Air Ethiopia Flight crashes shortly after takeoff

[underwaterrhymes]

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/ethiopian-airlines-flight-bound-for-nairobi-crashes-with-157-on-board/2019/03/10/0be5826c-4310-11e9-90f0-0ccfeec87a61_story.html

Everyone on board was killed.

This part makes me think Boeing needs to take a closer look at this aircraft.


“The airline said the plane was a Boeing 737 Max 8, the same model aircraft involved in the Indonesian Lion Air crash in October in which the plane plunged into the sea shortly after take off.”

[readyin07]

This should not be read by someone with an insane fear of flying, who had extreme turbulence the last time they flew and who flies again tomorrow.

OMG. God bless those poor people.

How do I go about finding out what kind of plane I am flying.

[Velar Fricative]

So awful and scary. The coincidence with the Lion Air crash is worrisome.

[dancingirl21]

Mar 10, 2019 8:44:39 GMT -5 readyin07 said:

This should not be read by someone with an insane fear of flying, who had extreme turbulence the last time they flew and who flies again tomorrow.

OMG. God bless those poor people.

How do I go about finding out what kind of plane I am flying.

I'm flying in 2 weeks and just looked up my plane. Yep, 737. Super.

Go on your carrier's website and put in your flight information. The plane should show up. 

[penguingrrl]

That’s awful. Those poor people.

[muffin0]

I know we have strict FFA rules and inspections and when the shut down happened there were multiple quotes and comments about the safety of airplanes.

But do other countries have the same guidelines and standards?



I am so sad for those people and their families.

[readyin07]

Mar 10, 2019 8:48:27 GMT -5 dancingirl21 said:

Mar 10, 2019 8:44:39 GMT -5 readyin07 said:

This should not be read by someone with an insane fear of flying, who had extreme turbulence the last time they flew and who flies again tomorrow.

OMG. God bless those poor people.

How do I go about finding out what kind of plane I am flying.

I'm flying in 2 weeks and just looked up my plane. Yep, 737. Super.

Go on your carrier's website and put in your flight information. The plane should show up. 

Same  

[dancingirl21]

Mar 10, 2019 8:56:30 GMT -5 readyin07 said:

Mar 10, 2019 8:48:27 GMT -5 dancingirl21 said:

I'm flying in 2 weeks and just looked up my plane. Yep, 737. Super.

Go on your carrier's website and put in your flight information. The plane should show up. 

Same  

I mean, I'm not really worried. It's one of the most flown planes. So we will be fine. 

Those poor people and their families. I can't imagine knowing "this is it". 

[underwaterrhymes]

Mar 10, 2019 8:53:20 GMT -5 muffin0 said:

I know we have strict FFA rules and inspections and when the shut down happened there were multiple quotes and comments about the safety of airplanes.

But do other countries have the same guidelines and standards?



I am so sad for those people and their families.

Ethiopia Air is a major airline with a terrific safety record.

To me it sounds like this is a Boeing manufacturing issue with this particular plane.

[bowies]

There are multiple types of 737s. The Max 8 is the one that is under the microscope here. We fly Southwest next month, which exclusively flies 737s, but only has 13 Max 8s. Looking up our flights now.

[bcv513]

This was a new plane. Delivered to the airline in October or November of last year. Definitely seems like a Boeing issue to me. Those poor people

[underwaterrhymes]

Yeah, I don’t think this is all 737s.

It’s the Max 8 that is at issue here because we now have two major crashes that took place right after takeoff in less than six months.

[isabel]

Ugh. How awful.

[readyin07]

Mar 10, 2019 8:58:26 GMT -5 bowies said:

There are multiple types of 737s. The Max 8 is the one that is under the microscope here. We fly Southwest next month, which exclusively flies 737s, but only has 13 Max 8s. Looking up our flights now.

I was just reading this and it says SW has 250 on order or in current operation. Actually I think ours might be an 800 and not a Max. 

www.eturbonews.com/246922/boeing-737-max-not-safe-2-crashes-62-airlines-in-danger

[bowies]

Mar 10, 2019 9:00:21 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Yeah, I don’t think this is all 737s.

It’s the Max 8 that is at issue here because we now have two major crashes that took place right after takeoff in less than six months.

They need to do a voluntary recall of all Max 8s at this point. Won’t help them getting the shit sued out of them and rightfully so.

[Miss Phryne Fisher]

This is so terribly sad. I hope Boeing recalls this plane.

[aurora]

I'm so sad for everyone on the plane and their loved ones.

Obviously Boeing needs to look into safety of this plane, but even so the risk to any one individual flying, even a Max 8, is still tiny in comparison to all of the other risks in our lives. In case that is any reassurance to anyone about to fly.

[Deleted]

They need to recall their Max 8s. They may claim if the pilot would have done xyz it would have been fine but obviously something is wrong with their planes where the pilots can’t overcome whatever is happening.

I know I’m flying on one on southwest in May and not happy about it.

[RoxMonster]

How tragic. I can't imagine being on the plane knowing it was crashing or being any of the family members that had to receive that terrible news.

And yes, I agree this model of plane should be grounded until the issue is figured out and completely solved.

[underwaterrhymes]

I also want to say that Ethiopian Air is my very favorite airline I’ve ever flown. Everything from the customer service to the food is the best I’ve experienced.

[muffin0]

Mar 10, 2019 8:59:34 GMT -5 bcv513 said:

This was a new plane. Delivered to the airline in October or November of last year. Definitely seems like a Boeing issue to me. Those poor people

Ugh. I wasn’t trying to throw other countries/airlines under the bus. I really hope Boeing feels the pressure to figure out what is happening, or if they don’t I really hope other companies will step up to push them aside.

[Jalapeñomel]

This is so sad and tragic.

[fuckyourcouch]

I think Boeing needs to look at the max line carefully, but I don’t think this is very similar to the Lion Air incident.
In that incident, there was a constraint stream of data until the plane crashed, indicating fluctuations in altitude, etc.
That is not the case here. I’m not saying it was terorrism either, just that it was suddenly off radar.

[iammalcolmx]

Ethiopian is a great airline. I ain’t flying on the 737 max till they figure out the issue. Planes do not just fall out of the sky during takeoff

[pixy0stix]

This is awful, those poor people and their families.

[krystee]

My H says the Max 8 has this system that runs in the background that overrides pilots’ actions. If the plane thinks you’re tipped too far up, it automatically tips you down (so on ascent, if the system thinks they were pitched too high, it pitched them downward, causing a crash). I am oversimplifying it, but if this is true, why on earth would Boeing have built it so pilots can’t override??

[pumpkin]

Mar 10, 2019 11:25:58 GMT -5 krystee said:

My H says the Max 8 has this system that runs in the background that overrides pilots’ actions. If the plane thinks you’re tipped too far up, it automatically tips you down (so on ascent, if the system thinks they were pitched too high, it pitched them downward, causing a crash). I am oversimplifying it, but if this is true, why on earth would Boeing have built it so pilots can’t override??

I may have this wrong, but I think a lawsuit was filed against Boeing this week about this. And if I understood correctly there is a way to override it but the pilots haven't always been trained how or something? I was listening to a rundown on the radio this week and obviously don't remember all the details.

ETA: mynorthwest.com/1298081/boeing-lion-air-crash-lawsuit-seattle-firm/

[bowies]

To bring it to another level of WTF, the CEO of Boeing during manufacture of these faulty planes is our acting SecDef.

[sarahsays]

Mar 10, 2019 11:01:33 GMT -5 fuckyourcouch said:

I think Boeing needs to look at the max line carefully, but I don’t think this is very similar to the Lion Air incident.
In that incident, there was a constraint stream of data until the plane crashed, indicating fluctuations in altitude, etc.
That is not the case here. I’m not saying it was terorrism either, just that it was suddenly off radar.

I think it's more likely that this is a similar situation to the Lion Air incident. The pilot requested to return to the airport so he clearly felt something was wrong.

[fuckyourcouch]

Mar 10, 2019 12:40:08 GMT -5 sarahsays said:

Mar 10, 2019 11:01:33 GMT -5 fuckyourcouch said:

I think Boeing needs to look at the max line carefully, but I don’t think this is very similar to the Lion Air incident.
In that incident, there was a constraint stream of data until the plane crashed, indicating fluctuations in altitude, etc.
That is not the case here. I’m not saying it was terorrism either, just that it was suddenly off radar.

I think it's more likely that this is a similar situation to the Lion Air incident. The pilot requested to return to the airport so he clearly felt something was wrong.

I didn’t say there wasn’t something wrong.
It sounds more likely to be engine trouble to me, considering the irregular speeds recorded, not altitude as with the Lion Air accident.