I finally watched the video of the presser. I LOVE that lady! Loved her details, loved how committed to justice and transparency she sounded, loved her resolve. Loved her strength of presence.
She reminded me of smo, too, with her poise and eye makeup and even her voice, lol.
I feel like I'm psychic or a good judge of character because after I saw some clips of her talking last night and that interview with her H, I had such a good feeling about how this would play out. Just the way he spoke about her investigation and the things he said about his constituents - it really made an impression on me.
She was also recently elected, so she's only been in office for 5m or so. One article I read said one of her campaign issues was transparency with the police, I think.
When Mosby was elected people on my neighborhood Facebook page were outraged, because she was so young and inexperienced (their words not mine). They were convinced that she wouldn't be tough enough on crime, and things would fall apart. I think this shows that she is going to do a great job, but I am interested to see how her naysayers spin it.
Apparently the FOP tried to start a gofundme for the defense and it got Denied.
Dumb, doesn't the union provide them representation anyway? But you can't raise money re anything related to illegal action.
No.
Also, wrt to the gofundme, does no one accused of criminal activity use them to help pay for legal expenses? I mean -- the money isn't going to something illegal, it's going to someone who would be defending themselves against criminal charges. Innocent until proven guilty and all?
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Dumb, doesn't the union provide them representation anyway? But you can't raise money re anything related to illegal action.
No. ย
Also, wrt to the gofundme, does no one accused of criminal activity use them to help pay for legal expenses? ย I mean -- the money isn't going to something illegal, it's going to someone who would be defending themselves against criminal charges. ย Innocent until proven guilty and all? ย
Yeah i am not sure what the rules were. I just remember they recently denied and closed off funds for the OR baker who refused to make a gay wedding cake since she violated OR law. But maybe that was after she was found guilty.
There were some people on Anderson Cooper (I know, CNN....) mention she may need to recuse herself due to so many details and publicity with an ongoing investigation. Is that something that would be done? The female attorney mentioned it was odd to do (Mosby) and so early on.
3 Black, 3 white. 5 males. 1 femail. 4 are 30 or under.
I was surprised by this. They were all white in my head
There are a few articles floating around about how police brutality is more of a class issue than a race issue here. There are a lot of black cops, unlike places like Ferguson, but they can be just as dangerous as white cops.
Post by gretchenindisguise on May 1, 2015 20:25:54 GMT -5
I was reading a lot about the Baltimore PD yesterday or the day before and with that watched some videos. Some of the cops were black and it surprised me too. It seems that it's not white vs black, it is cop vs black.
I was reading a lot about the Baltimore PD yesterday or the day before and with that watched some videos. Some of the cops were black and it surprised me too. It seems that it's not white vs black, it is cop vs black.
It's about power/authority (which are different) vs. those that have less than none..
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-myth-of-police-reform/390057/here are many problems with expecting people trained in crime-fighting to be social workers. In the black community, there is a problem of legitimacy. In his 1953 book The Quest For Community, conservative Robert Nisbet distinguishes between "power" and "authority." Authority, claims Nisbet, is a matter of relationships, allegiances, and association and is "based ultimately upon the consent of those under it." Power, on the other hand, is "external" and "based upon force." Power exists where allegiances have decayed or never existed at all. "Power arises," writes Nesbit, "only when authority breaks down."
African Americans, for most of our history, have lived under the power of the criminal-justice system, not its authority. The dominant feature in the relationship between African Americans and their country is plunder, and plunder has made police authority an impossibility, and police power a necessity. The skepticism of Officer Darren Wilson's account in the shooting of Michael Brown, for instance, emerges out of lack of police authorityโwhich is to say it comes from a belief that the police are as likely to lie as any other citizen. When African American parents give their children "The Talk," they do not urge them to make no sudden movements in the presence of police out of a profound respect for the democratic ideal, but out of the knowledge that police can, and will, kill them.
But for most Americans, the policeโand the criminal-justice systemโare figures of authority. The badge does not merely represent rule via lethal force, but rule through consent and legitimacy rooted in nobility. This is why whenever a liberal politician offers even the mildest criticism of the police, they must add that "the majority of officers are good, noble people." Taken at face value this is not much of a defenseโlike a restaurant claiming that on most nights, there really are no rats in the dining room. But interpreted less literally the line is not meant to defend police officers, but to communicate the message that the speaker is not questioning police authority, which is to say the authority of our justice system, which is to sayโin a democracyโthe authority of the people themselves.
I was reading a lot about the Baltimore PD yesterday or the day before and with that watched some videos. Some of the cops were black and it surprised me too. It seems that it's not white vs black, it is cop vs black.
I think BPD is almost 50/50. I swear I read that somewhere.
Post by secretlyevil on May 1, 2015 21:15:40 GMT -5
I'm nor sure I understand the bond thing. Did they get a sympathetic judge? How is 2nd degree murder bond less than bond for looting and whatever else the protesters are getting charged with?
I haven't finished reading the thread but I want to say good on Mosby! I'm so relieved that they are pressing charges. I'm even hopeful that the charges relating to wrongful arrest and death due to negligence will lead to convictions.
I'm nor sure I understand the bond thing. Did they get a sympathetic judge? How is 2nd degree murder bond less than bond for looting and whatever else the protesters are getting charged with?
I don't fully understand, either. I know they consider whether you're a flight risk and the likelihood you'll show for your court date. Cops with their faces splashed on national news aren't likely to go anywhere but the safety of their basements. And all blah people look alike; who knows if you'll ever find those protestors again!
I'm nor sure I understand the bond thing. Did they get a sympathetic judge? How is 2nd degree murder bond less than bond for looting and whatever else the protesters are getting charged with?
I don't fully understand, either. I know they consider whether you're a flight risk and the likelihood you'll show for your court date. Cops with their faces splashed on national news aren't likely to go anywhere but the safety of their basements. And all blah people look alike; who knows if you'll ever find those protestors again!
I think danger to the community may be in there, as well.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Maybe now the media will focus on cop brutality instead of just the race issue. Maybe we can actually make some head way on fixing that issue.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
I was looking at my local news FB feed. Only one mentioned the charges filed today.
There was not a single story about Baltimore with the riots on the entire front page of my hometown newspaper's website. I was shocked, but not surprised, this newspaper has just been horrible lately, but we are a major city!
I finally finished and here is my question: What does "misconduct in office" mean? It's one of the charges.
How the DOJ defines it:
"Police Misconduct Provision"
This law makes it unlawful for State or local law enforcement officers to engage in a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives persons of rights protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. (42 U.S.C. ยง 14141). The types of conduct covered by this law can include, among other things, excessive force, discriminatory harassment, false arrests, coercive sexual conduct, and unlawful stops, searches or arrests. In order to be covered by this law, the misconduct must constitute a "pattern or practice" -- it may not simply be an isolated incident. The DOJ must be able to show in court that the agency has an unlawful policy or that the incidents constituted a pattern of unlawful conduct.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I finally finished and here is my question: What does "misconduct in office" mean? It's one of the charges.
It's basically doing something illegal while holding an official position.
ETA "In Maryland, misconduct in office is a common law misdemeanor. It is corrupt behavior by a public officer in the exercise of the duties of his office or while acting under color of his office."