People are PISSED. And calling for Amy Adams, Haley Bennett, & Glenn Close to quit if he doesn’t move the location after public outcry. I know Stacey Abrams pleaded not to boycott, & I’m not a GA resident so possibly need to chill my outrage: but to me this looks like another rich, white man doing whatever rich, white man wants to do.😢
The general opinion I have read from local activists is that they would prefer Hollywood to remain. A boycott hurts many local employees who don’t have the means to move/find other jobs. The calls for boycott are happening largely outside of Ga, not from grassroots organizations.
Thewaywithanoa: Again large self appointed twitter accounts who do not move in connection with actual movements and strategies do more harm than good. @netflix needs to talk to people here in Georgia doing this work and so does anyone else looking to boycott.
Ahhhh mskitkat thanks so much for sharing the local perspective. Certainly I’d considered it, but not as substantially as if it was happening to my community (like I did reading your first(second)-hand account). In any case, I can totally see why Hollywood is being asked to sit down & shut up (in polite Southern terms), & will do my best to spread the word on Twitter that’s what we should do 😌
Does anyone know, in states that DO have exceptions for rape or incest, what the criteria are to qualify for that exception? Is it enough for a woman to show up to a clinic and say she was raped? Or does it require a police report? A conviction? Who decides?
So many rapes go unreported due to horrifying shortcomings in our criminal justice system. Of the ones that are reported, not all are prosecuted, and of those that are prosecuted many don’t result in a conviction. And the ones that DO result in a conviction can take years. What is a pregnant woman to do in this case?
Obviously the answer is to uphold a woman’s right to choose, and fight for it at all costs. Because I sure as shit don’t trust the people who believe that acquaintance rape “isn’t real rape” or those who think that women don’t get pregnant from “legitimate rape” because “the body has a way of shutting that down” to get this right.
I just read that someone referred to those Alabama politicians as y’all-qaeda....LMAO
Yeah I've seen some of these memes and they are problematic/racist. Using a different ethnic group as an insulting way to describe the awful actions of very much white supremacist Americans is not helpful. We can just call them out for being awful without dragging other minorities into it.
I just read that someone referred to those Alabama politicians as y’all-qaeda....LMAO
Yeah I've seen some of these memes and they are problematic/racist. Using a different ethnic group as an insulting way to describe the awful actions of very much white supremacist Americans is not helpful. We can just call them out for being awful without dragging other minorities into it.
This. We have enough of a problem with people equating pro-choice movement with being pro-slavery/pro-nazi. We don’t need to be using other racist comparisons in jest.
People are PISSED. And calling for Amy Adams, Haley Bennett, & Glenn Close to quit if he doesn’t move the location after public outcry. I know Stacey Abrams pleaded not to boycott, & I’m not a GA resident so possibly need to chill my outrage: but to me this looks like another rich, white man doing whatever rich, white man wants to do.😢
The general opinion I have read from local activists is that they would prefer Hollywood to remain. A boycott hurts many local employees who don’t have the means to move/find other jobs. The calls for boycott are happening largely outside of Ga, not from grassroots organizations.
Thewaywithanoa: Again large self appointed twitter accounts who do not move in connection with actual movements and strategies do more harm than good. @netflix needs to talk to people here in Georgia doing this work and so does anyone else looking to boycott.
Okay, I'm honestly confused as to why local activists would be mad about this. A big part of the civil rights movement, Black-Lives-Matters, women's equality issues, environmental activism, abortion rights, and even Native/First People's activism is putting money where your values are. If big industries with big $$ pull out of a state b/c of it's policies, isn't that exactly what will hurt those states? I know this is going to hurt other people who can't move away, and maybe that is insult to injury since the ban is hurting GA residents and then they will lose revenue and tax $$, but what other power do these out-of-state enterprises who do work in GA have? They only have their $$ to use.
Moving their money to another state to film seems right. And maybe they could offer to move some of their key people there who are GA residents too... or at least offer them the option to follow.
The general opinion I have read from local activists is that they would prefer Hollywood to remain. A boycott hurts many local employees who don’t have the means to move/find other jobs. The calls for boycott are happening largely outside of Ga, not from grassroots organizations.
Thewaywithanoa: Again large self appointed twitter accounts who do not move in connection with actual movements and strategies do more harm than good. @netflix needs to talk to people here in Georgia doing this work and so does anyone else looking to boycott.
Okay, I'm honestly confused as to why local activists would be mad about this. A big part of the civil rights movement, Black-Lives-Matters, women's equality issues, environmental activism, abortion rights, and even Native/First People's activism is putting money where your values are. If big industries with big $$ pull out of a state b/c of it's policies, isn't that exactly what will hurt those states? I know this is going to hurt other people who can't move away, and maybe that is insult to injury since the ban is hurting GA residents and then they will lose revenue and tax $$, but what other power do these out-of-state enterprises who do work in GA have? They only have their $$ to use.
Moving their money to another state to film seems right. And maybe they could offer to move some of their key people there who are GA residents too... or at least offer them the option to follow.
The actual studios producing the shows and movies probably have very few actual staff that are GA residents...maybe none. A lot of that is contract work. I guess they could offer to actually hire on some of the GA contractors that they've worked with a lot and like, but it seems unlikely that studios are going to be doing that in large numbers.
It's also not just those working on filming, but all the other tangential stuff...local companies hired to handle catering, transportation, equipment rental, etc. There's a lot of economic impact outside of the film industry. Local hotels, restaurants, etc, will get a boost when something's filming there too.
All that said though, I agree that boycotting is one of the few ways to have a real impact. Because sadly one of very few things these fuckers care about (and I'm referring to the lawmakers) is when stuff starts to actually hit the state's bottom line.
The general opinion I have read from local activists is that they would prefer Hollywood to remain. A boycott hurts many local employees who don’t have the means to move/find other jobs. The calls for boycott are happening largely outside of Ga, not from grassroots organizations.
Thewaywithanoa: Again large self appointed twitter accounts who do not move in connection with actual movements and strategies do more harm than good. @netflix needs to talk to people here in Georgia doing this work and so does anyone else looking to boycott.
Okay, I'm honestly confused as to why local activists would be mad about this. A big part of the civil rights movement, Black-Lives-Matters, women's equality issues, environmental activism, abortion rights, and even Native/First People's activism is putting money where your values are. If big industries with big $$ pull out of a state b/c of it's policies, isn't that exactly what will hurt those states? I know this is going to hurt other people who can't move away, and maybe that is insult to injury since the ban is hurting GA residents and then they will lose revenue and tax $$, but what other power do these out-of-state enterprises who do work in GA have? They only have their $$ to use.
Moving their money to another state to film seems right. And maybe they could offer to move some of their key people there who are GA residents too... or at least offer them the option to follow.
It's also not always easy to protest in a way that doesn't hurt those who should be protected. When BLM groups stop traffic for hours, black people are hit hard by that, and we don't say that BLM shouldn't stop traffic ever.
A while back, Shaun King urged a boycott of the city of San Francisco due to various racial problems. We had a thread questioning what King was trying to do because it did not appear as though he was consulting with various local interest groups. NitaX pointed out that the civil rights movement has always had people working in their own agendas, and not everyone advancing the same cause is going to agree on the right way to do it, and sometimes the way forward is to throw a bunch of ideas out there to see what works, and how things can be unified. So some disagreement is not enough for me to decide it's a terrible idea.
I am not saying I think it's a brilliant idea, but just that I am not yet persuaded either way.
That said, Hillbilly Elegy looks like a garbage story, so I wish only bad things for the people making it.
I'm pretty effing done with the boycott talk. It's not going to work for abortion. It will just divest much needed resources. The yahoos passing and signing these laws are in what they think of as a moral war, and the more unpopular it is with Hollywood et al the better because it reinforces their savior mentality.
They.Do.Not.Care about losing money. They'll fundraise on losing money. Meanwhile, people WHO CAN'T FUCKING MOVE ON A DIME or just plain don't want to cede their state to idiots will continue to suffer. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, etc--they need money to fight and more like-minded residents who aren't going to cut and run back to NY and CA and make cutesy jokes about secession. These laws and the lawsuits about them will affect all of us. All of us should fight together.
Okay, I'm honestly confused as to why local activists would be mad about this. A big part of the civil rights movement, Black-Lives-Matters, women's equality issues, environmental activism, abortion rights, and even Native/First People's activism is putting money where your values are. If big industries with big $$ pull out of a state b/c of it's policies, isn't that exactly what will hurt those states? I know this is going to hurt other people who can't move away, and maybe that is insult to injury since the ban is hurting GA residents and then they will lose revenue and tax $$, but what other power do these out-of-state enterprises who do work in GA have? They only have their $$ to use.
Moving their money to another state to film seems right. And maybe they could offer to move some of their key people there who are GA residents too... or at least offer them the option to follow.
The actual studios producing the shows and movies probably have very few actual staff that are GA residents...maybe none. A lot of that is contract work. I guess they could offer to actually hire on some of the GA contractors that they've worked with a lot and like, but it seems unlikely that studios are going to be doing that in large numbers.
It's also not just those working on filming, but all the other tangential stuff...local companies hired to handle catering, transportation, equipment rental, etc. There's a lot of economic impact outside of the film industry. Local hotels, restaurants, etc, will get a boost when something's filming there too.
All that said though, I agree that boycotting is one of the few ways to have a real impact. Because sadly one of very few things these fuckers care about (and I'm referring to the lawmakers) is when stuff starts to actually hit the state's bottom line.
I realize it's the tangential contracts that will hurt the most, and I also realize that is a problem for the little people working for them who likely are against the abortion ban/law. But it's not like Walmart or GE or Home Depot - the biggest employers and revenue makers in GA - are pulling out or saying anything. And Georgia has courted the film industry "In recent years, tax incentives for entertainment productions have lured Hollywood to the Peach State. In 2017, more of the top 100 highest grossing films were shot in Georgia than in New York or California. And many Georgia-shot mega hits are Disney movies; Captain America: Civil War, Spider-Man: Homecoming, and Black Panther were all shot in and around Atlanta." So if Netflix and Disney can have some say... it might help like it did in 2016 when Disney and Netflix had issues with some of the anti-LGBTQ laws that were being drafted and those were not brought into law.
It sucks that we have to rely on industry with $$$ to pressure lawmakers rather than public opinion and their own stakeholders - who were 49% against the bill and 44% for according to a poll a week or so ago.
I'm pretty effing done with the boycott talk. It's not going to work for abortion. It will just divest much needed resources. The yahoos passing and signing these laws are in what they think of as a moral war, and the more unpopular it is with Hollywood et al the better because it reinforces their savior mentality.
They.Do.Not.Care about losing money. They'll fundraise on losing money. Meanwhile, people WHO CAN'T FUCKING MOVE ON A DIME or just plain don't want to cede their state to idiots will continue to suffer. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, etc--they need money to fight and more like-minded residents who aren't going to cut and run back to NY and CA and make cutesy jokes about secession. These laws and the lawsuits about them will affect all of us. All of us should fight together.
I don't think it's as simple as that Slate author is getting at. It's more complicated than it hurts lower income people disproportionately more. And she concedes that it worked in GA for LGBTQ in 2016, but yes, that is different than abortion- maybe a false equivalency. However, it's worked in many different areas, not just for abortion - and this is one of the first times that activists like NARAL have said boycotts aren't right, so it makes sense that people are questioning why it's not right here when it is for NC and Ohio and such. It is a good discussion to have and one that deserves discussion b/c it's counter to what has been working.
I don't disagree that it won't hurt people of lower income, but the film industry is catered to in GA and having producer fees made in GA go toward NARAL is great, but not everyone will do that - especially not Disney superhero big box-office hits. So if an entire industry can hurt the state's revenue base, I don't fault them for trying to do that b/c who wants to do business and get tax breaks from a state that already is not listening to it's own people who generally support choice more than not support it. It's just messed up that what the people want is less influence than big donors and industry in our political decisions.
I'm pretty effing done with the boycott talk. It's not going to work for abortion. It will just divest much needed resources. The yahoos passing and signing these laws are in what they think of as a moral war, and the more unpopular it is with Hollywood et al the better because it reinforces their savior mentality.
They.Do.Not.Care about losing money. They'll fundraise on losing money. Meanwhile, people WHO CAN'T FUCKING MOVE ON A DIME or just plain don't want to cede their state to idiots will continue to suffer. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, etc--they need money to fight and more like-minded residents who aren't going to cut and run back to NY and CA and make cutesy jokes about secession. These laws and the lawsuits about them will affect all of us. All of us should fight together.
I don't think it's as simple as that Slate author is getting at. It's more complicated than it hurts lower income people disproportionately more. And she concedes that it worked in GA for LGBTQ in 2016, but yes, that is different than abortion- maybe a false equivalency. However, it's worked in many different areas, not just for abortion - and this is one of the first times that activists like NARAL have said boycotts aren't right, so it makes sense that people are questioning why it's not right here when it is for NC and Ohio and such. It is a good discussion to have and one that deserves discussion b/c it's counter to what has been working.
I don't disagree that it won't hurt people of lower income, but the film industry is catered to in GA and having producer fees made in GA go toward NARAL is great, but not everyone will do that - especially not Disney superhero big box-office hits. So if an entire industry can hurt the state's revenue base, I don't fault them for trying to do that b/c who wants to do business and get tax breaks from a state that already is not listening to it's own people who generally support choice more than not support it. It's just messed up that what the people want is less influence than big donors and industry in our political decisions.
Yeah. And I DO fault people for not listening to on the ground organizers.
Like I said like 9 times in this thread, I'm done with this argument.* I want everyone talking about boycotts to get some new ideas. If you're going to boycott, it better be a "boycott, and..." because boycotts alone are going to do exactly Jack and Shit.
*And now I'm really done. Because arguing this over and over is fucking with my mental health and not changing minds.
I'm pretty effing done with the boycott talk. It's not going to work for abortion. It will just divest much needed resources. The yahoos passing and signing these laws are in what they think of as a moral war, and the more unpopular it is with Hollywood et al the better because it reinforces their savior mentality.
They.Do.Not.Care about losing money. They'll fundraise on losing money. Meanwhile, people WHO CAN'T FUCKING MOVE ON A DIME or just plain don't want to cede their state to idiots will continue to suffer. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, etc--they need money to fight and more like-minded residents who aren't going to cut and run back to NY and CA and make cutesy jokes about secession. These laws and the lawsuits about them will affect all of us. All of us should fight together.
But the main reason why Georgia’s governor and state Legislature are unlikely to respond to a North Carolina–style boycott, no matter the economic cost, is that this abortion law doesn’t just concern Georgia. It’s a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, an invitation for the Supreme Court to take up the case once Georgia inevitably gets sued. Kemp and his fellow Georgia Republicans want to prevent women from making their own decisions around pregnancy and childbirth, yes. But they also see themselves as heroes in an accelerating nationwide movement to end the constitutional right to abortion care. What’s a few hundred million dollars lost, at most, in the fight to end what Republican politicians regularly call a “holocaust” or “genocide”?
This one is an excellent one, and pushes me into the no-boycott camp (at least until it's decided, at which point, I might be back to being a fence sitter).
I don't think it's as simple as that Slate author is getting at. It's more complicated than it hurts lower income people disproportionately more. And she concedes that it worked in GA for LGBTQ in 2016, but yes, that is different than abortion- maybe a false equivalency. However, it's worked in many different areas, not just for abortion - and this is one of the first times that activists like NARAL have said boycotts aren't right, so it makes sense that people are questioning why it's not right here when it is for NC and Ohio and such. It is a good discussion to have and one that deserves discussion b/c it's counter to what has been working.
I don't disagree that it won't hurt people of lower income, but the film industry is catered to in GA and having producer fees made in GA go toward NARAL is great, but not everyone will do that - especially not Disney superhero big box-office hits. So if an entire industry can hurt the state's revenue base, I don't fault them for trying to do that b/c who wants to do business and get tax breaks from a state that already is not listening to it's own people who generally support choice more than not support it. It's just messed up that what the people want is less influence than big donors and industry in our political decisions.
Yeah. And I DO fault people for not listening to on the ground organizers.
Like I said like 9 times in this thread, I'm done with this argument.* I want everyone talking about boycotts to get some new ideas. If you're going to boycott, it better be a "boycott, and..." because boycotts alone are going to do exactly Jack and Shit.
*And now I'm really done. Because arguing this over and over is fucking with my mental health and not changing minds.
Nobody said that was the only option - even in this thread. I'm not sure why you are taking it personally that you are done with us - people who agree with you, but have questions. It's one option and sad that we don't have many others right now. Especially as people who don't live in blue states flush with $$$ to throw at NARAL and other activist groups who are going to have to fight this at SCOTUS level.
These states have incentivized Hollywood to film over there with tax breaks and goodies. Run away film production is harmful for California’s economy and the people who live here too. The film industry in Ca supports many middle class families that don’t travel with production. I don’t know. The “don’t hurt Georgia’s economy with a boycott of our state” rings a little hollow when their filming laws were designed to poach. And I disagree that the good old boys who write laws to treat women like broodmares won’t take notice of a boycott because they also wrote the laws to get Hollywood there in the first place.
And, guys, I know we're on the same side. I'm just feeling broken by all of this. It's been a horrible nonstop assault on everything, it feels like, and this is the thing that's driven me to distraction. I know many of you feel the same. So any minor disagreement wrt how best to stop this onslaught feels worse and bigger than it is. I just want to make it stop. I know you do too.
Post by downtoearth on May 20, 2019 15:07:09 GMT -5
I get it cville - I'm lost (and recently broke and so I had to stop my giving to all non-profits) and feel so distraught over this too. It's like insult to injury and I get taking it personally. I even read the articles about the DAs who are not going to prosecute this in GA and still feel like it's not enough and that their double-speak about unborn children needing some protections (i.e. murder/domestic violence cases and such) was too much to really understand if someone in GA is going to prosecute and take this to SCOTUS.
I get it cville - I'm lost (and recently broke and so I had to stop my giving to all non-profits) and feel so distraught over this too. It's like insult to injury and I get taking it personally. I even read the articles about the DAs who are not going to prosecute this in GA and still feel like it's not enough and that their double-speak about unborn children needing some protections (i.e. murder/domestic violence cases and such) was too much to really understand if someone in GA is going to prosecute and take this to SCOTUS.
Of course someone is going to sue in all of the states. Of course. That's not even a question. And it doesn't require a prosecution first.
I'm interested in hearing from the med-mal insurance providers on this one. You make doctors decide whether an abortion is truly life-saving or not,they are in effect choosing between prison or a malpractice suit. So far, I haven't seen any info to suggest states are giving these doctors complete and total immunity from any lawsuit arising out of the death of a patient, so are rates going to skyrocket?