I love Jon Snow. That's all.

[NitaX]

HOLY MUTHAFUCKING SHIT.

The dogs started barking and I was like - something ain't right.

THEN THOSE JOKERS CAME DOWN LIKE A STAMPEDE!

LAWD SWEET BABY JESUS.

[NitaX]

May 31, 2015 21:02:58 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

Also, my new favorite nickname for Jorah is Jorah the Fedora. Dude, get a clue. SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU.

But Dany is BAE.

[LoveTrains]

May 31, 2015 21:56:45 GMT -5 @barefootbarista said:

Are Bran and Rickon and Hordor coming back?

Next season.

[LoveTrains]

May 31, 2015 21:24:57 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

Interesting theory in that Vanity Fair article, @soudesafinado.

I think it makes sense that it will be Melisandre who does it, because Jon Snow is probably a Targaryen, and Targaryens are dragon people, who would be natural enemies to White Walkers. I doubt the Night's King has any power over him.

I agree with this!!

[eclaires]

I don't think the Night's King will have anything to do with Jon's fate. There is nothing in the books (IMO) that would suggest that could happen but the books do give clues about a few of the other possible methods. I also would speculate that we know his fate and the how (thus spoiling the books as to the how) by the end of this season and it won't be a cliffhanger.

Regardless, Jon Snow is the love of my life and that whole sequence was fucking amazing. I told MH before he used the Valeryan steel sword that it would work because I think it is mentioned in the books or at least implied. I don't know where I would have gotten that otherwise. It makes sense since they are made with dragon fire.

I love that Sansa knows about Bran and Rickon. I was cheering for her getting into Theon's face. She may be down right now but she is not broken. My speculation is that she takes the role of Wyman Manderly (which has been speculated once we knew she was going to Winterfell and he wasn't cast).

SPOILER: Click to show

in the books Stannis sends Davos to Manderly to see if he will support his claim. Manderly tells Davos about the rumors that Rickon is alive and tells him if he brings him his liege lord, he will support Stannis's claim. Davos goes off to find Rickon on Skaagos. My speculation is that Theon and Sansa either make it out of Winterfell and meet up with Stannis and this goes down or Stannis makes it into Winterfell.

I'm gleefully looking forward to Cersei's future.

[ttt]

So wait, what's the deal with the walkers and fire? I kept thinking, why didn't they set that wall on fire? But then the walker came in an extinguished the fire just being there so I guess that wouldn't have worked.

[eclaires]

May 31, 2015 23:03:21 GMT -5 ttt said:

So wait, what's the deal with the walkers and fire? I kept thinking, why didn't they set that wall on fire? But then the walker came in an extinguished the fire just being there so I guess that wouldn't have worked.

Wights (the dead army) can be prevented if you burn the dead.

White Walkers - the ones who seem more human and have dead horses and aren't just mindlessly attacking - have to be killed with dragon glass or Valeryan steel.

I guess the White Walkers have more powers though, clearly, so that may affect what you can do if they are there with the wights?

[litebright]

It seems like there's another obvious option that is "none of the above" in that Vanity Fair article.

SPOILER: Click to show

And that would be, if we're talking about a Bran of the Starks who is capable of raising the dead, that modern-day Bran Stark is a possibility for suddenly showing up and being capable of raising Jon Snow from the dead and/or grievously wounded. He is, after all, learning mystical stuff from a dying legend/the three-eyed raven and is already in the far north. And he's a Good Guy, while the Night's King raises people from the dead to be WW and such. I, um, don't think Jon Snow would want to be brought back that way.

However, if Bran and Hodor aren't in the rest of this season, that would obviously only work if the stabbing and/or the aftermath are next season. Like, if they end Jon's storyline for the season as GRRM did in the books.

[anastasia517]

May 31, 2015 23:03:21 GMT -5 ttt said:

So wait, what's the deal with the walkers and fire? I kept thinking, why didn't they set that wall on fire? But then the walker came in an extinguished the fire just being there so I guess that wouldn't have worked.

Wights are killed by fire, so I was thinking the same thing.

The "White Walkers" (aka Others) are the one Jon was fighting and the Night's King.  They are the ones who raise the wights and can't be killed by fire.  They are the ones who can be killed by dragon glass (obsidian) and dragon steel (which was thought to be Valyrian steel until now, essentially confirmed by this episode as also being book canon).

Really, the entire thing should have been on fire.  This scene is not in the books, at least not as a POV (Jon sends people from Eastwatch-by-the-Sea and he gets ravens updating him on the trip).  In the books Mance and the wildlings always surround their camps by fire because it will stop a wight attack.  The only reason for them not doing it on the show was to get a fight scene in.

[anastasia517]

May 31, 2015 23:25:02 GMT -5 litebright said:

It seems like there's another obvious option that is "none of the above" in that Vanity Fair article.

SPOILER: Click to show

SPOILER: Click to show

And that would be, if we're talking about a Bran of the Starks who is capable of raising the dead, that modern-day Bran Stark is a possibility for suddenly showing up and being capable of raising Jon Snow from the dead and/or grievously wounded. He is, after all, learning mystical stuff from a dying legend/the three-eyed raven and is already in the far north. And he's a Good Guy, while the Night's King raises people from the dead to be WW and such. I, um, don't think Jon Snow would want to be brought back that way.

However, if Bran and Hodor aren't in the rest of this season, that would obviously only work if the stabbing and/or the aftermath are next season. Like, if they end Jon's storyline for the season as GRRM did in the books.

Actually the most common theory is none of the above, including that one.

SPOILER: Click to show

Jon is a warg.  Jon wargs into Ghost, who he is thinking of as he is getting stabbed.  The prologue of ADWD establishes that if your spirit is warged inside another being you will live on in that body with Varamyr Six Skins.  We also see it in book 3 with Orell and his eagle.


The theory goes that Jon will warg into Ghost and his body will be kept frozen in the Wall.  Melisandre will use magic to rejoin his body and spirit, quite possibly with Shireen's blood.

[gault]

Did anyone else notice that the woman at Hardhome is the German chick from Pitch Perfect 2? Her voice gave it away for me.

[anastasia517]

May 31, 2015 23:43:05 GMT -5 gault said:

Did anyone else notice that the woman at Hardhome is the German chick from Pitch Perfect 2? Her voice gave it away for me.

It was bugging me and I was trying to place her.  Midway through I thought she looked like her but I didn't realize it was the same girl.

[MrsAxilla]

No one is talking about Dany and Tyrion?!? I mean, Jon was amazing, but Danyrion (see what I did there?) is definitely living up to my expectations.

[LoveTrains]

The interesting thing is that Jon hasn't really been a warg in the TV show - unlike Bran. It's quite clear when Bran wargs into Hodor for example.

[zoegirltx]

so many questions!!

what the heck happened to all the dragon glass that Jon had with him? did he leave it behind?
so the white walkers can't go into water? I'd sure as shit be building my house out on a lake on stilts!

what is the storyline with araya? I can't figure out the many faced god. Good or bad? is she learning how to tell lies? what's going on here??

can somebody remind me what jorah did to danny? she at least let him live even if she kicked him out. Another great show for Tyrion...love how he is is family's greatest death threat.

And it was nice to see the Queen in prison!

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Jun 1, 2015 6:48:08 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

May 31, 2015 23:33:57 GMT -5 anastasia517 said:

Actually the most common theory is none of the above, including that one.

SPOILER: Click to show

This makes total sense. Do we have precedent in the show for this nature of Jon? I know there's something of it in the books, or that all the Starks tend this way. Anyone of the original characters who had a direwolf, right?

It would seriously negatively affect my love for Stannis if he let things go down like that.

Yes though, all of the Starks have some warg in them. It's a lot more obvious in the books with the way the direwolves respond best to the Stark kids and specifically to their "partner".  There are also a few portions where Jon has wolf dreams the same way Bran does and is able to see through Ghost's eyes although he doesn't really accept that's what's happening at first and he doesn't make a thing out of it the way Jojen and Bran do. I don't remember if he ever does it intentionally.

I so think Melisandre is going to be the one to do the thing (vague to prevent spoilers). It's an interesting theory that they've kept LS out of the shows so it doesn't spoil the potential of a Myrish priest(ess).

[jeaniebueller]

SO, I thought it was interesting that Dany is so out of touch that she hadn't heard that Tyrion had killed Tywin and seemed surprised that he was on the run. Its just more of the same with her basically having no idea what she is doing as a ruler or what she has to overcome if she thinks she is going to take the iron throne. Tyrion is a huge asset to her.

Love Jon Snow. Great episode. Really one of the best. For a minute though, I thought we were going to get a new female Wildling character who would be badass and kick ass, but apparently she became a zombie. Boo.

And I am waiting for some good Got/TWD combined memes and can't find anything yet.

[LoveTrains]

Jun 1, 2015 7:06:19 GMT -5 @silver said:

Jun 1, 2015 6:48:08 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

This makes total sense. Do we have precedent in the show for this nature of Jon? I know there's something of it in the books, or that all the Starks tend this way. Anyone of the original characters who had a direwolf, right?

It would seriously negatively affect my love for Stannis if he let things go down like that.

Yes though, all of the Starks have some warg in them. It's a lot more obvious in the books with the way the direwolves respond best to the Stark kids and specifically to their "partner".  There are also a few portions where Jon has wolf dreams the same way Bran does and is able to see through Ghost's eyes although he doesn't really accept that's what's happening at first and he doesn't make a thing out of it the way Jojen and Bran do. I don't remember if he ever does it intentionally.

I so think Melisandre is going to be the one to do the thing (vague to prevent spoilers). It's an interesting theory that they've kept LS out of the shows so it doesn't spoil the potential of a Myrish priest(ess).

I could have sworn he warged into some animals when he was with the wildlings. There is that other wildling guy (the Thane? then?) that can warg into the bird, right? Doesn't Jon Snow do some warging at the same time? 

that is why I said that in the books, we have the sense that Jon is very much like Bran in this way, although Bran's powers are strongers. From watching the show, I don't think this angle was developed at all. 

[jeaniebueller]

Also, I cannot wait for the Gay of Thrones recap to come out this week!

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Jun 1, 2015 7:42:43 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

Jun 1, 2015 7:06:19 GMT -5 @silver said:

It would seriously negatively affect my love for Stannis if he let things go down like that.

Yes though, all of the Starks have some warg in them. It's a lot more obvious in the books with the way the direwolves respond best to the Stark kids and specifically to their "partner".  There are also a few portions where Jon has wolf dreams the same way Bran does and is able to see through Ghost's eyes although he doesn't really accept that's what's happening at first and he doesn't make a thing out of it the way Jojen and Bran do. I don't remember if he ever does it intentionally.

I so think Melisandre is going to be the one to do the thing (vague to prevent spoilers). It's an interesting theory that they've kept LS out of the shows so it doesn't spoil the potential of a Myrish priest(ess).

I could have sworn he warged into some animals when he was with the wildlings. There is that other wildling guy (the Thane? then?) that can warg into the bird, right? Doesn't Jon Snow do some warging at the same time? 

that is why I said that in the books, we have the sense that Jon is very much like Bran in this way, although Bran's powers are strongers. From watching the show, I don't think this angle was developed at all. 

I don't remember.  It's been a long time. 

Orell is the wildling warg.  He has a shadowcat and a hawk and when he dies he gets stuck in the hawk... I think.

I know that when Jon and the Halfhand were tracking wildlings Jon was able to see through Ghost's eyes when Ghost found their camp and he was warged in to him when Ghost got attacked by Orell's hawk.  That's how he knew it was really happening and he wasn't dreaming, because he found the injured Ghost last that day.

[ttt]

Jun 1, 2015 7:22:58 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

SO, I thought it was interesting that Dany is so out of touch that she hadn't heard that Tyrion had killed Tywin and seemed surprised that he was on the run. Its just more of the same with her basically having no idea what she is doing as a ruler or what she has to overcome if she thinks she is going to take the iron throne. Tyrion is a huge asset to her.

Love Jon Snow. Great episode. Really one of the best. For a minute though, I thought we were going to get a new female Wildling character who would be badass and kick ass, but apparently she became a zombie. Boo.

And I am waiting for some good Got/TWD combined memes and can't find anything yet.

I knew the moment she put her children in the boat and told them she was right behind them that she was toast.

Tyrion is the best thing to happen to Dany. She may finally have a chance now.

[MrsAxilla]

What about the windings in Hardhome calling Jon King Crow? I don't recall that from the books, but they call him that (sarcastically) more than once. Foreshadowing?

[LoveTrains]

Jun 1, 2015 7:46:20 GMT -5 @silver said:

Jun 1, 2015 7:42:43 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

I could have sworn he warged into some animals when he was with the wildlings. There is that other wildling guy (the Thane? then?) that can warg into the bird, right? Doesn't Jon Snow do some warging at the same time? 

that is why I said that in the books, we have the sense that Jon is very much like Bran in this way, although Bran's powers are strongers. From watching the show, I don't think this angle was developed at all. 

I don't remember.  It's been a long time. 

Orell is the wildling warg.  He has a shadowcat and a hawk and when he dies he gets stuck in the hawk... I think.

I know that when Jon and the Halfhand were tracking wildlings Jon was able to see through Ghost's eyes when Ghost found their camp and he was warged in to him when Ghost got attacked by Orell's hawk.  That's how he knew it was really happening and he wasn't dreaming, because he found the injured Ghost last that day.

Right....so we did see jon warg in the book. That does NOT happen at all in the show, which is why I was just saying that I think the idea of him warging into Ghost would not necessarily fit into the narrative presented by the show. I would think the melisandre theory makes more sense in the context of the show. 

[LoveTrains]

Jun 1, 2015 7:57:48 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

What about the windings in Hardhome calling Jon King Crow? I don't recall that from the books, but they call him that (sarcastically) more than once. Foreshadowing?

Of what?

[MrsAxilla]

Jun 1, 2015 8:02:33 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

Jun 1, 2015 7:57:48 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

What about the windings in Hardhome calling Jon King Crow? I don't recall that from the books, but they call him that (sarcastically) more than once. Foreshadowing?

Of what?

IDK.  The North, maybe?  I was thinking about the Three Headed Dragon, and King Crow, and Tryion telling Dani that the way to get what she wants is to change what she wants (ie not the Iron Throne).  It seemed like foreshadowing.  The "real war" will be against the White Walkers; how do you defeat the millions in the army of the dead?  Dragon glass, dragon steel, ACTUAL dragons, fire gods... They all join forces against the WW, and when it's all said and done, Dani stays in the east, Jon rules the North, and Tyrion returns to rule Westeros.  

IDK, I thought I had it all figured out last night, but it's foggy now - lol.

[LoveTrains]

Jun 1, 2015 8:31:55 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Jun 1, 2015 8:02:33 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

Of what?

IDK.  The North, maybe?  I was thinking about the Three Headed Dragon, and King Crow, and Tryion telling Dani that the way to get what she wants is to change what she wants (ie not the Iron Throne).  It seemed like foreshadowing.  The "real war" will be against the White Walkers; how do you defeat the millions in the army of the dead?  Dragon glass, dragon steel, ACTUAL dragons, fire gods... They all join forces against the WW, and when it's all said and done, Dani stays in the east, Jon rules the North, and Tyrion returns to rule Westeros.  

IDK, I thought I had it all figured out last night, but it's foggy now - lol.

I like the theory of them all joining forces for the "real war" against the white walkers. But I see that if they win with dragons and dragon steel that perhaps that cements Dani's claim to the Iron Throne as the ruler of Westeros. IDK. But I love all these ideas that everyone is coming up with!

[MrsAxilla]

Jun 1, 2015 8:46:57 GMT -5 LoveTrains said:

Jun 1, 2015 8:31:55 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

IDK.  The North, maybe?  I was thinking about the Three Headed Dragon, and King Crow, and Tryion telling Dani that the way to get what she wants is to change what she wants (ie not the Iron Throne).  It seemed like foreshadowing.  The "real war" will be against the White Walkers; how do you defeat the millions in the army of the dead?  Dragon glass, dragon steel, ACTUAL dragons, fire gods... They all join forces against the WW, and when it's all said and done, Dani stays in the east, Jon rules the North, and Tyrion returns to rule Westeros.  

IDK, I thought I had it all figured out last night, but it's foggy now - lol.

I like the theory of them all joining forces for the "real war" against the white walkers. But I see that if they win with dragons and dragon steel that perhaps that cements Dani's claim to the Iron Throne as the ruler of Westeros. IDK. But I love all these ideas that everyone is coming up with!

I think they HAVE to join forces, don't they?  I don't see any other way to defeat the WWs.

[eclaires]

Even if Dany offers her dragons and joins them, Jon's claim to the throne is stronger if there is proof Rhaeger wed Lyanna.

There is a lot of King foreshadowing in the books for Jon.

[ttt]

I suppose Jon and Dany getting married is a bit too obvious, right? Not that I want them to, but it would seem a logical way to consolidate power.

[litebright]

Jun 1, 2015 7:22:58 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

For a minute though, I thought we were going to get a new female Wildling character who would be badass and kick ass, but apparently she became a zombie. Boo.

I figured she was toast when she promised her kids she'd be right behind them (doing that in GoT puts a target on you!), but I was actually disappointed with getting and losing that character in an episode, and the way it was handled. She was great for that short time. And I mean, really, she puts her babies on a boat and is kicking ass and taking names, then loses it when she sees the young wights and apparently just gives up and LETS them kill her? 

It left a bad taste in my mouth. Even with all the shit that GRRM/GoT dishes out to women, it does have some excellent women characters and it hadn't occurred to me before last night that the thing that all the strong, "good" warrior women (Brienne, Arya, even Dany) have in common is that they don't have kids -- sorry, dragons don't count. I felt like that death last night seemed like a more blatant attempt to say that being a mother makes you weak as a warrior, instead of, say, that it gives you something to fight even harder for. Very tellingly, they didn't show any of the men being affected by, or even interacting with, the kid-wights.