Post by fuckyourcouch on Apr 22, 2015 10:25:40 GMT -5
And not to mention, what an idiot. You know tons of runners. The only reason I even knew that racing series exists is because of you. Guess what I won't be attending? Guess who I will tell to do the same? Moron.
Post by mrs.jacinthe on Apr 22, 2015 10:26:00 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand what he thinks you should be remorseful over? "Sorry I was stuck on an exposed rock face by myself for several hours while you went home" just doesn't seem right ...
Post by emilyinchile on Apr 22, 2015 10:26:43 GMT -5
This is insane. I'm sorry you have to deal with it - and sorry you were abandoned on a mountain! I'm so glad you and your friend are both ok.
Even if you hadn't been in the wilderness, you were offering your time to help this guy with a project of his. That to me means he should have been the last one to leave the set up and was, in fact, in charge of the group of volunteers, despite whatever he's now trying to claim on FB. What a psycho.
And not to mention, what an idiot. You know tons of runners. The only reason I even knew that racing series exists is because of you. Guess what I won't be attending? Guess who I will tell to do the same? Moron.
This exactly. I really enjoyed the fatasses this year, but guess what I WON'T be doing again? And I'll be sure to tell the rest of our runner girl group.
What a fucking dumbass. I got a hint of it when he sent out a pissy email to everyone after the Horsetooth 50k - bitching out two individuals for talking to a park ranger. He puts on a good event, but clearly does not have the common sense required when it comes to working with others.
John sucks, you rock. And you are in NO WAY an angry/hateful/whatever the fuck BS he said person.
Wow, this is absolutely ridiculous. I am just stunned. I hope you are able to work through this in a way that doesn't impact your relationship with your SO.
Post by katinthehat on Apr 22, 2015 12:07:10 GMT -5
So wait. Let me see if I understand. He's getting ready to put on a race put on by his company. He needs people to help him. You volunteer. He then leaves you in a precarious position (to put it mildly) but does leave someone to wait for you should you make it out alive.
And he's saying because you volunteered for this, he has no (and his company has no) responsibility to ensure the health and safety of his volunteers?
Is that the basic jest of it before he shows his ass in email form?
Wow, I'm in complete shock at that email! As an attorney, I'm appalled that someone who is in the business of directing races would leave you out there when you were helping him with his GD race! What on earth does he think would happen to him/his company if, god forbid, any harm had come to you? What a complete jerk. I hope your SO can talk some sense into him.
Love of my life baby boy born 11/11. One and done not by choice; 3 years of TTC yielded 4 MMC and 2 CPs, through 4 IUIs and 2 IVFs. Focusing on making the world a better place instead...and running.
Love of my life baby boy born 11/11. One and done not by choice; 3 years of TTC yielded 4 MMC and 2 CPs, through 4 IUIs and 2 IVFs. Focusing on making the world a better place instead...and running.
(I want to be outraged but I don't understand what happened and need someone to dumb it down for me.)
Cast: blndsnbrdr as herself John as Asshole SO as himself Friend 1 as "Also stuck on a rock person" Friend 2 as "Worried sick while waiting person"
Scene: Somewhere in Colorado
blndsnbrdr, Friend 1, and Friend 2 are volunteering to help Asshole set up for a race this weekend which is run by his company and for which he is RD. They are all in a group. In the afternoon, Friend 2 decides she's done and heads back to trailhead to wait for blndsnbrdr and Friend 1.
After it gets dark, Asshole, Friend 1, and blndsnbrdr are still trail marking, etc. Asshole gets ahead of Friend 1 and blndsnbrdr and never looks back. Asshole leaves Friend 1 and blndsnbrdr on a wet rock face, in the dark, to navigate/climb it on their own. Asshole arrives back at trailhead where Friend 2 is waiting and tells Friend 2 (who is worried) not to worry about Friend 1 and blndsnbrdr still being out on the trail/cliff alone until at least 6 hours later. Asshole gets in his car b/c he thinks he is getting hypothermic and leaves, with blndsnbrdr and Friend 1 still out on the trail and also cold and wet. It takes blndsnbrdr and Friend 1 two more hours to find their way back, during which time they could have been seriously injured.
Asshole then proceeds to send email berating them for biting off more than they can chew spewing excuses why he doesn't suck and shifting blame. blndsnbrdr sends a polite but firm email indicating that Asshole is ... well, not a very good leader. Asshole responds banning blndsnbrdr from all his company's events, as athlete, volunteer, or even spectator and telling her that she is a mean meany who needs to feel remorse for being left on the trail and then being mean about it.
SO is Asshole's friend, so is now stuck between a rock and a hard place, but is being supportive of blndsnbrdr
So wait. Let me see if I understand. He's getting ready to put on a race put on by his company. He needs people to help him. You volunteer. He then leaves you in a precarious position (to put it mildly) but does leave someone to wait for you should you make it out alive.
And he's saying because you volunteered for this, he has no (and his company has no) responsibility to ensure the health and safety of his volunteers?
Is that the basic jest of it before he shows his ass in email form?
Basically, yes. That's what happened.
He emailed me at 9am Sunday [this went down Saturday] and said he was proud of us for staying strong and then had about 8 paragraphs of "reasoning" as his "debrief". Honestly, if he had just said " I made mistakes, I'm so sorry" with true sincerity I would have just asked him to make sure this never happened to anyone else, ever again and leave it at that...but it escalated so ridiculously I don't even know what to do with myself.
(I want to be outraged but I don't understand what happened and need someone to dumb it down for me.)
Cast: blndsnbrdr as herself John as Asshole SO as himself Friend 1 as "Also stuck on a rock person" Friend 2 as "Worried sick while waiting person"
Scene: Somewhere in Colorado
blndsnbrdr, Friend 1, and Friend 2 are volunteering to help Asshole set up for a race this weekend which is run by his company and for which he is RD. They are all in a group. In the afternoon, Friend 2 decides she's done and heads back to trailhead to wait for blndsnbrdr and Friend 1.
After it gets dark, Asshole, Friend 1, and blndsnbrdr are still trail marking, etc. Asshole gets ahead of Friend 1 and blndsnbrdr and never looks back. Asshole leaves Friend 1 and blndsnbrdr on a wet rock face, in the dark, to navigate/climb it on their own. Asshole arrives back at trailhead where Friend 2 is waiting and tells Friend 2 (who is worried) not to worry about Friend 1 and blndsnbrdr still being out on the trail/cliff alone until at least 6 hours later. Asshole gets in his car b/c he thinks he is getting hypothermic and leaves, with blndsnbrdr and Friend 1 still out on the trail and also cold and wet. It takes blndsnbrdr and Friend 1 two more hours to find their way back, during which time they could have been seriously injured.
Asshole then proceeds to send email berating them for biting off more than they can chew. blndsnbrdr sends a polite but firm email indicating that Asshole is ... well, not a very good leader. Asshole responds banning blndsnbrdr from all his company's events, as athlete, volunteer, or even spectator and telling her that she is a mean meany who needs to feel remorse for being left on the trail and then being mean about it.
SO is Asshole's friend, so is now stuck between a rock and a hard place, but is being supportive of blndsnbrdr
General rage.
/scene
mrs.jacinthe is pretty much spot on. Only exception is that his first email wasn't a complete attack, more of a pile of excuses for his actions. His email meltdown came a day after the response I linked in the OP.
Adding on to the pile of "let me get this straight": you were VOLUNTEERING to help him set up for an event that he is making money off of, and this is how he treats you?
I mean, not that it would've been appropriate in other circumstances, but that is the part that chaps my ass the most.
Post by reginaphalange72 on Apr 22, 2015 14:34:39 GMT -5
After thinking about this more, I know you don't want to drag your SO into it, which is totally understandable and respectable. HOWEVER, I feel like this is the kind of thing that DOES need to be broadcast on FB, twitter, and blogs. He's putting people's lives and/or physical safety at risk, and being a complete, unapologetic dick about it. That's unacceptable. If anyone is going to attend one of his events, or help set up for one in the future, they should know what kind of pathetic asshole they're dealing with.
Thinking about this from another perspective, if this had happened to someone else, and I hadn't heard about it, I would have continued to attend his events. When I eventually DID hear about it, I would wish I had known earlier, so I could have found other events/races who are run by people who are not scummy douchebags.
I don't really have anything to add that hasn't already been said, I'm just aghast. Holy shit, dude! I'm sorry you have to deal with this. (And that it happened!)
How did I just now see this?!?! This is insane! Every single thing you have said about this over the last few days has made me think, "well, that's about the most assholey thing ever," but then he TOPS IT. He's arguing with you that leaving you in possible peril WASN'T a dick move?! He's calling YOU out for lacking empathy?? He was afraid he could be hypothermic and didn't think twice about the people he left alone on a rock face in the same weather??
Holy shit. I understand why you are trying to stay more diplomatic, but I would seriously light him the fuck up on social media. He clearly has no problem putting people in danger, and I think that potential volunteers or race participants deserve to know that.