Do you personally think Trump might be impeached?

[ECB]

Feb 16, 2017 9:29:31 GMT -5 kadams767 said:

Feb 16, 2017 9:08:39 GMT -5 periwinkle said:

DH and I were talking about this.  We were wondering if maybe Cheeto is too proud/arrogant to resign?  He has probably never had any real repercussions for anything in his life, do you think he'd just deny it until the end?  To him would "giving up" seem too weak?  I would love to see him stick it out for that reason and then get booted and live the rest of his life in disgrace.

Do you really think he understands that resignation is defeat, though?  This is a man who thinks that he won court cases that he paid a settlement in order to close them. 

Exactly!  Going out on his terms (in his mind) would be a win.

But in the end, I place no bets.  All the bets I placed from the get-go ended up really, really bad.    There is just no way to know what will happen/ what he'll do until it actually happens.  

[Sloane]

As long as he can spin that him leaving was his idea and that everyone else is a loser or that he's pursuing better options, I think there's a possibility he could resign. I just don't see how that angle could happen though.

As for impeachment, I'm trying to have faith. I agree that the Rs are largely just paying lip service but voting within party lines, but they are bound to get frustrated that they aren't able to accomplish what they had hoped to accomplish here. Realistically, none of their goals within this WH are getting met and they're doing nothing but dealing with the shitstorm. I think human nature is such that when it's in their best interests to change they will change - as in the possibility of a different leader is better than the sure thing they have they will move on this.

I also think the IC is sitting on a lot of information that they have yet to confirm or are holding onto right now. I have faith here too that more and more will be coming out that's incriminating enough that Trump et al are not going to be able to hide.

[elleblue]

Feb 16, 2017 9:40:01 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Feb 16, 2017 9:22:56 GMT -5 froggy76 said:

I didn't realize this! My thinking has been that impeachment is likely so they can get Pence in, and the sooner they do it the better. A few years of stability would put Pence in a better position for re-election in 2020. But I guess it makes more sense for them to wait 2 years.

I think Pence is unlikely to be reelected no matter when he would take over. Plus Trump's hardcore supporters will hate Rs for forcing him out if it happens which I think is the main reason most are currently against doing anything. If they force Trump out before getting anything done I think they will have a hard time getting anything done unless they moderate themselves and work with Ds because I think the infighting and jockeying for reelection by voters who love Trump being necessary for many of them to be reelected will be absolute chaos.

Yeah. He's not getting impeached until it's more detrimental for the GOP to continue to support him.

[redheadk]

No.

[eclaires]

Plus, let's be real, 45 is not doing well right now and if the Rs start applying pressure he will throw himself into attacking his all time favorite enemy - establishment Rs. They want him to keep signing shit, but you know he's vindictive and unmanageable enough that if he thinks they are disloyal he'll be like nope not signing any of your shit. He'll withdraw Gorsuch. He will make them pay, which IS amusing. I want him gone more than anything, but I would also enjoy watching that fallout...right now his focus is on the leaks and the media, but if too many Rs turn on him, they will be his target.

[jigsy]

If he does step down, it will never be because he did something wrong (in his mind) - he will paint himself as the outsider, trying to change how things were done in washington, but the establishment wouldn't let him. All of his EO's were bigly popular. He won a yuge amount of electoral votes. He won the popular vote (because damn those illegals). He saved jobs, he got rid of the bad hombres and terrorists, and he had more plans, the best plans, to MAGA - and for all that good work, the establishment pushed him out for doing it his way instead of their way.

Which is why I think that the R's are not going to do anything until mid-terms, because Trumpers a stupid enough to buy that bullshit and they don't want to have to try to win voters. There will have to be some real shit that comes out for them to act before that. I mean, fuck, real shit has come out and they are all just shrugging their shoulders. Fucking weak ass bitches.

[CallingAllAngels]

Feb 16, 2017 10:06:45 GMT -5 mr+ms said:

My dream would be for 45 to be found guilty of treason and have the image of him in a prison jumpsuit without his hair products or spray tan burned into history.

Really, I try not to be petty, but if this happened, I would die happy.  

[StrawberryBlondie]

Eventually, yes. I think it might be late 2018 or 2019 but I think it will.

[bowies]

I don't think Pence is likely to be elected on his own either - but I think preserving his ability for two elections was central to his agreement to sign on to this shitshow.

I don't know if anything could come out that would crater 45's approval with his base. If congressional Rs know he needs to be removed from office before his term is up, it would make far better sense to do it as far away from the 2020 election as possible. That way Pence has time to build up some goodwill.

I'm also not discounting the kompromat that Russia has on the GOP. Remember, they hacked them too. I think that's driving the reticence to really do any investigating.

[bex]

Feb 16, 2017 11:31:31 GMT -5 bowies said:

I'm also not discounting the kompromat that Russia has on the GOP. Remember, they hacked them too. I think that's driving the reticence to really do any investigating.

I was thinking of this yesterday or the day before when the Rs were all, we're not going to waste time investigating this! They don't want to investigate Trump et al too much because of what might come out about them.

I don't think this Flynn story is going to be why Trump is impeached, although it may be the catalyst that drives it.  I think something is going to come out or happen that is going to force Congress's hand. It may not be today or tomorrow (and it probably wont be) but I think it will happen eventually.   I just don't think the IC is leaking this information because that's all there is. 

[eclaires]

Feb 16, 2017 11:35:13 GMT -5 bex said:

Feb 16, 2017 11:31:31 GMT -5 bowies said:

I'm also not discounting the kompromat that Russia has on the GOP. Remember, they hacked them too. I think that's driving the reticence to really do any investigating.

I was thinking of this yesterday or the day before when the Rs were all, we're not going to waste time investigating this! They don't want to investigate Trump et al too much because of what might come out about them.

I don't think this Flynn story is going to be why Trump is impeached, although it may be the catalyst that drives it.  I think something is going to come out or happen that is going to force Congress's hand. It may not be today or tomorrow (and it probably wont be) but I think it will happen eventually.   I just don't think the IC is leaking this information because that's all there is. 

I think Russian mob money is going to be the story. It seems like the driving narrative out of the leaks is concern he is compromised, and could be blackmailed. I think the real issue compromising him is his money is tied to Russian organized crime.

[bowies]

Feb 16, 2017 11:35:13 GMT -5 bex said:

Feb 16, 2017 11:31:31 GMT -5 bowies said:

I'm also not discounting the kompromat that Russia has on the GOP. Remember, they hacked them too. I think that's driving the reticence to really do any investigating.

I was thinking of this yesterday or the day before when the Rs were all, we're not going to waste time investigating this! They don't want to investigate Trump et al too much because of what might come out about them.

I don't think this Flynn story is going to be why Trump is impeached, although it may be the catalyst that drives it.  I think something is going to come out or happen that is going to force Congress's hand. It may not be today or tomorrow (and it probably wont be) but I think it will happen eventually.   I just don't think the IC is leaking this information because that's all there is. 

I agree. The Flynn stuff was a warning shot.

It all goes back to Rosneft. A bunch of shell companies brokered that sale and some are already being tied to companies or individuals located in Trump properties. Russian organized crime also ran illegal gambling rings out of Trump Tower.

He's also being paid bribes by foreign governments through these shell companies and foreign business partners. One reporter already found a trail back to the Philippines.

[heyjude]

It seems like the IC might take him down first?

[luckyval]

Feb 16, 2017 0:36:25 GMT -5 rupertpenny said:

Depends on what happens in the mid-terms.

I think this is a very good indicator. Someone pointed out to me this article about the recent special election in Minnesota where Trump carried the district by 29 points, but the Republican nominee in the special Congressional race won by just six points. 

Sure, she still won, but the change in the margin just 4 weeks into the Trump era is telling. 

[pantsparty]

There will have to be a massive expose before this is even on the table. Remember, Trump's supporters are still fully on board. They also think liberals are unnecessarily blowing up shit. WHO CARES if Flynn talked to Russia about sanctions? Trump SAID he was going shake things up! Plus now he's gone so problem = OVER!

I think it needs to be much bigger and much more...well...simple to get everyone on board. The majority of Trump's voters aren't going to turn on him for what they see as political mumbo-jumbo, and the Republican Congress is going to try to use Trump to get through their agenda until that happens.

[W.T.Faulkner]

It's hard to imagine what would spur a Republican Congress, whose hypocrisy knows no bounds, to impeach him.

Honestly, somebody might take his ass out first. lol

[chedifuen]

Jesus, after this presser i think the odds have gone up. We've reached next level crazy.

[eclaires]

Feb 16, 2017 14:03:58 GMT -5 chedifuen said:

Jesus, after this presser i think the odds have gone up. We've reached next level crazy.

I was just going to ask that. Lol.

[chedifuen]

Feb 16, 2017 14:05:20 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Feb 16, 2017 14:03:58 GMT -5 chedifuen said:

Jesus, after this presser i think the odds have gone up. We've reached next level crazy.

I was just going to ask that. Lol.

I honestly didn't think it was possible but this is a new low. I think once they can prove he knew about the russian calls, this will really come back to haunt him. 

[abs]

Feb 16, 2017 14:03:58 GMT -5 chedifuen said:

Jesus, after this presser i think the odds have gone up. We've reached next level crazy.

Yep. The fact that no one is stopping his crazy from showing is very telling. I feel like the R's are just waiting for him to completely screw himself in a way he can't come back from. 

[bowies]

This question needs to be asked weekly (daily?). My answer is quite fluid.

[demelza]

I feel like there is a high possibility he won't see his four years in the white house. This job is harder than he thought it was going to be, even with outsourcing to Bannon, ect. He is old and lazy. He is already coming undone, look at today's press conference.

[chedifuen]

Feb 16, 2017 14:18:55 GMT -5 bowies said:

This question needs to be asked weekly (daily?). My answer is quite fluid.

Hourly seems appropriate this week 

[ECB]

Feb 16, 2017 14:20:17 GMT -5 demelza said:

I feel like there is a high possibility he won't see his four years in the white house. This job is harder than he thought it was going to be, even with outsourcing to Bannon, ect. He is old and lazy. He is already coming undone, look at today's press conference.

There are 2 things that I swing back to, and this is one of them.

We're not even a full month in!  As much as he likes to delude himself, this is a total shitshow.  They simply don't know what they are doing and the microscope that is on it... he can yell "fake news" all he wants, but the stories are going to keep coming and the people are going to keep protesting.  

For a job that is hard in and of itself, it's been taken up SO many notches.  

Maybe it's just wishful thinking - but I really wonder if he can sustain this!  He's 70.  Does he really have the ability to make it a full 4 years at the pace that has been set so far?  

Then other other thing is the GOP.  This isn't making their life easy at ALL.  When are they going to reach a point where his usefulness is finally outweighed by his chaos?  When do they finally say "screw it"?  

Again, perhaps wishful thinking.  But hell... so many people have to be going insane!

[Pom]

:::changing my answer after today's shitshow:::

[stephogirl]

After that press conference...can I change my vote??

[litebright]

Feb 16, 2017 9:58:00 GMT -5 Sloane said:

As long as he can spin that him leaving was his idea and that everyone else is a loser or that he's pursuing better options, I think there's a possibility he could resign. I just don't see how that angle could happen though.

As for impeachment, I'm trying to have faith. I agree that the Rs are largely just paying lip service but voting within party lines, but they are bound to get frustrated that they aren't able to accomplish what they had hoped to accomplish here. Realistically, none of their goals within this WH are getting met and they're doing nothing but dealing with the shitstorm. I think human nature is such that when it's in their best interests to change they will change - as in the possibility of a different leader is better than the sure thing they have they will move on this.

I also think the IC is sitting on a lot of information that they have yet to confirm or are holding onto right now. I have faith here too that more and more will be coming out that's incriminating enough that Trump et al are not going to be able to hide.

Yeah ... I don't think this is true, though. They're getting a SCOTUS pick that they like. They got an extreme version of the global gag rule instated. They have already started dismantling the Obama-era regulations on gun control and pollution that can be rapidly unwound, and word is that EPA-related EOs are coming tomorrow. They already busted the rule about oil companies having to disclose payments to foreign governments. 

ONE of Trump's cabinet picks got derailed. That's it. The only real stumbling block they have to deal with is treading lightly with Obamacare. They'll let Trump run afoul of the courts on EOs, it keeps him busy while they do actual work. 

There is a reason that Mitch McConnell is happy with Trump. Congress will shrug off the chaos and as long as Trump can sign bills, they will take advantage of it. But the stuff that they're doing takes more time and effort, and it doesn't make the headlines like #45's insane press conference. 

They are not sitting still and twiddling their thumbs or wringing their hands -- mostly they seem to be shaking their heads and ignoring the chaos as best they can so they can get to the real prize: deregulating and destroying everything they can get their hands on. They know what they got with Trump. They'll avoid pissing him off, except for a few like Graham and McCain who will call him out on national security stuff. But most of the GOP will focus on pushing through their legislative agenda, and things are going to get steadily worse on that once they get momentum going. 

[Sloane]

litebright very valid points. I was thinking more about the article yesterday that Trump has actually accomplished very little for all the bluster and talking he's doing, but you're right, behind the scenes/bravado there is people working hard to accomplish what they wanted to accomplish with this WH. Sigh.....I just wish there was more hope.

[StrawberryBlondie]

Yeah, after that press conference, I'm going with "likely."

[luckyval]

Here's a fun day dream:

Win back the house in 18
Make HRC speaker
Impeach Trump and Pence

Walla