MSNBC: (a) it is apparently 1000 degrees in the. (B) fucking Chris Matthews just said Trump hit all the "erogenous" zones of the base. And he asked Joy to define "dystopian". Come on, goofball.
I'm pretty sure he does that to help the people watching. A friend who does a weekly podcast takes the same role, just in case listeners are getting lost or don't understand. Chris is an idiot but he's not dumb.
MSNBC: (a) it is apparently 1000 degrees in the. (B) fucking Chris Matthews just said Trump hit all the "erogenous" zones of the base. And he asked Joy to define "dystopian". Come on, goofball.
I'm pretty sure he does that to help the people watching. A friend who does a weekly podcast takes the same role, just in case listeners are getting lost or don't understand. Chris is an idiot but he's not dumb.
No I know that. He's just... Such a tool. He talks over Joy like whoa and just told her she's the only one who doesn't appreciate how amazing Ivanka's elocution was. Though he did just call out some important dog whistle moments: vouchers for "safe schools" "law and order" etc.
I'm in a similar situation, and this may sound awful to some people, but we agreed that neither of us will cast a vote for president. We always vote absentee and fill out ballots together, and we will just leave president blank. He hates trump, but he hates Clinton just as much and can't stomach our house being net Clinton. I'm ok with his because I'm not worried about California actually going to trump. I can tolerate this more than him voting trump.
When people on campaigns talk about women whose husbands tell them how to vote I'm always like "noooo. That doesn't ducking happen, right??
This is some fucking bullshit.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.
I'm pretty sure he does that to help the people watching. A friend who does a weekly podcast takes the same role, just in case listeners are getting lost or don't understand. Chris is an idiot but he's not dumb.
No I know that. He's just... Such a tool. He talks over Joy like whoa and just told her she's the only one who doesn't appreciate how amazing Ivanka's elocution was. Though he did just call out some important dog whistle moments: vouchers for "safe schools" "law and order" etc.
Yeah, he's easily snowed and taken in by the cult of personality. He's obviously gaga over Ivanka. And he is a giant tool.
When people on campaigns talk about women whose husbands tell them how to vote I'm always like "noooo. That doesn't ducking happen, right??
This is some fucking bullshit.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.
So let him vote trump and you vote Hillary and there you go? My dad cancelled out my vote my whole life but I never would have thought that it was a one to one wash and just not voted. That's teally weird to me. But to each their own.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.
So let him vote trump and you vote Hillary and there you go? My dad cancelled out my vote my whole life but I never would have thought that it was a one to one wash and just not voted. That's teally weird to me. But to each their own.
Yeah, and then take ten friends with you to the polls. Now who's cancelled out, motherfucker?!?
When people on campaigns talk about women whose husbands tell them how to vote I'm always like "noooo. That doesn't ducking happen, right??
This is some fucking bullshit.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.
It just sounds like a threat but voting is a right - your right and his right. I am not one to tell people what they should do, but.....
Post by WanderingWinoZ on Jul 22, 2016 5:44:16 GMT -5
wowzers...off to read some real commentary. i'm so glad ai went to bed early...can't believe how long it went on. that cartoon posted earlier is so the truth & i may have to break my 'no politics with friends/family' rule and start trying to stop people from voting for him.
vBut as we went past the few minutes something started to change. The substance of the speech began to get darker and more aggressive. Even more importantly Trump slowly slipped the bonds of the speech itself - not the words, which he mainly kept to, but whatever emotive guardrails it might have placed around him. There were more wild hand gesticulations. His face grew redder. And at some relatively early point he started yelling and went on to do that for something like an hour. Well before a half hour whatever concern I'd had was gone. It seemed impossible not to see that the man giving the speech didn't seem remotely like the guy his introducers talked about. This guy was angry and intense and pretty dead set on scaring people.
Coming up on an hour I was feeling amazed that this man whose face had gotten very red was basically yelling about America as some dystopic hellhole. Everybody takes for granted - rightly or wrongly - that an acceptance speech is supposed to be commanding, humanizing, perhaps critical of the status quo you intend to replace but nonetheless fundamentally positive. This was not an admonition Trump heeded.
Somehow, even though he had a prepared speech and mainly kept to it, as time went on the rabble rousing speaker from the primary rallies managed to come fully into view, the whole raging package. I have no doubt it got his existing supporters very charged. But there was very little I saw that I thought non-supporters or currently uncommitted voters would find appealing or compelling or even just not scary. Along the way of course there were bizarre interludes like his concern trollish pledge to allow the gays to come under his dominance umbrella for safety. But these moments were more discordant and weird than anything else.
The other part of the equation was that I was surprised how much Clinton seemed to fade from view in the second half of the speech. After the early attacks focused on foreign policy, she just seemed to recede into the background with the occasional exception of references to "my opponent." That struck me as odd and I don't think it was good for Trump.
Taken together, given the opportunity to present a more scripted, more soft edged Trump, his campaign managed to end up with someone who looked and acted pretty much like what I remember from the primary phase of the campaign. It was a dark, incredibly pessimistic view of America presented by someone who went almost an hour yelling at me. If you weren't already in the emotional space Trump inhabits I don't think it was anything likely to pull people into Trump's camp who wasn't already there.
If you've read me for a long time you probably realize that I'm basically a traditionalist. This apocalyptic hell hole is my home. I love her. And I always will. I clearly wasn't the audience for this speech. But it was not one that I think would have much appeal for anyone not already in the audience. At the end of the day, Trump can only be Trump. His brand is dominance. Would be autocrats need disorder and violence to validate and necessitate their rule. He played that to the hilt. It was the full package and in its own way powerful ... if you were already for Trump.
Post by WanderingWinoZ on Jul 22, 2016 6:08:02 GMT -5
AS stuff-
11:25 p.m. Now he wants a total fusion of politics and religion, by allowing tax exempt churches to be directly involved in political campaigning. I think he sees the evangelical movement rather like Putin sees the Russian Orthodox church.
11:23 p.m. That was a real chant from the audience: “Yes You Will!” “Yes You Will!” A total worship of a strongman. Compare it with “Yes We Can.”
11:20 p.m. He will end student debt and pay for a big increase in military sending by leveraging NATO allies. None of this makes any fiscal sense, especially given a $9 trillion tax cut.
It’s also striking how the concept of “freedom” is utterly absent from this speech. It’s all about government power – or rather the near-miraculous powers of a strongman.
11:09 p.m. Having spent the better part of the last 30 years trying to immigrate to America, the idea that we have “uncontrolled immigration” seems positively surreal to me. It’s incredibly hard, onerous, nerve-wracking and super-expensive to immigrate to America. It should be easier, not harder.
11:05 p.m. Have you noticed how Trump thinks all these deep problems can be solved quickly? Always fast. Always obvious. As if everyone else in government in both parties is either stupid or malevolent.
Post by WanderingWinoZ on Jul 22, 2016 6:10:07 GMT -5
This is a horrible speech. His delivery is worse. He also keeps pivoting to foreign affairs, global issues – seemingly because his ego can’t be contained within the boundaries of the domestic. At moments he starts screaming just to raise his bile up to wake himself up. To get that bit of rage-high. He’s bored to death otherwise. Trying desperately to contain his ADD.
10:52 p.m. We allegedly have more violence than Trump has ever seen in his lifetime. It seems he can say nothing except in the broadest hyperboles. And suddenly he’s saying he wants to be the voice of the black urban poor? The head keeps spinning.
10:49 p.m. And now you see why strongmen need the perception of “violence and terrorism and lawlessness.” He’s right, of course, abut the need to back law enforcement. But to use that as a political cudgel, to imply that the current president doesn’t have the back of the country’s cops, is deeply corrosive of the very order he says he wants to protect.
I can not even tell you how many times I've listened to this song in the past 24 hours. And I hope HRC uses this as her song to walk on stage and accept the nomination.
The speech was written by a 30-year-old former aide to Sen. Jefferson Davis Sessions.
Of course it was heavy on racism, hyperbole, and vague promises. More and more I think DT is just the face of this thing and the governing will be done by a small group of silver spoon millennials.
I get it's pretty harmless in it of itself. But with all the awkward quotes he's made about dating his daughter and then pointing at Melania's tits after her speech on Monday. Creepy.
Honestly that set the tone for me reaching peak rage. That song is the song I used to sing to my babies before bed time. It's my favorite song, and I love George Harrison. He is my favorite Beatle.
Ironically I think that Ivanka and the others behind Trump wanted that to be what they were selling - here comes the sun - but trump literally cannot do anything but yell random garbage because it gets him applause and feeds his ego.
I just don't know how anyone can watch that speech and think "yeah that's my guy," or really anything other than "that man shouldn't even be able to read the constitution, let alone be its top defender."
I get it's pretty harmless in it of itself. But with all the awkward quotes he's made about dating his daughter and then pointing at Melania's tits after her speech on Monday. Creepy.
Her body language shows she is clearly not okay with it. She turns away and looks like she is going to move his arm. Her smile is awkward as well.
eclaires I Know!! When you posted about singing that to your babies, my heart broke because I have a very specific memory of driving around town in my Dad's big farm truck singing this song to his Beatles 8-track. Sigh.
Hence H & I cheering when we saw George's* response on the news this am (I meant to tag you in my post, but think it was too early; glad you saw right away!)
I get it's pretty harmless in it of itself. But with all the awkward quotes he's made about dating his daughter and then pointing at Melania's tits after her speech on Monday. Creepy.
Her body language shows she is clearly not okay with it. She turns away and looks like she is going to move his arm. Her smile is awkward as well.
My first thought was, "dad! Not right now!" Which gave me the heebie jeebies, but it is what it is.
When people on campaigns talk about women whose husbands tell them how to vote I'm always like "noooo. That doesn't ducking happen, right??
This is some fucking bullshit.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.
This might be flameful, but in this situation I would go vote for HRC and just not tell him that I voted. And not even feel bad about it.
ETA: my quoting is all messed up. Meant to quote boxertdog
My Grandpa still makes a list for my aunts to take with them to the polls.
He's a ultra conservative Christian and so is the rest of my extended family. It pisses me off every single election. Like, form your own thoughts and opinions and vote accordingly. Or take the time to research the candidates - even if they would still vote straight down the party lines, that's better than just blindly casting a vote based on who hates gay people the most.
When people on campaigns talk about women whose husbands tell them how to vote I'm always like "noooo. That doesn't ducking happen, right??
This is some fucking bullshit.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.
I get it's pretty harmless in it of itself. But with all the awkward quotes he's made about dating his daughter and then pointing at Melania's tits after her speech on Monday. Creepy.
Her body language shows she is clearly not okay with it. She turns away and looks like she is going to move his arm. Her smile is awkward as well.
The way her arm snaps back tells me all I need to know.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
When people on campaigns talk about women whose husbands tell them how to vote I'm always like "noooo. That doesn't ducking happen, right??
This is some fucking bullshit.
This was actually my idea. I know how much he loathes Hillary, and so I asked him how he planned to vote. He was leaning toward Trump and said that if I voted for Hillary then he would definitely go Trump. That thought revolted me and I suggested we both abstain. He agreed. I understand this situation might not work for you at all. this works for me, and is an ongoing discussion. If I told him tomorrow that I was going to vote Hillary, he would not try to dissuade me. He would, however, vote trump.