What is the draw of dnc

[teflep]

Sept 8, 2012 22:15:19 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Sept 8, 2012 21:53:57 GMT -5 teflep said:

But the person that threw peanuts WAS NOT in Congress. It was Joe Schmoe Public and that is what Kirkette was referring to, it seems.

No, but he was there representing other GOP members - as a delegate who was there to vote on behalf of his state's party's constituents. Which means you need to keep that in mind. If someone is going to get called out for doing dumb shit while wearing their college sports uniform and therefore representing their school, you'd better believe a convention delegate is seen as representing their party. (This is a far cry from saying all Republicans are racist. More like "you need to do better vetting the people you want representing you.")

And they can also be alternative delegates or credentialed media. That could be anyone, it seems.not just a GOP rep.

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Sept 8, 2012 22:29:03 GMT -5 @kirkette said:

Sept 8, 2012 22:14:08 GMT -5 elle said:

You might not. But if the question is why people of color prefer the DNC, one plausible reason is the assessment on many, many levels that the GOP is hostile to people of color.

What would you consider a reliable watchdog entity on race issues? Does that entity rank the GOP higher than the DNC?

I have no clear answers to this, just more questions.
What are race issues? I'd be hesitant to lump people together and say, "This is for x people".
How can one rely on watch dog organizations especially in politics? Isn't it up to the individual to look at issues and see what holds true for self.

From the perspective of the individual, yes. From the perspective of the party (or any group engaged in advertising) seeking to appeal to a certain demographic, though, yes, the party should be paying attention to the watchdog groups. Same reason the AARP is so important. Not becaus all old people vote alike. But because it represents enough of them, and because it is respected enough, that it can be used as a proxy for the opinion of the whole.

[NitaX]

Sept 8, 2012 22:29:03 GMT -5 @kirkette said:

Sept 8, 2012 22:14:08 GMT -5 elle said:

You might not. But if the question is why people of color prefer the DNC, one plausible reason is the assessment on many, many levels that the GOP is hostile to people of color.

What would you consider a reliable watchdog entity on race issues? Does that entity rank the GOP higher than the DNC?

I have no clear answers to this, just more questions.
What are race issues? I'd be hesitant to lump people together and say, "This is for x people".
How can one rely on watch dog organizations especially in politics? Isn't it up to the individual to look at issues and see what holds true for self.

I think there are still "race issues" but most people see them as class issues. I actually think education is a key "race" issue. If your inner-city black kids are getting a crappy education, then what do you do to help them achieve better? Are charter schools the answer? And if you have a plethora of charter schools, what happens to the kids who remain in inner-city schools? Are they worth saving, or do we pull another DuBois "talented tenth" philosophy and be ok with the notion that not all of those kids are going to be worth saving?

Poverty - in my city school system, nearly 83-85% of children qualify for free/reduced lunch. (Qualifications are based on income). What are we doing to tackle this?

Racial Profiling - Are local/state law enforcement agencies still operating under these methods? Why are we targeting minorities in this manner?

The problem I see is that it's much harder to battle covert, institutionalized racism than overt racism. Gone are the days of Jim Crow, instead, you need to look at the patterns and trends to see who is being negatively impacted by your policies. For example, our school district did away with corporal punishment after discovering that black males were more likely to be paddled than any other group. You have to go after those issues. You can't pretend like they don't exist. But, it's hard to say they do exist when you don't have anyone pointing it out to you. Which again is why I say the GOP needs SERIOUS minority consultants to advise them

[IIOY]

Sept 8, 2012 22:00:53 GMT -5 elle said:

Sept 8, 2012 21:56:03 GMT -5 @soudesafinado said:

Yeah, don't assume that cause I don't know anything about bag carriers. I do know something about Pullman Porters and bellhops. I am sure Clinton didn't mean it in the way I think of it, but he likely should have rethought that statement because I am betting more people had stepinfetchit in mind than some legal eagle bag carrier.

I guess none of us know what he meant. I view it one way because it has a very specific meaning in the legal profession, and Clinton is a lawyer, and BO is a lawyer, and so that's how I interpret it.

I'm sorry, but this lawyer is literally laughing out loud at this.

[NitaX]

Kiirkette - right. With a policy like Affirmative Action, it's benefit isn't just to hand over opportunity to people of color and women. The reason it was created was to level the playing field. If you are a minority small business owner and you discover there is a opportunity for you to get your services out to the public, but minorities are never invited to participate, you can't compete. In my city there are a few very well to do real estate moguls who are always in every.dang. venture. You need to open it up, not just to allow minorities, but also to minimize corruption.

I really believe if the GOP would get some top notch consultants they could change their image. My only question would be how would the nutjob faction of crazycakes in the party react? Would they flock to a third party?

[summer]

I think the difference between poor blacks and poor whites and how they vote partly comes the wedge the powers that be placed between them long ago for hegemonic reasons.

And I think it partly depends on how rigged you think the game is. If you are a person who believes all it takes is grit to make it, you will vote very differently from someone who thinks there are too many institutionalized barriers based on race, gender, or class and that the playing field needs to be regulated for you to make it.

[ringstrue]

I don't really relate what happens at the DNC to what happens in my own area. Im not aligned with the Ds is all situations here. It's a balance.

#libra

[teflep]

Sept 9, 2012 7:41:26 GMT -5 ringstrue said:

I don't really relate what happens at the DNC to what happens in my own area. Im not aligned with the Ds is all situations here. It's a balance.

#libra

libra? Liberal?

[IIOY]

Sept 9, 2012 8:12:09 GMT -5 teflep said:

Sept 9, 2012 7:41:26 GMT -5 ringstrue said:

I don't really relate what happens at the DNC to what happens in my own area. Im not aligned with the Ds is all situations here. It's a balance.

#libra

libra? Liberal?

Libra = balance

[teflep]

Sept 9, 2012 8:15:34 GMT -5 IIOY said:

Sept 9, 2012 8:12:09 GMT -5 teflep said:

libra? Liberal?

Libra = balance

Oh, duh. I thought my ac disease we spreading

[lys]

Nitaw - the privitization should be an allowable OPTION, as the medicare vouchers would also be an OPTION - not the only plan. Choice is a good thing IMO.