Post by pantsparty on Jul 25, 2016 18:49:18 GMT -5
I would also worry about a backtrack in title in addition to the pay cut. I think it will make it more difficult to reach that level again, if that's something you want.
I generally prefer a stable company but the more I think about it, even if Company 2 goes broke you will have that title and pay in your resume so I say Job 2, especially since I think you said your H earns less than you did. So unless Job 1 is something you feel passionate about - or has tremendous potential for the stock to do well - I pick 2. Hope you get an offer!
Post by MixedBerryJam on Jul 25, 2016 18:54:54 GMT -5
This is probably a dumb question but with the longer commute is public transportation an option? I might take #2 if I could be productive on the commute. But working all day, plus a 2-hour drive, plus probably having to bring work home with me at least sometimes would weigh heavily against #2. How drastic a lifestyle change would the salary decrease in #1 require. Could you afford to live on that salary because that whole situation just sounds more balanced to me. #1 being a national company also kind of translates to more secure and more growth potential.
I don't think it's the answer you want, but job #1 would be my choice.
Can I ask, though, what the deal is with the condo? If you don't work at all, the rental income isn't enough to maintain your lifestyle and therefore you need the money from the sale? If that's the case, does the rental income make up a decent chunk of the payout for Job #1?
What do you think about young ambitious Job #1 boss? Would you be okay reporting to her? Does she seem supportive of you and willing to help you move up faster? More importantly, do you get a sense that she would be threatened by you?
How close does Mr. Mo live to home? Is his job flexible enough so that he could come home if he needed to with little difficulty?
Any possibility of doing atypical hours at Job 2 to minimize traffic? 7am-4pm?
For me jobs tend to come down to three things: how fun and interesting the position is, the pay, and the commute.
It sounds like Job #1 has two points in its favor for those three categories, with pay being the big point in job #2's favor. Would it really be 15 years to get up to the higher salary, or would you be able to work 2-3 years at the lower salary and then leave and take that experience and turn it into a higher salary at another company? This is a game a lot of people in my industry have to play in order to get more significant raises - they'd work at my old company with a stagnant salary a while, leave for a year or two and get a big pay bump at a competitor, then come back to the same company at a higher salary. (This may be entirely not applicable here, I have no idea how lawyer salaries work.)
As an aside, an hour commute would likely result in me murdering someone. My commuting road rage tends to start boiling at the 30 minute mark and grows exponentially for each 5 minutes I suffer in traffic beyond that.
Post by underwaterrhymes on Jul 25, 2016 19:06:20 GMT -5
I will add, the job I recently took is at least an hour each way. It's rarely more than an hour in, but on really bad days it's been as much an hour and forty-five home.
I love the team, I love the company, I love the job, and my prospects for growth are huge, so it's worth it.
H does all of the drop offs and pick ups, so I don't actually wind up missing all that much time with them.
Take the $$ out of the equation for a minute- what job really appeals to you and you feel would make you happier??
There's a point where you need to do what makes you HAPPY. We've both been around long enough that you may have heard this story, but I'm going to share it anyhow.
DH was an attorney. He crashed and burned out of the field. We went from a 6 figure salary to him making nothing then he took up tutoring which netted us MAYBE $12K that year? I was working and making a somewhat decent salary (but not 6 figures) AND this is when I got PG and had a kid.
He eventually got into the tug industry. Started as a deckhand and has made his way up (now at 7 years) to a mate's position. He makes close to what I make, but I'm still the breadwinner. And I still make less than 6 figures.
He is SO MUCH HAPPIER with his job and his life. He was truly depressed when he crashed and burned.
$$ in nice and you alone can really decide what you can or can't afford, but money is NOT everything and I feel you've got to look past the $$ at some point. This may be your chance to really make a change that will end up being a great change for you.
It sucks to lose the $. I wn't lie. But there was a trade-off and it was worth it.
How do you think the first boss would be to interact with daily? I've worked for ambitious people that made me throw up daily due to stress and ambitious people that I loved and enjoyed interacting with. That's usually what I look at most, having been miserable in a law firm where nobody lasted more than 1.5 years aged me exponentially.
Eta: I voted 2 bc that's a fuck ton of money to give up and I'd only do it for some dream job, everyone holds hands and loves each other, it's been enchanted with fairy dust, kind of job
I'm glad you picked up on that.
Working for a younger version of myself could mean I might never get ahead at that company because she's already ahead of me.
If you can afford job 1, I say go for it. A long commute and a boring job even if it's familiar to you would be grating and cause low morale. What are the chances of pay increases for the first job? Congratulations to you:) Eta: if working at 1 makes you more marketable, I'd suck it up and do that. The Assistant GC is going to force you to pull more hours in my experience.
I actually think being AGC makes me even more marketable, no?
I tend to seek stability, so I may choose Job 1, even though there is a paycut.
Is there a chance Job 2 ia not going to maintain in house counsel? If so, how big a chance? Would your position be the first they'd cut if they needed to?
#2 all the way and I despise commuting. I'm not taking title cuts at this stage in my career and neither should you, unless it's a dream job or a total switch. Like if hypothetically you were a healthcare lawyer and decided to become an FAA expert because flying is your DESTINY or something.
I'm surprised that so many people voted for a pay cut. I'm an in house lawyer, and unless I'm going part time, there is no way I'm taking that kind of pay cut.
Is there the potential for work from home? I work for a big global company and work from home 100% of the time now. 5 years ago I wasn't allowed to at all. Huge shift, and without that commute, this is really a no brainer.
It could simply be the difference between big and small companies. I'm in-house, but one of three lawyers for the whole damn company. Comp just isn't as high in small law departments.
When DH was unemployed for a while right before Frank was born it gave him the opportunity to start a new career and it's worked out amazing for him/us, so I really get that appeal from job #1. But I don't know if I would be ok with that large of a pay cut (I know, it's more than you're making now).
How quickly can you move up at job #1(salary, title, etc.?), can you do pro bono work in the new field to gain experience and move laterally in a few years if you're more interested in that area than the area of job #2?
I don't think it's the answer you want, but job #1 would be my choice.
Can I ask, though, what the deal is with the condo? If you don't work at all, the rental income isn't enough to maintain your lifestyle and therefore you need the money from the sale? If that's the case, does the rental income make up a decent chunk of the payout for Job #1?
Correct re condo.
Rental income + Job 1 is STILL a paycut.
And, mind you, I will have said rental income with Job 2, too.
For me jobs tend to come down to three things: how fun and interesting the position is, the pay, and the commute.
It sounds like Job #1 has two points in its favor for those three categories, with pay being the big point in job #2's favor. Would it really be 15 years to get up to the higher salary, or would you be able to work 2-3 years at the lower salary and then leave and take that experience and turn it into a higher salary at another company? This is a game a lot of people in my industry have to play in order to get more significant raises - they'd work at my old company with a stagnant salary a while, leave for a year or two and get a big pay bump at a competitor, then come back to the same company at a higher salary. (This may be entirely not applicable here, I have no idea how lawyer salaries work.)
As an aside, an hour commute would likely result in me murdering someone. My commuting road rage tends to start boiling at the 30 minute mark and grows exponentially for each 5 minutes I suffer in traffic beyond that.
But why would I waste time at Job 1 to jump for a higher salary when I could be at Job 2 and jump for an even higher salary?
What do you think about young ambitious Job #1 boss? Would you be okay reporting to her? Does she seem supportive of you and willing to help you move up faster? More importantly, do you get a sense that she would be threatened by you?
How close does Mr. Mo live to home? Is his job flexible enough so that he could come home if he needed to with little difficulty?
Any possibility of doing atypical hours at Job 2 to minimize traffic? 7am-4pm?
I'm texting you with actual companies and numbers shortly. LOL.