She is utterly tone deaf. She thinks she's still in New Jersey, where something like that might just fly, than in Ohio, where it definitely won't.
This was my job, for fifteen years. There are a lot of women who are actually denied positions for which they were the best candidate because of factors related to their sex. She is NOT one of them.
You can't show up late to an interview. You just can't. And 20 minutes late? No. If you have a run in your hose, no. NO. And looking like that. No.
It's also tone deaf to what a casual, tech, environment looks like. Maybe if she was applying for a job in a more creative field, that outfit would fly. But in tech, no. It's all well and good to want to change the world, but you don't get there without making some sacrifices. In this case, she wants to "be herself"... that means she doesn't get this job.
Does she not know that there were probably hundreds of candidates for this position? Does she actually think she can be this person and be hired. Sorry, one of the things we all do for our first job (or for summer jobs, like this) is SUCK IT UP. Unwilling to suck it up? I'm sure they can find somebody perfectly willing to...
I feeling very irritated by this girl. When job hunting, candidates generally don't get back any useful critique when they don't get a job, which is frustrating. I'm guessing this type of reaction is a part of why, so by being totally entitled, she has made it so the next candidate who could use some tips on improving their interviewing skills won't get them. Take what they tell you and use it to improve.
She's reminding me of a college classmate who was so upset that her boyfriend was having trouble finding a job due to his 2.0 gpa. It was totally unfair because he's really smart and knows the material, he just didn't go to his classes regularly. Gee, do you think that his potential employers might think showing up is important? She also showed up ten minutes late to every single class and would sit down and start asking questions about the stuff on the board that had already been covered. arrrggghh!
She is utterly tone deaf. She thinks she's still in New Jersey, where something like that might just fly, than in Ohio, where it definitely won't.
This was my job, for fifteen years. There are a lot of women who are actually denied positions for which they were the best candidate because of factors related to their sex. She is NOT one of them.
You can't show up late to an interview. You just can't. And 20 minutes late? No. If you have a run in your hose, no. NO. And looking like that. No.
It's also tone deaf to what a casual, tech, environment looks like. Maybe if she was applying for a job in a more creative field, that outfit would fly. But in tech, no. It's all well and good to want to change the world, but you don't get there without making some sacrifices. In this case, she wants to "be herself"... that means she doesn't get this job.
Does she not know that there were probably hundreds of candidates for this position? Does she actually think she can be this person and be hired. Sorry, one of the things we all do for our first job (or for summer jobs, like this) is SUCK IT UP. Unwilling to suck it up? I'm sure they can find somebody perfectly willing to...
Post by penguingrrl on Apr 22, 2015 10:01:19 GMT -5
No, this wasn't sexism. That skirt is not interview appropriate in pretty much any field. I honestly wonder if the recruiter was giving her this feedback because she felt it might be helpful. I mean, I know that you have to be careful what you say, but giving feedback that someone is dressing inappropriately, while very uncomfortable, might help them rethink how they present themselves in the future and help them get a position in the long run.
I wouldn't wear that to an interview and I am regularly interviewed by people wearing jeans. I was even once interviewed by a guy in shorts. Even if I know the workplace is super casual, I still wear business attire to the interview, because it is safer.
That is not a professional job interview outfit. AND she was late but it's somehow okay because she told them she was going to be late?? No. I wouldn't hire her either.
Freakin millennials, man.
Is she part of Generation Z? That is what comes after the Millenials. I don't really understand when the cut-off is.
I think Generation Z is still in grade school. I want to say the age range is today's 18 and unders?
Post by cattledogkisses on Apr 22, 2015 10:39:12 GMT -5
Interview attire is different from everyday work attire. That outfit might be appropriate to wear on a typical day for the job she's interviewing for, but not to interview for the job. When you're interviewing you go a step or two above the norm.
I do question the appropriateness of the "clubbing" comment, but this woman did not present herself professionally at all.
I think she could have done a different black top and red skirt with a nice blazer and professional hair style and come off ten times better. I have no idea how to describe this style ... rocker girl? Retro girl? but a few ladies here do it but still manage to keep the outfit at a certain level. It's also sort of a "techie girl" look, but again she could have executed better for interview level.
Yeah, but we know from the article that she was not interviewing at Google, nor was interviewing to be the art director at a startup. I would give way more leeway to something like that. Cleveland in general is going to be way more conservative in terms of business attire/interview norms than, say, Seattle.
Yeah, not interview appropriate. And showing up late? No. I'm surprised they even still interviewed her, because I don't know if my company would have. Like others stated in this thread, always dress a step above the job you are interviewing for. I am going in for an internal interview for a promotion at my current company. I am not wearing a full suit because we are casual (and it's too hot and I am sweating too easily being 8 weeks post partum) but I am wearing the suit pants with a nice blouse. I even went and bought a new one since most of my mine are either sleeveless or sweater material (again the sweating issue). This was something that was drilled into me at college, both undergrad and grad. How did she miss that lesson?
I am 1,000% sure that the outfit was something the company mentioned but was not the dealbreaker. The dealbreaker was strolling in at whatever time is more convenient for her and acting all smug and entitled. If you know you cannot get there close to 4:00 don't agree to 4:00. Ask if 4:30 would be OK, or another day. This is not rocket science and the way she handled it is indicative of an inability to work well in a team environment.
This is a little lesson in how you are not a special snowflake in the real world. She needs to stop bitching and soak that one in.
She could wear that to work where I work -- and I am sitting here at work in some black jeans, a tshirt and a jean jacket, and am probably better dressed than half of the folks in the building -- but that is not an interview outfit. Times have changed but they have not changed that much.
Yep, I'm wearing jeans, a sweatshirt and Converse, but I wore a suit to my first interview and a black sheath dress + blazer to my second for this job.
That outfit looks like something half my undergrads wear to class daily. So it's not even trying to dress up and failing IMO.
Nope nope. I have a Comp Sci degree. I am actively pursued for positions in IT all the time because diversity is becoming and increasingly important part of the field as the old white guys age out and people realize that young and diverse employees have actual ideas and potential.
I also interview in a suit. Always. I've interviewed for two positions internally since starting with my company and I wore a suit both times. Our dress code is jeans. Know your audience and dress appropriately.
Post by cookiemdough on Apr 22, 2015 11:54:48 GMT -5
Attire was not even appropriate business casual attire, so no. But being late is a dealbreaker unless strenuous circumstances. We schedule interviews with multiple people who likely have other meetings throughout the day. Being late throws off the whole thing and likely would result in the candidate not even making it to see the hiring official.
That is not a professional job interview outfit. AND she was late but it's somehow okay because she told them she was going to be late?? No. I wouldn't hire her either.
Freakin millennials, man.
You know HR is grateful as fuck this little heifer didn't get hired.
Ironically enough she was applying for a job at an HR consulting firm.
No matter how stellar her interview skills were, there's no way they could take the gamble that she'd show up dressed like that to one of their clients. It's kind of amazing to me that someone who wants to work in HR consulting hasn't figured this out after four years in college. That's still a pretty conservative (dress code wise) area of employment.
Also, just the thought of being late to an interview gives me anxiety.
Right? I would always build in so much extra time that I'd be sitting in a cafe drinking water (no coffee! Stinky breath + risk of stain ) for a half hour before I'd even go to the office and STILL be early.
I could even understand a couple minutes late because of terrible traffic or something, but twenty minutes??? No way. If you're going to be that late, you try to reschedule and pray that they let you.