Wait, the baby didn't share with the tween boy yet? Now I am so confused on the room sharing post.
Yeah, that's pretty much what she said, that the master was bigger yes, but her husband's office was in there and that's why she couldn't switch with the girls. And you don't know her lyfe because her son is really excited about having his sister in there with him and keeps begging but they wont' do it yet.
And that's when I voted her off the island because alladat would have garnered her a nearly completely different reaction.
Well in all a fairness I didn't expect my response to that thread to be the one I would become known for. I really should have been more forthcoming about my other political beliefs then. That would definitely have been more interesting then room sharing.
It seems to be a go-to for people when they don't want to actually offer explanation for an opinion. "Well, you guys hate conservatives anyway, so I'm just not going to bother."
Translation: "I know that I wouldn't be able to support my opinion if I engaged in actual debate."
I can support my opinion just fine. However, I choose my battles.
Because I am the flavor of the week to jump on. I knew saying I wouldn't vote for HRC would get me accused of being prejudiced against women, etc. I have lurked long enough to know how it works. I think a gut feeling about someone is a great place to start with anyone not just a politician.
I don't think that's it. Plenty of people have stated aversions to her. And I actually don't think a gut feeling is good enough here. Not for politics, not for vaccines, not for much of anything besides not walking down dark allies.
Really? You can't be turned off by something someone says or a face someone makes or the gavel like pounding on the table? I would have voted for her versus McCain. Not now.
Translation: "I know that I wouldn't be able to support my opinion if I engaged in actual debate."
I can support my opinion just fine. However, I choose my battles.
I want to say thanks for coming back first. I think I can speak for most if not everyone here that we welcome debate. I think that's why most of us are here. So, we would like to hear more about why you think Sec. Clinton's testimony turned you off so much. I can say that it is really hard for me to pull up testimony from other figures on the political stage right now and I think that is what we are asking for in response.
You ask for a yes or no but then everyone roasts the 1st person to dissent (ETA I see that the OP WAS the first dissenter, rest of my points still valid). If you want everyone to jump on your bandwagon, let's actually discuss instead of attacking the minutiae of her post. The title gives the impression there is a discussion possible instead if a one-sided pep rally for HRC.
My opinion, I don't love her and I think she's way too divisive if we want another D in the office. We need someone much closer to middle of the road to pull some of the independents and those Rs frustrated with the asinine antics of their party. HRC has too much democrat/liberal baggage. We just need someone that can keep the ship upright (healthcare, environment, marriage equality, etc) until the Republican Party fractures and the wing nuts pull away from the reasonable fiscally responsible roots many Rs preach about. Plus, media and public perception play a big role in the Presidential election for a lot of people, and I don't think she's very friendly on camera.
FYI I consider myself a mostly liberal independent, so I'm not likely to throw a vote to the Rs, but I'm not sold on HRC either.
You ask for a yes or no but then everyone roasts the 1st person to dissent (ETA I see that the OP WAS the first dissenter, rest of my points still valid). If you want everyone to jump on your bandwagon, let's actually discuss instead of attacking the minutiae of her post. The title gives the impression there is a discussion possible instead if a one-sided pep rally for HRC.
My opinion, I don't love her and I think she's way too divisive if we want another D in the office. We need someone much closer to middle of the road to pull some of the independents and those Rs frustrated with the asinine antics of their party. HRC has too much democrat/liberal baggage. We just need someone that can keep the ship upright (healthcare, environment, marriage equality, etc) until the Republican Party fractures and the wing nuts pull away from the reasonable fiscally responsible roots many Rs preach about. Plus, media and public perception play a big role in the Presidential election for a lot of people, and I don't think she's very friendly on camera.
FYI I consider myself a mostly liberal independent, so I'm not likely to throw a vote to the Rs, but I'm not sold on HRC either.
You ask for a yes or no but then everyone roasts the 1st person to dissent (ETA I see that the OP WAS the first dissenter, rest of my points still valid). If you want everyone to jump on your bandwagon, let's actually discuss instead of attacking the minutiae of her post. The title gives the impression there is a discussion possible instead if a one-sided pep rally for HRC.
My opinion, I don't love her and I think she's way too divisive if we want another D in the office. We need someone much closer to middle of the road to pull some of the independents and those Rs frustrated with the asinine antics of their party. HRC has too much democrat/liberal baggage. We just need someone that can keep the ship upright (healthcare, environment, marriage equality, etc) until the Republican Party fractures and the wing nuts pull away from the reasonable fiscally responsible roots many Rs preach about. Plus, media and public perception play a big role in the Presidential election for a lot of people, and I don't think she's very friendly on camera.
FYI I consider myself a mostly liberal independent, so I'm not likely to throw a vote to the Rs, but I'm not sold on HRC either.
The first poster was "roasted" because people were completely appalled at her "reason" that she does not like HRC (didn't leave her husband (). I don't agree with you that she is more or less divisive than anyone one else. Michael Schiavo may have a few thoughts about the divisiveness and flatout inhumanity of Jeb Bush for instance. But you offer a valid point and thank you for joining the discussion.
You ask for a yes or no but then everyone roasts the 1st person to dissent (ETA I see that the OP WAS the first dissenter, rest of my points still valid). If you want everyone to jump on your bandwagon, let's actually discuss instead of attacking the minutiae of her post. The title gives the impression there is a discussion possible instead if a one-sided pep rally for HRC.
My opinion, I don't love her and I think she's way too divisive if we want another D in the office. We need someone much closer to middle of the road to pull some of the independents and those Rs frustrated with the asinine antics of their party. HRC has too much democrat/liberal baggage. We just need someone that can keep the ship upright (healthcare, environment, marriage equality, etc) until the Republican Party fractures and the wing nuts pull away from the reasonable fiscally responsible roots many Rs preach about. Plus, media and public perception play a big role in the Presidential election for a lot of people, and I don't think she's very friendly on camera.
FYI I consider myself a mostly liberal independent, so I'm not likely to throw a vote to the Rs, but I'm not sold on HRC either.
I have to remind myself sometimes that I might have a slightly skewed view on HRC. The perception of her as unfriendly is just so weird to me. I'm not bashing you for it, but it's right up there with that damn dress picture being supposedly blue and black. I just don't understand how that's what you see, when I see something TOTALLY different.
I also see her as pretty middle of the road, she's hawkish on military while being fairly pragmatic style liberal on everything else - she's no Bernie Sanders that's for sure. She also has a good track record for reaching across the aisle...at least in my head?
I dunno. People say things like this and I'm left wondering if I'm the crazy one.
I am curious if you have any examples of what you mean as a true middle of the road democrat - so I can wrap my head around this a little better.
You ask for a yes or no but then everyone roasts the 1st person to dissent (ETA I see that the OP WAS the first dissenter, rest of my points still valid). If you want everyone to jump on your bandwagon, let's actually discuss instead of attacking the minutiae of her post. The title gives the impression there is a discussion possible instead if a one-sided pep rally for HRC.
My opinion, I don't love her and I think she's way too divisive if we want another D in the office. We need someone much closer to middle of the road to pull some of the independents and those Rs frustrated with the asinine antics of their party. HRC has too much democrat/liberal baggage. We just need someone that can keep the ship upright (healthcare, environment, marriage equality, etc) until the Republican Party fractures and the wing nuts pull away from the reasonable fiscally responsible roots many Rs preach about. Plus, media and public perception play a big role in the Presidential election for a lot of people, and I don't think she's very friendly on camera.
FYI I consider myself a mostly liberal independent, so I'm not likely to throw a vote to the Rs, but I'm not sold on HRC either.
"Too divisive" is not a thing. Every politician is divisive when given the opportunity. Case in point: "Too divisive" is how people explained voting for Obama over her, and we've still got a Mt Everest-size pile of feces thrown by Fox News viewers. I have more to say, but I will drop it.
With that out of the way.... With respect to the rest of your points, the biggest criticism I hear of HRC (not just here, but everywhere I go) is that she's too moderate generally and way too much of a hawk on foreign policy specifically, so it's interesting to me that there is a perception among some that she's too liberal.
And on this:
We just need someone that can keep the ship upright (healthcare, environment, marriage equality, etc) until the Republican Party fractures and the wing nuts pull away from the reasonable fiscally responsible roots many Rs preach about.
If you ask me, the reason HRC is so popular, IMO, is because she is that person. From what I've seen, her support is not coming from the progressive base, but from the more centrist wing. I've gotten the sense that she's popular among those that have left the GOP and independents don't see the GOP as a serious party.
Sorry I wasn't clear on my position. I have apparently become the "butt of the joke" around here. I do appreciate the political talk and really have learned a lot about how "the other side" thinks.
Perhaps I will take a few days. I know I am done with being picked on by MMM but at least you all are civil and give a person a chance. I think the "group think" label may be better given to that board.
Sorry to hear you feel like the "butt of the joke" flgirl, here or MMM or wherever. We tend to make jokes a lot on this board (even while asking people to cite their sources, lol) but no one really means anything by it. Doesn't mean it can't or won't get personal at times, it has and no doubt will again in the future but if you stick around for the discussion you'll see we aren't complete hosebeasts.
My advice to any new(ish) poster, be prepared to back up your statements, no matter how innocuous. Things tend to be picked apart ad nauseam but that in turn makes each of us more knowledgeable. I've learned so much from these amazing women, it's impossible to quit them.
I'm a moderate who leans conservative on many issues, and I see HRC as a viable option for me to vote for. I'm not sure I will vote for her, it would depend on a few things, but I'm not like "no fucking way."
Which says to me that she's moderate enough to appeal to people tired of the R's shit.
Sorry to hear you feel like the "butt of the joke" flgirl, here or MMM or wherever. We tend to make jokes a lot on this board (even while asking people to cite their sources, lol) but no one really means anything by it. Doesn't mean it can't or won't get personal at times, it has and no doubt will again in the future but if you stick around for the discussion you'll see we aren't complete hosebeasts.
My advice to any new(ish) poster, be prepared to back up your statements, no matter how innocuous. Things tend to be picked apart ad nauseam but that in turn makes each of us more knowledgeable. I've learned so much from these amazing women, it's impossible to quit them.
Sorry to hear you feel like the "butt of the joke" flgirl, here or MMM or wherever. We tend to make jokes a lot on this board (even while asking people to cite their sources, lol) but no one really means anything by it. Doesn't mean it can't or won't get personal at times, it has and no doubt will again in the future but if you stick around for the discussion you'll see we aren't complete hosebeasts.
My advice to any new(ish) poster, be prepared to back up your statements, no matter how innocuous. Things tend to be picked apart ad nauseam but that in turn makes each of us more knowledgeable. I've learned so much from these amazing women, it's impossible to quit them.
You all have been understandably critical about my ambiguous answer. I can take that criticism and try to be more concise. You could go over to MMM and look at the thread about MDO. Everything I have ever said is being joked about. Truly distasteful. Of course, if the things I have said about my parenting have gotten them that riled up, perhaps I have hit a nerve on a sensitivity about their own parenting...something to ponder during my next motn nursing session.
Sorry to hear you feel like the "butt of the joke" flgirl, here or MMM or wherever. We tend to make jokes a lot on this board (even while asking people to cite their sources, lol) but no one really means anything by it. Doesn't mean it can't or won't get personal at times, it has and no doubt will again in the future but if you stick around for the discussion you'll see we aren't complete hosebeasts.
My advice to any new(ish) poster, be prepared to back up your statements, no matter how innocuous. Things tend to be picked apart ad nauseam but that in turn makes each of us more knowledgeable. I've learned so much from these amazing women, it's impossible to quit them.
Sorry to hear you feel like the "butt of the joke" flgirl, here or MMM or wherever. We tend to make jokes a lot on this board (even while asking people to cite their sources, lol) but no one really means anything by it. Doesn't mean it can't or won't get personal at times, it has and no doubt will again in the future but if you stick around for the discussion you'll see we aren't complete hosebeasts.
My advice to any new(ish) poster, be prepared to back up your statements, no matter how innocuous. Things tend to be picked apart ad nauseam but that in turn makes each of us more knowledgeable. I've learned so much from these amazing women, it's impossible to quit them.
You all have been understandably critical about my ambiguous answer. I can take that criticism and try to be more concise. You could go over to MMM and look at the thread about MDO. Everything I have ever said is being joked about. Truly distasteful. Of course, if the things I have said about my parenting have gotten them that riled up, perhaps I have hit a nerve on a sensitivity about their own parenting...something to ponder during my next motn nursing session.
"Of course, if the things I have said about my parenting have gotten them that riled up, perhaps I have hit a nerve on a sensitivity about their own parenting.."
No, I don't think you've hit a nerve in how anyone else parents. I think the fact that you think that is what happened is an issue though
I will admit that when I was younger and more idealistic, it bothered me on some level that she stayed with him, because it seemed like it was a politically expedient trade off for her own career. It bothered me that that was how a woman was going to get a path to POTUS instead of rising on her own merits and not having to smile and stand by a cheating jerk.
But years later, I'm no longer idealistic at all about politics and time has shown - IMO - that their relationship isn't a politically expedient trade off. Not to mention, it's really none of my business if it is, and no politician is ever not going to have these kinds of things in their history. They all make choices and mistakes - some are worse than others and most of them are high on the assclown scale. I'm also more realistic about the challenges that face a woman making it to the highest office, so I'm kind of at the point where I don't really care who it is and how they got there as long as they can do the job (capable and qualified) since that would hopefully break down the barrier.
And at the end of the day, I think HRC can do the job, and that's really all that matters to me at this point. Hell I don't even care anymore if I agree with anything the candidate says because if I agree with like 50% and they seem like they are qualified and capable, that seems like enough anymore. That's how jaded I am about politicians and politics in general at this point, but also stems from the fact that neither party really meets my political needs.
It always bothered me that he cheated on her. Disappointed me greatly because I admired him.
It never really bothered me that she forgave him. One, because, none of my business, but two because (unlike cheating) the ability to forgive is admirable.
I always think it's weird that some people judge Hilary in light of Bill's sin.
i really was asking for a friend. I talk to the barista when she is working, well as much as someone who isn't very extraverted can.
I know. I was just referring to how the board does this to regulars too (and you guys have taken it as a good sport even though I am sure you're tired of hearing about it).
Post by Velar Fricative on Mar 1, 2015 9:39:28 GMT -5
I know we always say moderates are the way to go but...moderates don't get elected. Kerry, McCain, Romney. Like it or not, American voters are fairly partisan.
I know we always say moderates are the way to go but...moderates don't get elected. Kerry, McCain, Romney. Like it or not, American voters are fairly partisan.
You will never convince me that Romney was a moderate by 2012. McCain might have been/might be one, but he was overshadowed by the Christian Right with his runningmate, so I don't think he had a chance if staying moderate.
Sorry to hear you feel like the "butt of the joke" flgirl, here or MMM or wherever. We tend to make jokes a lot on this board (even while asking people to cite their sources, lol) but no one really means anything by it. Doesn't mean it can't or won't get personal at times, it has and no doubt will again in the future but if you stick around for the discussion you'll see we aren't complete hosebeasts.
My advice to any new(ish) poster, be prepared to back up your statements, no matter how innocuous. Things tend to be picked apart ad nauseam but that in turn makes each of us more knowledgeable. I've learned so much from these amazing women, it's impossible to quit them.
You all have been understandably critical about my ambiguous answer. I can take that criticism and try to be more concise. You could go over to MMM and look at the thread about MDO. Everything I have ever said is being joked about. Truly distasteful. Of course, if the things I have said about my parenting have gotten them that riled up, perhaps I have hit a nerve on a sensitivity about their own parenting...something to ponder during my next motn nursing session.
I don't even know what MDO is, and I don't think I'm going to go to MMM to find out.
Finally getting back to more thoughts on my answer. I don't have sources or anything else, but here goes.
I think part of why I don't see Rs and some independents voting for her is because she's part of the D "establishment" at the national level. She's been in national politics for a really long time, so there is some fatigue there. Unlike Obama, who kind of emerged from the state level she's been "hanging around" in some capacity at high levels for a long time. That's given a lot more people a lot more time to form opinions on her character, personality and policies. She comes across as not very personable.
And it's important to remember that most people aren't as well-versed and educated in policy as you all are, and tend to vote for the most likeable candidate. If she does run, her campaign better be flawless in promoting her accomplishments and making her seem more personable. Sad but true.
You all have been understandably critical about my ambiguous answer. I can take that criticism and try to be more concise. You could go over to MMM and look at the thread about MDO. Everything I have ever said is being joked about. Truly distasteful. Of course, if the things I have said about my parenting have gotten them that riled up, perhaps I have hit a nerve on a sensitivity about their own parenting...something to ponder during my next motn nursing session.
I don't even know what MDO is, and I don't think I'm going to go to MMM to find out.
I think it is mother's day out. And flgirl i don't think people were being overly critical of you on that post. I think people probably bristled at statements about liking being home with your kids because folks might take it like you are saying unless someone stays home or keeps all the kids in the house they must not like them.
Anyway there are plenty of people that folks disagree with on mmm and sometimes on CEP. Defending yourself is typically the best course of action if you care about people respecting you
I really liked running for the Republican nomination in 2000 McCain. Losing to Bush seemed to make him much more willing to pander to perceived powerful groups. He's disappointed me in a variety of ways ever since.
You will never convince me that Romney was a moderate by 2012. McCain might have been/might be one, but he was overshadowed by the Christian Right with his runningmate, so I don't think he had a chance if staying moderate.
I love Senator McCain. Candidate for President McCain is a disappointing panderer to the right. He broke my heart in 2008. I was a huge OBAMA supporter, but for a while, I felt like both parties nominated a sane, quality candidate. And then he pandered to the far right on social issues, plus you know, Governor Palin, and he broke my heart.
I see your phone has also taken to all caps-ing OBAMA. I think Apple is clearly in the bag for him.