Post by amynumbers on Mar 30, 2015 18:44:49 GMT -5
I kind of want KC to take it because then when people bitch about people with cell phone and nice nails using WIC I could be all "You don't know KC's lyfe!!!1!!1!1!!1!"
My biggest issue is karma and juju. Call me crazy, but that is why I wouldn't take it.
It is for everyone. Ensuring medically needy children have proper nutrition benefits all. That's why her son qualifies. Every year they estimate how many children are eligible and budget accordingly.
Do you think since I save for retirement I should "thanks but I don't need Social Security?"
I really think you bring up some good points that it should be budgeted for families of medically needy kids. Even if they make more than the $44k threshold for WIC some families are spending big bucks on therapies and medical equipment insurance doesn't cover/lost time from work/etc.
Honestly dds care is cheaper than her typically developing healthy sibling. Medicaid pays all her copays, medications, therapies. There is expanse of driving to appointments and therapies...but we can claim them on our taxes. Comparatively I've spent over $100 on doctors copays/OTC medication in 10 days for ds.
I get that morality shouldn't be involved, the money is budgeted regardless if I take it...but it still feels icky to take something we technically don't need currently.
This is it to me. It's just icky to take money you don't need.
Post by andrewsgal on Mar 30, 2015 18:48:28 GMT -5
There was a couple on a baby story years ago that had plenty of money but chose not to buy a car seat because the hospital will give her one. Icky too.
It is for everyone. Ensuring medically needy children have proper nutrition benefits all. That's why her son qualifies. Every year they estimate how many children are eligible and budget accordingly.
Do you think since I save for retirement I should "thanks but I don't need Social Security?"
I really think you bring up some good points that it should be budgeted for families of medically needy kids. Even if they make more than the $44k threshold for WIC some families are spending big bucks on therapies and medical equipment insurance doesn't cover/lost time from work/etc.
Honestly dds care is cheaper than her typically developing healthy sibling. Medicaid pays all her copays, medications, therapies. There is expanse of driving to appointments and therapies...but we can claim them on our taxes. Comparatively I've spent over $100 on doctors copays/OTC medication in 10 days for ds.
I get that morality shouldn't be involved, the money is budgeted regardless if I take it...but it still feels icky to take something we technically don't need currently.
It's important to note that the program is there obviously to help families afford food but also because it's been proven that spending the money on food for children today saves money on healthcare costs later (over $3 saved for every $1 spent according to some research). To put the onus of eligible families to decide whether they "deserve it enough" is such a slippery slope. It's a decision best left to policymakers.
I really think you bring up some good points that it should be budgeted for families of medically needy kids. Even if they make more than the $44k threshold for WIC some families are spending big bucks on therapies and medical equipment insurance doesn't cover/lost time from work/etc.
Honestly dds care is cheaper than her typically developing healthy sibling. Medicaid pays all her copays, medications, therapies. There is expanse of driving to appointments and therapies...but we can claim them on our taxes. Comparatively I've spent over $100 on doctors copays/OTC medication in 10 days for ds.
I get that morality shouldn't be involved, the money is budgeted regardless if I take it...but it still feels icky to take something we technically don't need currently.
It's important to note that the program is there obviously to help families afford food but also because it's been proven that spending the money on food for children today saves money on healthcare costs later (over $3 saved for every $1 spent according to some research). To put the onus of eligible families to decide whether they "deserve it enough" is such a slippery slope. It's a decision best left to policymakers.
You're preaching to the choir here. I think it's much smarter to spend a little money now to save money later. I think it's fucking insane that with all we know about early intervention for asd that insurance companies deny because they are going to pay for it later...but I digress.
I agree that providing families of medically fragile kids both education and financial support to get healthy food is smart. The thing is speaking for me personally I don't need the education nor the financial support to provide healthy food to my kids. My dh thinks like you in the sense that the money had been budgeted, why not take advantage of it...but I don't feel like I'm the kind of person they created these programs to help and just because we qualify doesn't mean we should just automatically take it.
If your dd was not on medicaid would you still qualify for WIC, on income alone?
(I am, mostly, Just curious)
No. We make $30k more than the maximum income for WIC.
This is one of the major point to me. If you would normally qualify then I say go for it but you made it clear in your OP and we "know" you well enough to know you wouldn't.
I am all about early intervention, social programs and hell I will throw universal preK in too. I just think if you don't need it why use it?
I really think you bring up some good points that it should be budgeted for families of medically needy kids. Even if they make more than the $44k threshold for WIC some families are spending big bucks on therapies and medical equipment insurance doesn't cover/lost time from work/etc.
Honestly dds care is cheaper than her typically developing healthy sibling. Medicaid pays all her copays, medications, therapies. There is expanse of driving to appointments and therapies...but we can claim them on our taxes. Comparatively I've spent over $100 on doctors copays/OTC medication in 10 days for ds.
I get that morality shouldn't be involved, the money is budgeted regardless if I take it...but it still feels icky to take something we technically don't need currently.
It's important to note that the program is there obviously to help families afford food but also because it's been proven that spending the money on food for children today saves money on healthcare costs later (over $3 saved for every $1 spent according to some research). To put the onus of eligible families to decide whether they "deserve it enough" is such a slippery slope. It's a decision best left to policymakers.
Yes I would agree if she qualified based on income but she doesn't. I am sorry I should have clarified that point to begin with.
I kind of want KC to take it because then when people bitch about people with cell phone and nice nails using WIC I could be all "You don't know KC's lyfe!!!1!!1!1!!1!"
My biggest issue is karma and juju. Call me crazy, but that is why I wouldn't take it.
I can't remember if I shared here but when we first got dd on Medicaid I was giving the insurance card to the secretary to update and some woman was glaring at me. I was like the total stereotype of the woman with the coach bag and manicure (except I'm a michael kors fan). It was hilarious and I was totally reminded of the dump.
It's important to note that the program is there obviously to help families afford food but also because it's been proven that spending the money on food for children today saves money on healthcare costs later (over $3 saved for every $1 spent according to some research). To put the onus of eligible families to decide whether they "deserve it enough" is such a slippery slope. It's a decision best left to policymakers.
Yes I would agree if she qualified based on income but she doesn't. I am sorry I should have clarified that point to begin with.
Ok. She doesn't qualify for Medicaid based on income either, so should she not receive that?
Yes I would agree if she qualified based on income but she doesn't. I am sorry I should have clarified that point to begin with.
Ok. She doesn't qualify for Medicaid based on income either, so should she not receive that?
Well let's see she specifically said that it was the only way to access private therapies. WIC is not the only way to feed her child seriously your logic gets worse and worse. It's getting to be almost comical yet sad at the same time. Busses, food, keep going it's keeping me entertained.
Ok. She doesn't qualify for Medicaid based on income either, so should she not receive that?
Well let's see she specifically said that it was the only way to access private therapies. WIC is not the only way to feed her child seriously your logic gets worse and worse. It's getting to be almost comical yet sad at the same time. Busses, food, keep going it's keeping me entertained.
I assure your there are therapists out there that accept money for their services.
Well let's see she specifically said that it was the only way to access private therapies. WIC is not the only way to feed her child seriously your logic gets worse and worse. It's getting to be almost comical yet sad at the same time. Busses, food, keep going it's keeping me entertained.
I assure your there are therapists out there that accept money for their services.
Of course there are I happen to be one, but things are obviously different in her state. Unless you live in RI, or are calling her a liar?
Post by andrewsgal on Mar 30, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -5
There is a community closet here. Anyone can go and get clothes for free there is no income requirements. I technically "qualify" but have no problem buying my kids clothes so wouldn't do it. Isn't this the same thing?
I wouldn't take it because of the karma factor probably BUT there is something to be said for the argument that if you qualify for it then you're entitled to it. I mean... policymakers and lawmakers and/or the folks tasked with fleshing out the laws on the agency level had to have imagined this scenario when they made the rules. The rules are the rules. I also worked in public benefits for awhile and there were lots of people who qualified for food stamps that didn't seem like the typical food stamp recipient and my take was that if you qualify, you're entitled to it and there should be no shame in taking it.
ETA: I'd even consider taking it and donating the stuff to a good shelter or something.
Well let's see she specifically said that it was the only way to access private therapies. WIC is not the only way to feed her child seriously your logic gets worse and worse. It's getting to be almost comical yet sad at the same time. Busses, food, keep going it's keeping me entertained.
I assure your there are therapists out there that accept money for their services.
Those therapists also charge $150/hr. Even if we cut back to just a single session a week...that's $15k oop a year.
On the same token I'd think it would be kind of crappy if a family had a 7 figure annual salary went on Medicaid to access free therapies when they can afford to pay oop for private therapists.
I assure your there are therapists out there that accept money for their services.
Those therapists also charge $150/hr. Even if we cut back to just a single session a week...that's $15k oop a year.
On the same token I'd think it would be kind of crappy if a family had a 7 figure annual salary went on Medicaid to access free therapies when they can afford to pay oop for private therapists.
I know here you can qualify for Medicaid based on disability alone. I am assuming you are the same? I agree with you.
Those therapists also charge $150/hr. Even if we cut back to just a single session a week...that's $15k oop a year.
On the same token I'd think it would be kind of crappy if a family had a 7 figure annual salary went on Medicaid to access free therapies when they can afford to pay oop for private therapists.
I know here you can qualify for Medicaid based on disability alone. I am assuming you are the same? I agree with you.
Yes, those are the rules here. Literally here you cannot get respite/home based services/aba without Medicaid. They only accept Medicaid not private insurance.
I know here you can qualify for Medicaid based on disability alone. I am assuming you are the same? I agree with you.
Yes, those are the rules here. Literally here you cannot get respite/home based services/aba without Medicaid. They only accept Medicaid not private insurance.
Some of THE BEST therapist I know only take Medicaid. I get it.
Yes, those are the rules here. Literally here you cannot get respite/home based services/aba without Medicaid. They only accept Medicaid not private insurance.
Some of THE BEST therapist I know only take Medicaid. I get it.
That's interesting! In reading info from other message boards it seems to be an anomaly--generally the best therapists/doctors don't take Medicaid. It's the opposite here.
Some of THE BEST therapist I know only take Medicaid. I get it.
That's interesting! In reading info from other message boards it seems to be an anomaly--generally the best therapists/doctors don't take Medicaid. It's the opposite here.
Most private therapist who don't work for a company do here because otherwise it can be hard to get paid. Honestly I would never work for myself because of it. I have a really good friend who is an OT and she switched to all Medicaid two years ago.