Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
Also maybe flatlanders vs. mountains? Where in AZ was she vs. where in CO?
And I'm willing to hazard that AZ has more overdesigned roads than CO, based on my REALLY limited driving in both states. (I've been in each once with a rental car...)
Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
Also maybe flatlanders vs. mountains? Where in AZ was she vs. where in CO?
And I'm willing to hazard that AZ has more overdesigned roads than CO, based on my REALLY limited driving in both states. (I've been in each once with a rental car...)
Also maybe flatlanders vs. mountains? Where in AZ was she vs. where in CO?
And I'm willing to hazard that AZ has more overdesigned roads than CO, based on my REALLY limited driving in both states. (I've been in each once with a rental car...)
Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
I think culture and enforcement are huge. I once got passed on the right - and glared at! - for "only" going 75 in a 55 in a middle lane on I-294 outside of Chicago. 75 in a 55 in Milwaukee? Prepare to be the fastest one on the road and the one getting the ticket.
I also have never seen someone get ticketed in Kentucky, but 100 yards into Tennessee, I'd see people pulled over. Incidentally, Tennessee has some of the smoothest highways I've ever used.
Post by underwaterrhymes on Apr 27, 2015 9:28:20 GMT -5
I can't remember which country this is, but somewhere in Europe a country was offering a pretty significant prize that was only open to drivers who were going the speed limit. If drivers passed the sign / speed pad and were going the speed limit, they were automatically entered to win the prize.
Apparently it was startling effective in reducing speeding.
Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
This is entirely true here, each province has their own speeding culture. It pays to know it if you are going to travel.
iammalcolmx can attest to the fact that if you're going 70 in a 65 in Atlanta, you will be left in a cloud of dust.
DUDE. Y'all can add me to the list of people who ain't shit because on the Highway I don't go 65 when the weather is good. There is a surface street I can take to work where I am careful about going the speed limit, and I go very slow in school zones, but the Highway??? Shit...
Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
When I head back to DC and I am on the Beltway I am like WHY ARE WE DRIVING SO SLOW??? Then I realize I have lived in Georgia for too long.
iammalcolmx can attest to the fact that if you're going 70 in a 65 in Atlanta, you will be left in a cloud of dust.
It's been some years since I've drove in Atlanta but I'm pretty sure going the speed limit will get you killed on some of those highways.
I drive in Indiana and Kentucky everyday. There's a few areas where I most certainly wouldn't want to be the law abiding citizen and go the speed limit. Every once in a while I'll come across that person who minds the speed limit and people driving and swerving around them is a hazard all by itself.
I've never driven in L.A. How does it work? There are 3-4 lanes of traffic? Speed limit is 65-ish and far left lane goes 80-ish on average?
I literally have no idea. I'm an NYCer so naturally, I hate L.A. :-)
No, in LA you go as fast as you can as long as there is no traffic in your way, because inevitably you're going to slow to 20 mph, if not 0 mph, sooner or later.
Technically, you are allowed to pass on the right in CA. You are also allowed to drive up to the flow of traffic, legally. (So it's not just that you won't get pulled over if 10 other people around you are going 70, you are literally legally allowed to drive 70 if the speed limit is 65 and everyone else is going 70.)
Bigger yet was the ticket issued to a Nokia executive in 2002, when he was caught blowing through Helsinki on his Harley motorcycle and was hit with a $103,600 fine, based on a $12.5 million yearly income. Both tickets were appealed and in the end reduced.
based on this, if you earned $100k/year, your speeding fine would be over $800.
Now, I actually think the method is brilliant. But I think the actual amounts are too high. $200-300 would be plenty of deterrent for someone making $100k, IMO.
Only if they apply the same percentage to all income levels. You know how there's a graduated income tax in the US, so rich people (theoretically) pay a higher percentage in income tax than lower income people? It could very well be that people making $100k/year pay $250 and people making $50k/year pay $100 and people making $20k/year pay $35.
iammalcolmx can attest to the fact that if you're going 70 in a 65 in Atlanta, you will be left in a cloud of dust.
It's been some years since I've drove in Atlanta but I'm pretty sure going the speed limit will get you killed on some of those highways.
I drive in Indiana and Kentucky everyday. There's a few areas where I most certainly wouldn't want to be the law abiding citizen and go the speed limit. Every once in a while I'll come across that person who minds the speed limit and people driving and swerving around them is a hazard all by itself.
omg; there's this stretch of I-70 through Indianapolis where the limit is 55. On most of I-70, I'll go no more than 4mph over the speed limit (74 in a 70). On that stretch, I'll go my max of 9 over (so 64 in a 55) and I'm still the slowest on the road bc most people are still going 75 mph. It's awful.
Wait, I'm supposed to use the left lane to pass cars but not go over the speed limit while passing?
Yeah, this is not the thread for me lol
If the right lane is going slower than the speed limit then you pass on the left. If the right lane is going the speed limit, than you stay in the right lane. Honestly I never thought about which lane to pass in when I drove in the States. I just passed wherever. I feel like I learned it, but it was never something I saw enforced
Oh I agree about using the left lane to pass. I do not agree that when passing one should never go over the speed limit. That's just . . . defies the logic of traffic flow on pretty much every interstate I've ever been on.
Wait, I'm supposed to use the left lane to pass cars but not go over the speed limit while passing?
Yeah, this is not the thread for me lol
If the right lane is going slower than the speed limit then you pass on the left. If the right lane is going the speed limit, than you stay in the right lane. Honestly I never thought about which lane to pass in when I drove in the States. I just passed wherever. I feel like I learned it, but it was never something I saw enforced
Oh I agree about using the left lane to pass. I do not agree that when passing one should never go over the speed limit. That's just . . . defies the logic of traffic flow on pretty much every interstate I've ever been on.
ANd since we're complaining....wrecker drivers are the worst! The drive bigger/heavier cars than average, SUPER speed and drive very aggressive to be the first to get to a wreck. I had one come about a foot from rear ending me at 30+ mph difference on Friday...luckily I swerved left in my lane and he swerved right into the shoulder.
You are in Houston right? I was there a couple years ago for a friends Birthday party and was SCARED TO DEATH while driving.
Most police officers I know have said that you won't get pulled over for speeding for doing 80 if that is flow of traffic but if you are weaving in an out to get up to that speed you will because that is what causes most accidents.
On the contrary, speeders are much easier to pull over because you just have to sit on the side of the road and pick them off. Pulling over people for reckless driving (like weaving in and out of lanes) requires a lot more effort and frankly, an awful lot of cops are lazy (at least when it comes to this) and their bosses are more interested in revenue than in keeping the roads safe.
Now, if localities and states would increase the fines for reckless driving, then they would have more incentive to get out there and actually make the roads safer.
YES!!!
All they have to do is sit and listen for the beep. To pull people over for other shit, they actually have to be paying attention.
I would give my fucking eye to see cops pull more people over for failure to use a turn signal.
My stepfather was pulled over for speeding once, and he asked the cop why he got tagged but the faster driver weaving in and out of traffic and posing the bigger threat wasn't. The cop flat out told him it was because my step-dad was easier to catch.
I believe it. This is also why motorcycle drivers basically never get pulled over, no matter what kind of reckless and dangerous things they are doing.
I kind of have some rage for motorcyclists. They have a serious victim complex. I have no doubt they get hurt and get hurt often. The very nature of their chosen mode of transportation vs everyone else's ensures that when there is a collision, they are the losers.
THAT BEING SAID, Instead of blathering on about how no one watches for motorcyclists, they need to accept that even the most observant drivers CANNOT SEE their asses in the same way we can cars, trucks, etc. SO HOW ABOUT YOU STOP DRIVING LIKE ENTITLED DICKBAGS, DICKBAGS??
I believe it. This is also why motorcycle drivers basically never get pulled over, no matter what kind of reckless and dangerous things they are doing.
I kind of have some rage for motorcyclists. They have a serious victim complex. I have no doubt they get hurt and get hurt often. The very nature of their chosen mode of transportation vs everyone else's ensures that when there is a collision, they are the losers.
THAT BEING SAID, Instead of blathering on about how no one watches for motorcyclists, they need to accept that even the most observant drivers CANNOT SEE their asses in the same way we can cars, trucks, etc. SO HOW ABOUT YOU STOP DRIVING LIKE ENTITLED DICKBAGS, DICKBAGS??
I believe it. This is also why motorcycle drivers basically never get pulled over, no matter what kind of reckless and dangerous things they are doing.
I kind of have some rage for motorcyclists. They have a serious victim complex. I have no doubt they get hurt and get hurt often. The very nature of their chosen mode of transportation vs everyone else's ensures that when there is a collision, they are the losers.
THAT BEING SAID, Instead of blathering on about how no one watches for motorcyclists, they need to accept that even the most observant drivers CANNOT SEE their asses in the same way we can cars, trucks, etc. SO HOW ABOUT YOU STOP DRIVING LIKE ENTITLED DICKBAGS, DICKBAGS??
Driving in between two lanes is totes kosher. Why the hate?
Also, this reminds me of a post way long ago. Somebody had moved to CO from... AZ I think? and asked how much faster people go above the speed limit normally. She would regularly go 10-15 mph over based on her experience in AZ, and felt like she was going way faster than the rest of traffic. The CO people responded 5 mph. So I wonder if some of it has to do with 1) regional culture, and 2) enforcement. Over 5 mph here and you'll most certainly earn yourself a ticket.
If you feel like you're going faster than everyone else, why the fuck wouldn't you slow down instead of querying a message board?
Why are people stupid?
And wawa, what you wrote up there makes perfect sense. There is an area in the town over from me that I drive through aaaaaaaaaaaallllll the time and the speed limit is 35 for what I've always felt was NO FUCKING REASON! It's four lanes of traffic, decent sized shoulders, lights, and a center turn lane. No one goes 35 on this road. Going 40 is conservative. There are cops parked all along it for laziness sake I presume and yet I've never seen them flash lights on those who zoom by at 45 or 50 so call me confused. Or rather call me confused before I read your post. Now I get it lol
Another reason it bugs me? Because the same road (it's a long ass road, a major road through Savannah, four other towns and more) looks the same at other points even within this town but it's 45 in an area just preceding it. Then it drops down to 35. Then back up to 45, and then up to 55 once you clear the town (that part I get). Once you clear the cotton field, then it goes up to 70 I think. There is no other spot where it's 35.
On the contrary, speeders are much easier to pull over because you just have to sit on the side of the road and pick them off. Pulling over people for reckless driving (like weaving in and out of lanes) requires a lot more effort and frankly, an awful lot of cops are lazy (at least when it comes to this) and their bosses are more interested in revenue than in keeping the roads safe.
Now, if localities and states would increase the fines for reckless driving, then they would have more incentive to get out there and actually make the roads safer.
YES!!!
All they have to do is sit and listen for the beep. To pull people over for other shit, they actually have to be paying attention.
I would give my fucking eye to see cops pull more people over for failure to use a turn signal.
I cannot even begin to describe my rage at people failing to use turn signals when switching lanes or, you know, turning.
I kind of have some rage for motorcyclists. They have a serious victim complex. I have no doubt they get hurt and get hurt often. The very nature of their chosen mode of transportation vs everyone else's ensures that when there is a collision, they are the losers.
THAT BEING SAID, Instead of blathering on about how no one watches for motorcyclists, they need to accept that even the most observant drivers CANNOT SEE their asses in the same way we can cars, trucks, etc. SO HOW ABOUT YOU STOP DRIVING LIKE ENTITLED DICKBAGS, DICKBAGS??
Driving in between two lanes is totes kosher. Why the hate?
You know this is a thing they're trying to get approved in assorted states, right? Legalized lane splitting? It's actually legal in CA. (defacto legal is my understanding. There's no law that says they can, but there's also no law that says they can't and the interpretation has been that it's allowed)
I can never decide how I feel about it. I know I hate it when people do it at speed and don't see how its even kinda reasonable. I don't think I have a problem with it in a jam if the bike is just rolling up between the lanes at like, 20 mph. I know that if MH tried to do it with me on the back of our motorcycle (which we don't actually own anymore...) I'd shit my pants and never fucking forgive him.
Even those who are worried about high wealth / no "earned" income types, they are still making tons of investment & unearned income (which we just tax at a super low rate). I think their incomes would still be plenty high. Even if warren buffet had no salary, his income is still quite large- jsut from stocks/real estate.
Driving in between two lanes is totes kosher. Why the hate?
You know this is a thing they're trying to get approved in assorted states, right? Legalized lane splitting? It's actually legal in CA. (defacto legal is my understanding. There's no law that says they can, but there's also no law that says they can't and the interpretation has been that it's allowed)
I can never decide how I feel about it. I know I hate it when people do it at speed and don't see how its even kinda reasonable. I don't think I have a problem with it in a jam if the bike is just rolling up between the lanes at like, 20 mph. I know that if MH tried to do it with me on the back of our motorcycle (which we don't actually own anymore...) I'd shit my pants and never fucking forgive him.
H told me this once and I came thisclose to calling him a liar because the concept of this being legal is shocking to me. But then, California.
Italy has an interesting way of trying to catch people speeding on the main highways. We were driving from Rome to Maratea (south of Naples) and they have checkpoint/sensors that you drive under (almost like a toll). They calculate the speed you were going in that distance and will ticket you if you hit two checkpoints too quickly. I asked about getting off to stop, as that would change everything, and I think they've got that covered somehow.
When I lived in NH there were rumors that they did this with EZ passes going through the tolls, but I can't find any confirmation on the web that this was a real thing, so it must have just been rumor.