The very real reason has to do with the discrimination they still face today in Europe, and how they are hypersensitive as a result. That isn't something that would necessarily be intuitive to someone with no prior knowlege of that particular circumstance.
OMG SHUT UP YOU FUCKING TOOL.
Great, just great. You broke Toledo. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?!
Did you get an honorary black person certificate? I'm not sure if you got one. I know I gave one to Chichimi and Major. Major knows all about red kool-aid and stuff.
Do they transfer? Friends have given them to me in the past. Does that still apply to this board? Or maybe I got one in that white privilege thread. I don't remember.
You would remember. You would have been told that you were a credit to your race. Therefore, you will need to work for a new one. We don't hand out certificates to lazy, skittles eating white people.
That's not very compassionate of you Toledo but you wouldn't have necessarily known that if cas wouldnt have told you. So, I forgive you.
Well, cas still hasn't told me. And I'm doubting your credentials in this area, since you haven't demonstrated nearly the world infraction knowledge that she has.
You think ESF has never heard of the Holocaust? For realz?
No, no, no....she thinks that ESF is unaware that the stigma of the holocaust is still very real for Germans.
Of course - this TOTALLY makes it less weird to walk up to random jews and tell them how sorry you are that one of your great-great's might have put one of their great-greats in a concentration camp. (or maybe just greats? I dunno. I've got young grandparents it skews my view on generations)
All social awkwardness around a situation of this sort is totally negated if you know the very real backstory. *serious nods*
Well it doesn't sound like her friend was walking up to random Jews apologizing - but that she apologized when she realized a new acquaintance was Jewish. And yes, I do think it makes her reaction less weird (although still not appropriate in the US) when you think about where she was coming from.
And I stand behind my statement that the majority of Americans are unaware of not only the stigma, but also the hatred that is still cast toward Germans in Europe. I do not think that most people would expect a young English waitress to refuse to serve a table of young Germans because of their nationality.
That's not very compassionate of you Toledo but you wouldn't have necessarily known that if cas wouldnt have told you. So, I forgive you.
No it's not nice, but snarkiness aside clearly you know you that. If that's how you want to continue this conversation even though I long ago apologized for my choice of language, that's fine. I won't respond in kind - I'm already disappointed in myself for using that language earlier, and I won't do it again.
Post by basilosaurus on Aug 6, 2012 17:06:13 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with profanity! We sprinkle fucks around with reckless abandon. You apologizing for language is yet another example of how much you don't get it. But apparently, you can be deeply insulted at being called weird, one of the mildest forms of rebuke on this board.
That's not very compassionate of you Toledo but you wouldn't have necessarily known that if cas wouldnt have told you. So, I forgive you.
No it's not nice, but snarkiness aside clearly you know you that. If that's how you want to continue this conversation even though I long ago apologized for my choice of language, that's fine. I won't respond in kind - I'm already disappointed in myself for using that language earlier, and I won't do it again.
No you will just condescendingly tell us, over and over and over again, that if we simply knew more about how to be compassionate to others or more about sikh culture that we'd think your initial actions were totes not strange or awkward at all.
And keep in mind, I'm one of the people who didn't think you were out of line (in the OP). A little odd and potentially a lot awkward, but not offensive. Just sayin'
No it's not nice, but snarkiness aside clearly you know you that. If that's how you want to continue this conversation even though I long ago apologized for my choice of language, that's fine. I won't respond in kind - I'm already disappointed in myself for using that language earlier, and I won't do it again.
No you will just condescendingly tell us, over and over and over again, that if we simply knew more about how to be compassionate to others or more about sikh culture that we'd think your initial actions were totes not strange or awkward at all.
And keep in mind, I'm one of the people who didn't think you were out of line (in the OP). A little odd and potentially a lot awkward, but not offensive. Just sayin'
What got me riled up initially was being called "fucking weird", ignorant, and "so fucking weird it's borderline offensive". I didn't react to the initial "that's a little strange and not something I would do" comments.
And since many people seemingly didn't realize that Sikhs are easily identifiable and that they have suffered an enormous amount of hate because of mistakenly being associated with OBL, I did feel the need to educate on those points.
I also didn't tell anyone that they needed to be more compassionate to others, or that everyone should do what I did.
You are a regular on this board. The reaction(s) of some posters, as you quoted, are pretty standard language, especially from them. You know this. Let.it.go.
That really is the main driving point I'm taking away from this. DH and I could potentially get divorced over this, after we fight about his hatred of tomatoes.
ok, seriously. you're just trolling now, right? between this and the white dude comment - I refuse to believe that you're for real.
No, I'm not trolling. This is a very real thing.
His cousins even talked about how the last World Cup was the first time Germans really even felt comfortable flying the German flag, because they have always been afraid that showing pride in the flag would be misinterpreted. And if you go around Germany, you rarely see the German flag flying still - it's mainly the flag of the province.
Only the government is officially allowed to fly the flag. You noticed at the olympics how they have a variant with the coat of arms in the middle of the German flag? They can use that one at international events.
I can't remember what event I was watching, but it made me think the Germans are becoming more comfortable with nationalism. I was in Germany for Euro cup 4 years ago and it was kind of starting around that time.
Well, Germans are quite sensitive to this history because they face a lot of discriminate in Europe even today because of the Holocaust. DH has German relatives who are in their 20's and have experienced hateful comments from other Europeans when they have traveled. So it's weird in the US context, but definitely has a more normal basis in the European context.
Huh? He should go to Japan. My husband was congratulated on his German heritage by some guy there. True story.
ETA: Oh. Wait. I thought she was finally coming off the crazy train. Now I see she's still being deadly serious. Well, then.
No, no, no....she thinks that ESF is unaware that the stigma of the holocaust is still very real for Germans.
Of course - this TOTALLY makes it less weird to walk up to random jews and tell them how sorry you are that one of your great-great's might have put one of their great-greats in a concentration camp. (or maybe just greats? I dunno. I've got young grandparents it skews my view on generations)
All social awkwardness around a situation of this sort is totally negated if you know the very real backstory. *serious nods*
Well it doesn't sound like her friend was walking up to random Jews apologizing - but that she apologized when she realized a new acquaintance was Jewish. And yes, I do think it makes her reaction less weird (although still not appropriate in the US) when you think about where she was coming from.
And I stand behind my statement that the majority of Americans are unaware of not only the stigma, but also the hatred that is still cast toward Germans in Europe. I do not think that most people would expect a young English waitress to refuse to serve a table of young Germans because of their nationality.
Actually this was in Canada and the Jewish people she was apologizing to were Canadian. So your argument here doesn't make sense and is insensitive in its American-centric point of view. You can add that to your list of things to feel guilty about. LOL.
I stand behind my statement that the majority of Americans are unaware of not only the stigma, but also the hatred that is still cast toward Germans in Europe.
Are you calling CEP "average"? Because I think those are fighting words on this board ;-)
Actually this was in Canada and the Jewish people she was apologizing to were Canadian. So your argument here doesn't make sense and is insensitive in its American-centric point of view. You can add that to your list of things to feel guilty about. LOL.
Post by basilosaurus on Aug 6, 2012 17:33:26 GMT -5
A Japanese man, in halting English (our language classes joined for a day, so they were practicing English, we just listened), told me his first memory was seeing the bomb in Hiroshima. He lived on a farm outside of town. Our Japanese class was 100% people living in that town for something related to the military. Should I have apologized? I did at least feel really awkward.
My great-grandfather worked for Eli Lilly. Sorry about the thimerosal, guys. I feel indirectly responsible for all the vaccine INGREDIENTS posts on the bump.
Well it doesn't sound like her friend was walking up to random Jews apologizing - but that she apologized when she realized a new acquaintance was Jewish. And yes, I do think it makes her reaction less weird (although still not appropriate in the US) when you think about where she was coming from.
And I stand behind my statement that the majority of Americans are unaware of not only the stigma, but also the hatred that is still cast toward Germans in Europe. I do not think that most people would expect a young English waitress to refuse to serve a table of young Germans because of their nationality.
Actually this was in Canada and the Jewish people she was apologizing to were Canadian. So your argument here doesn't make sense and is insensitive in its American-centric point of view. You can add that to your list of things to feel guilty about. LOL.
I am not sure how it still doesn't apply unless your German friend was from Canada as well? She was still coming with the same experiences.
You are a regular on this board. The reaction(s) of some posters, as you quoted, are pretty standard language, especially from them. You know this. Let.it.go.
It may be standard, but that doesn't mean it should be blindly accepted.
Actually this was in Canada and the Jewish people she was apologizing to were Canadian. So your argument here doesn't make sense and is insensitive in its American-centric point of view. You can add that to your list of things to feel guilty about. LOL.
I am not sure how it still doesn't apply unless your German friend was from Canada as well? She was still coming with the same experiences.
And as I already said, I don't feel guilty.
So you are also an expert of the Canadian people's familiarity with German guilt?
You didn't like it when you thought I implied you are ignorant (which wasn't my intention). Yet, you have stated repeatedly that you assumed the rest of the board is ignorant on multiple issues and needed to be educated by you.
You are a regular on this board. The reaction(s) of some posters, as you quoted, are pretty standard language, especially from them. You know this. Let.it.go.
It may be standard, but that doesn't mean it should be blindly accepted.
You didn't like it when you thought I implied you are ignorant (which wasn't my intention). Yet, you have stated repeatedly that you assumed the rest of the board is ignorant on multiple issues and needed to be educated by you.
You see the irony, right?
Yes I definitely can see the irony. Great point. I do think that multiple posters have clearly shown their ignorance throughout this novel however, just as they feel the same about me.