jfh This is a really difficult topic. I only faced it once C1 was in preschool and they would have snacks with meat and her snack would be meatless. She kind of asked me in a sad way why all the other kids had the same snack and she didn't. I, much like you, said that we don't eat meat because we love animals as our friends and so we would rather not eat them. Some people love animals and choose to eat them, but we don't. Whenever she brought it up (infrequently) I just stuck with that.
I can say for certain now, she does not judge her friends/family that do eat meat at all. She'll say "yeah A brought a lunchable with meat in it, maybe I can get one sometime with no meat? Because I'm a vegetarian and she isn't." She doesn't think negatively about people that eat meat. We just tell her it's their family's choice to eat it, and ours not to.
I don't think this is something that, if you aren't a vegetarian and don't feel really strongly about that choice, you can easily relate to or understand from this side of the meat/no meat conversation.
I wasn't trying to relate to this as the vegetarian, rather as the child who'd be labled as an animal hater. Please process that.
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Post by rainbowchip on Feb 27, 2015 12:42:10 GMT -5
I judge myself for eating meat. It is just pure laziness that I do because I don't particularly like meat anyway but it's easier for me because it's what I know.
I judge myself for eating meat. It is just pure laziness that I do because I don't particularly like meat anyway but it's easier for me because it's what I know.
Mmmmmm .... Meat.
Without DH, I'd probably be a vegetarian. But he loves meat and does the cooking. But he does make a lot of meatless things, too.
I'm just pointing out that it's a different mindset either way. That statement seemed to insinuate only dogs and cats are cared for. I felt the need to clarify that most omnivores are grateful for the life of the animal's life that they are eating and do have compassion for it's life.
I don't know about "most" - I think a lot of people are really disconnected from the food source and don't always even think about it as an animal that was once alive
Maybe, but regardless that's their choice? What one eats is their choice. I don't want kids feeling bad about their food choices or the food given to them. It weirds me out. I might have to explain one day that certain cultures eat dogs because of xyz reason. I don't want E and L judging those choices, but just seeing it as something different people do.
I keep going back to popular names for this boy. I want some different but can't find anything I love. I love Henry (DHs grandpas middle name) and Jack (nn for John my dads name). But they are both in the top 50.
Random related question, is it common for Jackson's go by just Jack?
I love both! My SIL is naming her baby Henry and I think it's far more popular than Jack, which I love but couldn't use since my H is Jacob/Jake.
I think Jacksons usually just to by their full name but Jack would be an appropriate nn.
I keep going back to popular names for this boy. I want some different but can't find anything I love. I love Henry (DHs grandpas middle name) and Jack (nn for John my dads name). But they are both in the top 50.
Random related question, is it common for Jackson's go by just Jack?
I love both! My SIL is naming her baby Henry and I think it's far more popular than Jack, which I love but couldn't use since my H is Jacob/Jake.
I think Jacksons usually just to by their full name but Jack would be an appropriate nn.
I wonder if I can look up somewhere which is more popular in Colorado?
The Jack nn worries me because there are so many Jacksons if they and Jacks all went by Jack there would be a million!
I don't even like co-sleeping with my husband, much less a pack of wiggly, hot, squirmy kids. My preferred sleeping situation would be a room all by myself with completely sound proofed walls.
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Natalie thought her brother's penis was a piece of poop for a long time. I tried to correct her, but she would run off in horror.
This made me laugh!
The first time my two bathed together, mila said "uh oh mommy! Carson is pooping!" I told her that he wasn't and that wasn't poop. I was ready to answer more questions but she just said oh ok.
@lindy since you had mentioned liking the name Calvin, some other names I had on the list for him were Grant, Hudson, Everett, Elliot, Oliver, Bennett.
My college boyfriend lived next to and helped on an alpaca farm. I got to spend a lot of time with them. They are adorable! (When they aren't spitting!)
DH is/was a vegetarian and I am not. He did it for health a long time ago, and his ex did it for animal reasons. (Though we won't go into the BS about that- leather sofa?). They raised their daughter vegetarian, but she quickly caved to the pressures of McDonalds chicken nuggets. DH wanted to raise J vegetarian, but I did not, mainly because we do not eat enough protein in our house. Except for school, he eats vegetarian, and hasn't shown a preference either way. I'm proud of you jfh for sticking with your beliefs.
My sister told me her 4yr daughter old saw her changing her shirt, and she didn't have a bra on. She said 'Mommy, are you going to put those things up?' Talk about a confidence booster.
She said her kids were also discussing boobs in the car. 4yr old boy - 'Do boys have boobs?' 7yr old boy - 'No boys don't have boobs' Her - yes they do. They are just different. 7yr old boy - 'Yeah - boys boobs are short and chubby like daddy's, and girl boobs are long and thin'
My college boyfriend lived next to and helped on an alpaca farm. I got to spend a lot of time with them. They are adorable! (When they aren't spitting!)
Ohhhhh! Duh. I bet they are just like llamas that way!
I used to feel bad about eating chicken, then going and petting our chickens 3 mins later. Luckily they haven't caught on and have no clue. I would never be able to kill one of ours. If I had to kill what I ate I would become a vegetarian too.
I love both! My SIL is naming her baby Henry and I think it's far more popular than Jack, which I love but couldn't use since my H is Jacob/Jake.
I think Jacksons usually just to by their full name but Jack would be an appropriate nn.
I wonder if I can look up somewhere which is more popular in Colorado?
The Jack nn worries me because there are so many Jacksons if they and Jacks all went by Jack there would be a million!
Social security shows online popularity by birth year and state. There are a million Jacksons in Ks but I don't think here. It won't show the NN though.
Ok, just to reiterate, this is a direct C&P from my first post: "I don't want him to judge his little friends for eating meat, but I do want him to know explicitly why we don't."
I just had to check that that's what I had actually posted, lol. I was starting to wonder if I had just said it in my head.
Post by creamsiclechica on Feb 27, 2015 14:15:59 GMT -5
My weigh in is this: jfh did not say that they as a family condemn those eating meat, nor did she expressly equate those who do with not loving animals or loving them less. I think it's important to note here that this was the initial conversation about a very complex issue. This will also be an ongoing conversation as Kai/Taj develop rationality and the ability to draw conclusions about the differences between them and their peers. The idea that saying we love something and others who practice the opposite thus hate is a much more advanced conclusion than where our kids are now. Given jfh's philosophy on gentleness, acceptance of others, and committment to explanation of actions, I think it's safe to say this vegetarian conversation will evolve to include explanations of why other people choose what they choose for their lifestyle.
I think it's unfair to act like her explanation of their choice right now reflects poorly on others. She didn't tell him anything of that nature expressly, and our kids are in the very early stages of inference comprehension.
It's so hard to navigate explaining our convictions to our kids. I think it's safe to say though, most people here are VERY committed to celebrating and teaching acceptance about ALL kinds of diversity. This is no exception. Kai will come to know a kind understanding of why he doesn't eat meat and his friends do, and will love them the same. I'm very sure of that.
jfh This is a really difficult topic. I only faced it once C1 was in preschool and they would have snacks with meat and her snack would be meatless. She kind of asked me in a sad way why all the other kids had the same snack and she didn't. I, much like you, said that we don't eat meat because we love animals as our friends and so we would rather not eat them. Some people love animals and choose to eat them, but we don't. Whenever she brought it up (infrequently) I just stuck with that.
I can say for certain now, she does not judge her friends/family that do eat meat at all. She'll say "yeah A brought a lunchable with meat in it, maybe I can get one sometime with no meat? Because I'm a vegetarian and she isn't." She doesn't think negatively about people that eat meat. We just tell her it's their family's choice to eat it, and ours not to.
I don't think this is something that, if you aren't a vegetarian and don't feel really strongly about that choice, you can easily relate to or understand from this side of the meat/no meat conversation.
Yeah, C1 told H she doesn't eat chicken, lol. No love was lost.
Post by charlielove on Feb 27, 2015 14:18:02 GMT -5
I believe both JFH and I have made it clear in our responses that we do not want our children judging others who do eat meat. I also don't believe there is anything for me to process, for that exact reason. I teach and talk to my children about not judging others. You condescendingly telling me to process something that I have in fact been working on with my child for the better part of four years is so ridiculous it's laughable. dixeedeluxe