Ok if I'm understanding this right, your realtor recommended a (apparently) super creepy contractor. Who in turn recommended a super creepy architect. You see the architect today, and then the contractor calls you?
Based on observation of approximately 7 seasons of criminal minds, these two creeps are in it together.
no, she ran into the architect in public, but she's not working with him now (ever?). the contractor worked on her house and then the contractor called her that night, and she believes it was him all along. she previously believed it was the architect because he was being aggressive/angry about a different issue, he knew her realtor, etc.
I think. maybe someone will chime in to yell at me now.
I think we are saying the same thing. In her last thread she said this:
OH! I forgot. When he started acting strangely I called the realtor who had recommended the handy man who recommended him (lol), and asked what she knows about him. She said she feels very uncomfortable with him and would never have recommended him.
I texted her last night asking if she thought there was any chance it might be him and she said that she saw him at a party at the weekend and he acted normal, BUT she has been getting No Caller ID calls too but hasn't answered any of them. She thought it might be an ex, but I'm wondering if it's him too. He's literally the only person we both know and her calls also started last week. .
Post by LeggsBenedict on Sept 4, 2016 8:51:44 GMT -5
turnipthebeet she saw both the contractor and the architect yesterday, though. so she didn't just see the architect who then told the contractor to harass her, which is what I thought you were implying.
but you're right, I forgot the contractor recommended the architect.
Post by themoneytree on Sept 4, 2016 10:35:34 GMT -5
Sorry guys it really was confusing!
1: Realtor recommends handyman. He in turn recommended the architect (who also knows the realtor) and then promptly left the job because the scope was much more complicated than first expected.
2: Architect does his job in a day but won't stop texting and calling me. Pretty much decided he wanted to take over project managing the job after the first guy left. Wouldn't take no for an answer and was acting creepy. I asked the realtor what she knew about him and she said she would never have recommended him and that he creeps her out. I told him not to contact me again and the calls started days later and I assume it was him. I check with realtor and she confirms she's been getting calls too. My friend finds his rap sheet and I freak out a bit.
3: Realtor recommended new contractor to replace the first. He's great, does a good job, pleasant to work with, no creepy vibes, can handle the job, etc. Now it looks like he's the worst of them all.
Points 2 and 3 happened pretty much consecutively, but I never even suspected the new contractor as he seems such a nice, normal guy whereas the architect comes across weirdly intense and creepy.
Post by Balki.Bartokomous on Sept 4, 2016 10:47:28 GMT -5
Was this latest call lewd too? Or did you not pick up but just let the software get his name? I'm thinking it was the latter, in which case I wouldn't rule out the architect just yet. I think no caller ID can be kind of common when dealing with businesses.
I'd pick up the next call and see if it's lewd without saying "Hi Bob" or anything. I'd also talk to the police and ask how they recommend you handle this. They might have some tips you haven't thought of or need you to record it in a certain way.
Post by yourmother on Sept 4, 2016 10:52:31 GMT -5
What a scary situation!
I hope you don't get anymore calls. But if you do, can you answer and "talk" to the person and see if it's a harassing phone call? How does the app work? Can you answer the no-caller-ID call and still have it trace the number? Or do you have to ignore the call before it will give you a number?
Post by yourmother on Sept 4, 2016 10:57:12 GMT -5
And I would want a little more proof that it's the new contractor before ruling out the weird architect. And I agree with everyone else to have your house swept for cameras, etc.
And if you do find out it's the nice contractor, I would NOT let him back into your house to finish the work. I'm no lawyer, but I can see that being used against you (allowing a suspected person of harassment back into your home).
Post by themoneytree on Sept 4, 2016 10:58:08 GMT -5
The calls are all No Caller ID.
I installed an ap which unmasks the call for you. This is the first call I have had since it was installed and it was new contractor. I did not pick up the phone.
The No Caller ID caller never leaves a message but will talk if I pick up the phone. It escalated from using my name and asking me what I'm doing and where I am to telling me he likes my big tits.
It was after the tits call that I installed the ap.
I'm assuming all calls have been from the same person but I suppose I could be wrong about that.
I have never had calls like this before so it seems unlikely that I would suddenly be getting them from multiple sources.
Post by killercupcake on Sept 4, 2016 11:05:41 GMT -5
So if I'm understanding, I get why you're nervous, but I don't think they're connected.
If new contractor was working at your house that day, it doesn't seem all that suspicious to me that he would call you. It's quite the coincidence that you would see old architect the same day, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're related.
Post by Saint Monica on Sept 4, 2016 11:06:57 GMT -5
I strongly recommend that you have the house swept for cameras. In 2009 I found one in the house i bought. The only reason it was found was bc the pipes froze and the drywall had to be removed. It was built into the drywall.
Post by sofamonkey on Sept 4, 2016 11:07:24 GMT -5
So, after installing the app to identify calls, you got one call. Did that have a lewd anything, or are you just assuming? And I am not making light of your situation at all. But if it wasn't lewd, it reads as coincidence based on the timeline. Unless all three were in on it from the beginning.
So if I'm understanding, I get why you're nervous, but I don't think they're connected.
If new contractor was working at your house that day, it doesn't seem all that suspicious to me that he would call you. It's quite the coincidence that you would see old architect the same day, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're related.
I don't think they are connected at all.
I think all the calls were from the new contractor all along. Which is creepy.
So if I'm understanding, I get why you're nervous, but I don't think they're connected.
If new contractor was working at your house that day, it doesn't seem all that suspicious to me that he would call you. It's quite the coincidence that you would see old architect the same day, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're related.
I don't think they are connected at all.
I think all the calls were from the new contractor all along. Which is creepy.
Oh. Okay.
You suspect that because his call came as no caller ID too?
I think if it pops up again you may have to answer to confirm, unfortunately.
So if I'm understanding, I get why you're nervous, but I don't think they're connected.
If new contractor was working at your house that day, it doesn't seem all that suspicious to me that he would call you. It's quite the coincidence that you would see old architect the same day, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're related.
But why would he block his number AND call at 10pm? Every other time he's called he doesn't block his number.
I would still hope/wait for one more call and answer to be 100% sure. And record it.
So if I'm understanding, I get why you're nervous, but I don't think they're connected.
If new contractor was working at your house that day, it doesn't seem all that suspicious to me that he would call you. It's quite the coincidence that you would see old architect the same day, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're related.
But why would he block his number AND call at 10pm? Every other time he's called he doesn't block his number.
I would still hope/wait for one more call and answer to be 100% sure. And record it.
Exactly. A blocked number at almost 11pm with no message left when I've only been having blocked numbers for a few weeks seems like more than a coincidence.
I probably will answer next time to see what gets said, but I heard that answering encourages the behavior and I don't really want to encourage this.
Calls started shorty after I told architect not to contact me again and the new contractor started work. It could have been either but it looks like I made the wrong assumption.
Fwiw, I would have assumed it was someone is recently fired who was also kind of creepy vs the nice new guy is just hired.
I guess that's the plot for every movie and tv show ever. But why would someone who you're paying do this? It just doesn't make sense. Of course harassing someone doesn't make sense either. It's probably more likely you would have picked up on new guy sooner if you didn't have creepy architect as a comparison point.
But why would he block his number AND call at 10pm? Every other time he's called he doesn't block his number.
I would still hope/wait for one more call and answer to be 100% sure. And record it.
Exactly. A blocked number at almost 11pm with no message left when I've only been having blocked numbers for a few weeks seems like more than a coincidence.
I probably will answer next time to see what gets said, but I heard that answering encourages the behavior and I don't really want to encourage this.
Calls started shorty after I told architect not to contact me again and the new contractor started work. It could have been either but it looks like I made the wrong assumption.
It's not encouraging the behavior if that's what gets you proof for a police report.
Check your state laws recording someone without their knowledge. Some states only require one party to know. That comes in handy in situations like these.
Post by yourmother on Sept 4, 2016 11:36:24 GMT -5
How violating it must feel to have received these calls and just know in your gut it's related to one of these people that have been in your home.
Honestly, I think you will need more proof before pointing the finger to the new contractor. I can see him explaining away that he called you from his home phone (or a different phone line) at 10pm but didn't leave a message because he realized it was too late and didn't want to disturb you. Ersumsuchshit.
I "liked" a post earlier about saying, "Hi Bob, blah blah blah". But I think you should go the other route and answer the calls and record them for solid proof. Then take it to the police and see what they can do about it. AND then make sure the home builder he works for is aware of the harassment.
I hope you don't get anymore calls. But if you do, can you answer and "talk" to the person and see if it's a harassing phone call? How does the app work? Can you answer the no-caller-ID call and still have it trace the number? Or do you have to ignore the call before it will give you a number?
The directions on TrapCall are to hit 'decline' when you get the blocked call. That bounces the call to their server where they return it to your phone using the real number. The caller does not know this is happening.
So last night I could have picked up the call after it was unblocked to see what he would say, but after the "I like your big tits" call I'm not that keen to answer any more of these blocked calls.
Sadly I think that's going to be the only way to really confirm one way or another.
Now I'm wondering how long it will take to get another call. There was a week between the "hi moneypit what are you doing" calls and the inappropriate one. Then another week and a half until last night's call. I think he'll call again soon because I didn't pick up.
The realtor also hadn't had one in the last week and a half and she downloaded TrapCall when I did. So if she gets a call that would be additional confirmation/ proof also.
A recording would really be best for proof but I guess that's why the creep never leaves voicemail.