Sources Say Biden is running

[ESF]

I can't manage to embed the tweets, so you just get links. ETA oh apparently if you just paste a twitter link into a post, the tweet gets embedded like magic. OK then.

www.fox5ny.com/news/36071935-story

FOX sources: Biden to announce presidential run

NEW YORK (FOX 5 NY) - Sources tell FOX News Senior White House Correspondent Ed Henry that Vice President Joe Biden will enter the presidential race.

There has been heavy speculation that Biden would run for the Democratic nomination. It was unclear, however, if he would be willing to endure the campaign trail following the death of his son earlier this year.

U.S. Rep. Brendan Boyle (D-PA-13) took to social media Monday to say Biden would be running.

Calls within the party for Biden to run have been fueled by concerns over Hillary Rodham Clinton's email controversy and declining popularity. Her strong debate performance last week dampened some of that talk.

[heyjude]

Blah.

[jeaniebueller]

Ugh...why?

[CallingAllAngels]

Ugh.

[Velar Fricative]

I admit I may vote for him but I am wondering why he's going to decide to run NOW, after this first debate showed that the Ds are doing just fine and there is no need to throw another name into the hat.

ETA: Plus, why is that rep even tweeting about this? 

[downtoearth]

Oct 19, 2015 14:03:13 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I admit I may vote for him but I am wondering why he's going to decide to run NOW, after this first debate showed that the Ds are doing just fine and there is no need to throw another name into the hat.

See, this is why I wouldn't vote for him, He can't read his own party IMO.

[heyjude]

Oct 19, 2015 14:06:31 GMT -5 toledo said:

This whole prolonged tease is really pissing me off at this point. Run or don't run, Joe, but I'm fucking sick of hearing about your slow decision-making skills.

Like for realsies.

[Deleted]

It's good for Sanders I think. People who would be more inclined towards Hilary might be swayed towards Biden and vice versa.

[mrshandy]

Ugh...I don't know what to think about this. But maybe they know some bad stuff is going to come out in the Benghazi hearings.

[jeaniebueller]

Oct 19, 2015 14:08:45 GMT -5 CheeringCharm said:

It's good for Sanders I think. People who would be more inclined towards Hilary might be swayed towards Biden and vice versa.

Nope.

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/conditions-go-bad-worse-gops-benghazi-committee

ETA: I didn't meant quote you, CheeringCharm, I meant to quote mrshandy re: Benghazi. Sorry!

[pixy0stix]

NO JOE! WHY?!

[downtoearth]

Bill O'Reilly loves the idea to add "drama" to the race. He also said a month or so ago, "Biden has been meeting with President Obama, Democratic donors, advisors and party leaders, such as Elizabeth Warren."

Oh, yeah, I can totes see Senator Warren supporting Biden over HRC or Bernie. ^o)

[chedifuen]

Ugh, no! I adore Biden and hate to see him lose but I'm not going to vote for him either.

[josieposy]

I was really hoping he wouldn't after the debate, but the only logical explanation I can think of is like PP said that maybe some bad shit is coming.

[raangoli]

Oct 19, 2015 14:06:31 GMT -5 toledo said:

This whole prolonged tease is really pissing me off at this point. Run or don't run, Joe, but I'm fucking sick of hearing about your slow decision-making skills.

This. It does not bode well that you can't shit or get off the pot already.

[eclaires]

::thumbs down::

I actually kind of prefer when the VP doesn't run. I like that both groups end up with a more open primary.

[heyjude]

I think he is running for the same reason so many are running in the GOP: hubris

[smock]

This is really bad timing on Joe's part--why wait until after the first debate, especially when Hillary performed so well?

If it's because he can't make a decision, or can't read his party, or has generally terrible timing, that's not good.

[downtoearth]

josieposy and mrshandy - why the jump to assuming that Biden would only run if he had inside info about HRC going to give out negative info?  Why would HRC share her hand with Biden and what would he know that she doesn't?  I assume she's probably not shared much with him since he's been wishy-washy about running against her.  She did say once he was a "friend" and should do what he thinks is best, and she is fine with him in the race. 

I guess I see it as Biden thinks he can court the old-school men in the party and come away with the nomination over HRC and Bernie.  But there are many polls (now I sound like Trump) that show that Biden stepping in results in a Bernie nomination, not a Biden win. Plus, he has been involved in a lot of the Obama foreign issues and that is probably Obama's weakest area of improvement, therefore Biden doesn't look strong with respect to that.

ETA: Maybe he's going back to his blue collar/worker campaign of past.  He was a big union supporter years ago, right? Maybe he thinks Bernie and Hillary aren't taping into the middle to lower class vote?

[blink]

Maybe I'm just too tired, but this seems unnecessary. But I am prepared to eat my words if he does actually throw his hat in and some campaign ending shit comes out.

ETA: And the fact that he waited until after the debate where HRC did kick ass, I dunno, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Like he couldn't handle her doing well. 

[josieposy]

Oct 19, 2015 14:34:54 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

josieposy and mrshandy - why the jump to assuming that Biden would only run if he had inside info about HRC going to give out negative info?

Because I watch too many movies.

[mrshandy]

Oct 19, 2015 14:35:55 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Oct 19, 2015 14:34:54 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

josieposy and mrshandy - why the jump to assuming that Biden would only run if he had inside info about HRC going to give out negative info?

Because I watch too many movies.

I guess my thought is. Time is running out. He should have done this a month+ ago if he was going to run. I guess he doesn't lack for name recognition so that will help him. It's the timing of it that makes me wonder what's going on. Right before she's going to testify and after she had a strong debate performance.

[msmerymac]

Woot PA District 13!


But yeah, I see NO benefit. I know in many states, he needs to declare by December. But it really seems the best course of action is to see if HRC goes down hard over the email thing. If not (and I doubt she will), he should stay out, because he's just going to muddy the waters.

[msmerymac]

On Meet the Press, someone mentioned that he can't and won't say what he would need to in order to get to the top: "Sorry, Hils, I love you, but you have too much baggage to be elected, and even if you are, you can't work with the Republicans to get stuff done." True or not, a lot of people would believe that.

Also, people would not be enthused about him ruining the chances of the most likely woman president we've had yet.

[downtoearth]

Oct 19, 2015 14:41:52 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

On Meet the Press, someone mentioned that he can't and won't say what he would need to in order to get to the top: "Sorry, Hils, I love you, but you have too much baggage to be elected, and even if you are, you can't work with the Republicans to get stuff done." True or not, a lot of people would believe that.

Also, people would not be enthused about him ruining the chances of the most likely woman president we've had yet.

Yeah, that statement would ruin his chances of getting a VP nomination from HRC or Bernie after.

[msmerymac]

Oct 19, 2015 14:03:13 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I admit I may vote for him but I am wondering why he's going to decide to run NOW, after this first debate showed that the Ds are doing just fine and there is no need to throw another name into the hat.

ETA: Plus, why is that rep even tweeting about this? 

Did you see the letter that the senator from DE sent the other day? Speculation is that Biden actually wrote it. He's leaking this stuff and making it look like it's coming from others in the party. 

[WanderingWinoZ]

Put me in the "not excited" column

[WanderingWinoZ]

Oct 19, 2015 14:45:00 GMT -5 downtoearth said:

Oct 19, 2015 14:41:52 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

On Meet the Press, someone mentioned that he can't and won't say what he would need to in order to get to the top: "Sorry, Hils, I love you, but you have too much baggage to be elected, and even if you are, you can't work with the Republicans to get stuff done." True or not, a lot of people would believe that.

Also, people would not be enthused about him ruining the chances of the most likely woman president we've had yet.

Yeah, that statement would ruin his chances of getting a VP nomination from HRC or Bernie after.

The other bugger is that he is still part of the Obama administration & can't speak out against anythin Obama is currently doing (Hello TPP agreement!)  HRC can and has recently taken several positions that are counter the current administration so that she can have some space between her & Biden if he gets in & criticize the current Obama policies.

[heyjude]

The absurdity of Biden's decision: (per Vox)


June 17, 2015

When will Biden decide? By August 1.
According to whom? "Two Democratic sources who have been in contact with his family," per US News & World Report.
July 18, 2015

When will Biden decide? "At the end of the summer, targeted for September."
According to whom? "People close to Biden," per the Huffington Post.
August 1, 2015

When will Biden decide? Expected by early September.
According to whom? "Confidants," per the New York Times.
August 8, 2015

When will Biden decide? A decision is expected shortly after he returns from a vacation that ends August 13.
According to whom? "His aides and supporters," per the Associated Press.
September 4, 2015

When will Biden decide? His plans "could remain unsettled well into the fall."
According to whom? Biden himself, per the Wall Street Journal.
September 10, 2015

When will Biden decide? He's extended his timetable to "late September or early October, or possibly even later."
According to whom? "Biden's aides," per AP.
October 1, 2015

When will Biden decide? "Likely" in "the second half of October."
According to whom? "people close to him," per CNN.
October 3, 2015

When will Biden decide? "As early as within the next seven to 10 days" (hyped in headline as "in the next week").
According to whom? "Three people familiar with his deliberations," per CBS News.
October 5, 2015

When will Biden decide? "Next weekend, or shortly thereafter" (hyped in headline as "weekend decision").
According to whom? "Confidants," per Politico.
October 16, 2015 (mid-afternoon)

When will Biden decide? "Announcement that he's in race could leak out Sunday or Monday."
According to whom? "Bidenworld," per New York magazine's Gabriel Sherman.
October 16, 2015 (late afternoon)

When will Biden decide? "In the coming days," and "signs point to him running," though he "could still pull back."
According to whom? "People familiar with the matter," per the Wall Street Journal.
October 19, 2015 (early morning)

When will Biden decide? It "could come within 48 hours."
According to whom? "Two sources," per NBC News.
October 19, 2015 (mid-morning)

When will Biden decide? The timing of when he'd announce isn't clear, but "Vice President Biden is likely to run."
According to whom? "Three solid sources," per Fox News.
October 19, 2015 (mid-afternoon)

When will Biden decide? He's "genuinely undecided" and there's no timeline for a decision, but "time is nigh."
According to whom? "A person involved in" Biden's deliberations, per ABC News's Jonathan Karl.
This piece has been updated with new anonymously sourced reports on Biden's decision-making process.

[heyjude]

...so as of mid afternoon today (as opposed to this am) he is still "undecided." It's only 1 PM PST though.