thread about a flawed grand jury proceeding)
FWIW, I really don't care. I don't really think she's violating the terms of service, but that Black Panthers thing was so nucking futs that I can't be bothered to argue for her salvation here.
Oh I know her views are insane. They're like a joke. I just meant that if there were actual opposing views and others debating in a post (bringing a valid opposing viewpoint), she'd be less noticeable and easier to ignore. But a lot of times, she's the only one interjecting, and even though her views are insane, it gives people something to comment on.
I guess I see it this way..
OP: Debate topic Poster 1: general agreement Poster 2: general agreement. Lys: Insanity
But if it was like this, it would be less noticeable/annoying because you could still debate a topic with opposing viewpoint.
OP: Debate topic. Poster 1: valid opposing viewpoint Poster 2: general agreement Poster 3: other valid opposing viewpoint Poster 4: general agreement Lys: Insanity
Like if you're already having a conversation with give and take and opposing viewpoints, it's easier to roll your eyes and move on. But if no one with a valid opposing viewpoint is engaging, then it's like, the conversation either ends, or you can engage lys who doesn't engage back, talks in talking points and is generally frustrating.
I kind of see where you are coming from... without a lot of other opposing viewpoints being posted, when she posts her drivel and we pile on her... I could see from the outside, it could look like we are a bunch of "groupthinkers"...
Lys is a Troll on CEP. Trolling is against the TOS.
Lys "promotes and glorifies racial intolerance" and "signifies hate towards any person or group of people" and is "generally offensive or in bad taste" Which is all against the TOS.
I don't see why this is a debate.
pixy0stix is it possible to escalate this to ProBoards itself as the 2nd is their own guidelines?
It's possible. I think for a case to be made, though, it would have to be in conjunction with amoosed posting personal information and not being banned. In general, I agree with the reluctance to ban posters. HOWEVER, the complete insistence that we will not ban anyone despite what they do if they are "regular posters on other boards or have been regular posters" is ridiculous. That's just my 2 cents.
- Lys shouldn't be banned because of her views. She should be banned because she meets the definition of an Internet troll.
- She has been doing the same troll schtick for years and doesn't change because she enjoys being this persona here.
- Despite what the global mods say, THIS IS OUR BOARD. We have a RIGHT to dictate the nature of the board WE CREATED, CURATED, and CULTIVATED over the past 7 (seven!!) years.
- We have left one board host because they were dicks, and we can do it again if need be. I'm not saying we should all jump ship but I don't like feeling that I'm being pushed around by a small group of unelected global mods. We left the nest because they had ZERO respect for the community and friendships we had built and came here thinking things would be different. So far it is dramatically better but this iron fisty approach is nonsense.
- I do think we should vote on Lys. It will be symbolic only but I think the symbolism is needed to send a message both to Lys and the global mods.
Groupthink:
There is groupthink here. I've been in it and I've been out of it and you feel it when you are out of it. But I don't think this is a bad thing. Rather this is just the nature of long term group dynamics. Using it as a slur against the group is silly and inappropriate. Every other long term board here has shades of groupthink. It's natural and normal.
I have a frequent poster blocked. I manage just fine.
IS IT ME?!
If she doesn't respond , you have your answer!
ETA: reeve needs to get in the corner, because "lumpy, soggy fart" is possibly the grossest thing I've ever read on here, and I've read about Teh Ottehs.
I kind of see where you are coming from... without a lot of other opposing viewpoints being posted, when she posts her drivel and we pile on her... I could see from the outside, it could look like we are a bunch of "groupthinkers"...
y4m used to be a regular poster. She's not looking at us from the outside.
Right. Because blocking on a message board solves problems.
When the thread derails because she dropped her bomb again, and then the people who did block her ask what happened, and then it gets into a larger mess because it has to be rehashed again... exactly how does blocking help solve the problem exactly?
Blocking is not the answer here.
ETA: I say this with love - I KNOW you people! Blocking will not work.
And plus also, blocking does no good on Tapatalk. It only works in a browser and only when the person you have blocked isn't quoted.
Ahhh.. I didn't know that. I now take back my "oh just block her" mentality.
The other thing is that AW has grown and evolved over the years and is looking to learn. I don't disagree that she manages to insult a large swath of the board frequently, but she has used discussions on here to learn to think differently than her sheltered life taught her.
I'm thinking about the fact that she has gone from being strongly anti choice to agreeing that the government should stay out of it. While I would love to see further evolution, I do think that she does take time to think about what is said on here and to consider it.
Lys has never stopped with the post and run fox news bullshit and has never taken time to read replies or think about them, just finds a way to bash liberals every chance she gets then runs away.
aside from her gay marriage stance she is the exact same person she's always been. she starts off "enlightened" but then spirals downward into shit-spewing, albeit in her christian-y way.
i'm not saying we have to ban AW. what i am saying is she's just as consistent in her assholery as lys. if we want to keep one around then we have to be willing to keep the other one as well.
That's a fair point. I guess the difference time is that I feel like maybe we're cracking a closed mind very so slightly open with her where with lys we aren't at all. Lys seems to post just to incite a shots how where AW is more just brainwashed by extreme religion.
If you have someone blocked, the while point is to ignore them. If you can't do this, I agree that blocking is not for you. But that doesn't make the solution banning them because you can't actually handle blocking.
And Lauren, I could NEVER quit you. Or Nugget for that matter. Now stop guessing.
if the person you have blocked tags or likes your posts, do you see that?
Under the privacy tab in your profile, when you select a member to block, you can click the box next to the following actions:
Hide this member's posts. Do not let this member start new conversations with me. Do not let this member follow me or my activities. Block notifications from this member.
If you have someone blocked, the while point is to ignore them. If you can't do this, I agree that blocking is not for you. But that doesn't make the solution banning them because you can't actually handle blocking.
And Lauren, I could NEVER quit you. Or Nugget for that matter. Now stop guessing.
IF it were only a handful of people bothered by lys I would agree. However, the majority of the board has an issue with her to one degree or another.
Not to mention the fact that trolls should be banned. Lys is a troll.
- Lys shouldn't be banned because of her views. She should be banned because she meets the definition of an Internet troll.
- She has been doing the same troll schtick for years and doesn't change because she enjoys being this persona here.
- Despite what the global mods say, THIS IS OUR BOARD. We have a RIGHT to dictate the nature of the board WE CREATED, CURATED, and CULTIVATED over the past 7 (seven!!) years.
- We have left one board host because they were dicks, and we can do it again if need be. I'm not saying we should all jump ship but I don't like feeling that I'm being pushed around by a small group of unelected global mods. We left the nest because they had ZERO respect for the community and friendships we had built and came here thinking things would be different. So far it is dramatically better but this iron fisty approach is nonsense.
- I do think we should vote on Lys. It will be symbolic only but I think the symbolism is needed to send a message both to Lys and the global mods.
Groupthink:
There is groupthink here. I've been in it and I've been out of it and you feel it when you are out of it. But I don't think this is a bad thing. Rather this is just the nature of long term group dynamics. Using it as a slur against the group is silly and inappropriate. Every other long term board here has shades of groupthink. It's natural and normal.
All good points you've cited, but the global mods are not a part of this. Banning can only be done by the admins--the globs are not pushing anyone around.
IIRC the admins are the folks who created this particular forum and so they were not elected.
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