I guess I just worry about the future implications of this. I’m not an economist. I can certainly be wrong. I don’t see how this won’t at some point affect our world, but I’m reading more of the comments and obviously I don’t know enough about this. I don’t even particularly care that much to be honest, just made a comment to state one point, that I didn’t think it would have been a bad idea to try to prevent abuse of the situation. I stand by that, doesn’t mean I am out there pissed off about people making extra money. Many of those I know getting it also think it’s pretty crazy, but why should they be the martyrs and collect? Obviously if it helps many people, it’s a good thing for them.
What specifically do you think will happen in the future because unemployed people had money?
If anyone has studied history, we know what happens if the unemployed don't have money. I'm not an economist either but money in the hands of poorer folks gets spent. It stimulates the motherfucking economy. They're not rolling around in piles of money.
Why is it a problem? Honest question. The fact some kid is getting $2400 or more a month for a few months doesn’t impact me at all. Are you mad because you aren’t getting an extra $2400? Would you rather be laid off of work with no benefits?
I guess I just worry about the future implications of this. I’m not an economist. I can certainly be wrong. I don’t see how this won’t at some point affect our world, but I’m reading more of the comments and obviously I don’t know enough about this. I don’t even particularly care that much to be honest, just made a comment to state one point, that I didn’t think it would have been a bad idea to try to prevent abuse of the situation. I stand by that, doesn’t mean I am out there pissed off about people making extra money. Many of those I know getting it also think it’s pretty crazy, but why should they be the martyrs and collect? Obviously if it helps many people, it’s a good thing for them.
Your statement implied that BC people were getting more than their regular pay they were abusing the system. They are utilizing the system.
I think its accurate that you are clearly not an economist so worrying about any kind of cap or how much people are getting is above your pay grade.
Like I said, I obviously don’t have a clue on this topic and have been educated, I get it, just made an obviously uninformed comment. I’m open to learning and to understand. I can’t keep responding to every person calling me out for this. Many good points, I get it. I have a lot of anxiety about our current situation for many reasons, and our economy and not understanding any of that is one of them. I do appreciate the comments and being educated, I’m certainly not going to say I completely understand how this relates to the economy now, but I won’t bother giving this one as much credence.
Why is it a problem? Honest question. The fact some kid is getting $2400 or more a month for a few months doesn’t impact me at all. Are you mad because you aren’t getting an extra $2400? Would you rather be laid off of work with no benefits?
I guess I just worry about the future implications of this. I’m not an economist. I can certainly be wrong. I don’t see how this won’t at some point affect our world, but I’m reading more of the comments and obviously I don’t know enough about this. I don’t even particularly care that much to be honest, just made a comment to state one point, that I didn’t think it would have been a bad idea to try to prevent abuse of the situation. I stand by that, doesn’t mean I am out there pissed off about people making extra money. Many of those I know getting it also think it’s pretty crazy, but why should they be the martyrs and collect? Obviously if it helps many people, it’s a good thing for them.
I'd love to hear how you think this will be implemented with limited budgets, low staff, and ancient computer systems.
I guess I just worry about the future implications of this. I’m not an economist. I can certainly be wrong. I don’t see how this won’t at some point affect our world, but I’m reading more of the comments and obviously I don’t know enough about this. I don’t even particularly care that much to be honest, just made a comment to state one point, that I didn’t think it would have been a bad idea to try to prevent abuse of the situation. I stand by that, doesn’t mean I am out there pissed off about people making extra money. Many of those I know getting it also think it’s pretty crazy, but why should they be the martyrs and collect? Obviously if it helps many people, it’s a good thing for them.
Your statement implied that BC people were getting more than their regular pay they were abusing the system. They are utilizing the system.
I think its accurate that you are clearly not an economist so worrying about any kind of cap or how much people are getting is above your pay grade.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
Like I said, I obviously don’t have a clue on this topic and have been educated, I get it, just made an obviously uninformed comment. I’m open to learning and to understand. I can’t keep responding to every person calling me out for this. Many good points, I get it. I have a lot of anxiety about our current situation for many reasons, and our economy and not understanding any of that is one of them. I do appreciate the comments and being educated, I’m certainly not going to say I completely understand how this relates to the economy now, but I won’t bother giving this one as much credence.
Think of it this way: if you are anxious about our current situation imagine how terrifying it must be to be someone who has been making minimum wage for years at a job you can no longer work for an indeterminate amount of time due to a sudden global pandemic. Wondering if you will even have a job to come back to or if it will be safe for you to work when you are called back (and therefore no longer eligible for unemployment.) If you have no savings account and live paycheck to paycheck.
We are all anxious. The difference is that some of us are much better equipped to mange this situation than others. And if you’re in that situation you need to have some empathy because no one knows what to do here, but we need to try to keep each other alive while we are figuring it out.
Why is it a problem? Honest question. The fact some kid is getting $2400 or more a month for a few months doesn’t impact me at all. Are you mad because you aren’t getting an extra $2400? Would you rather be laid off of work with no benefits?
I guess I just worry about the future implications of this. I’m not an economist. I can certainly be wrong. I don’t see how this won’t at some point affect our world, but I’m reading more of the comments and obviously I don’t know enough about this. I don’t even particularly care that much to be honest, just made a comment to state one point, that I didn’t think it would have been a bad idea to try to prevent abuse of the situation. I stand by that, doesn’t mean I am out there pissed off about people making extra money. Many of those I know getting it also think it’s pretty crazy, but why should they be the martyrs and collect? Obviously if it helps many people, it’s a good thing for them.
I get that at first glance you may have some concerns but once you look at the whole picture I think you will find nothing wrong. The government put this money out there to: 1. Help those who need help 2. Get money in hand so people will spend it and keep the economy from crashing
Are there a few people who are making more than they were? Sure. Are they likely spending that money. Most likely.
And don’t forget. Corporate welfare recipients aren’t sitting around having these debates. They are trying to figure out how to squeeze the most money from the government. I’m not going to get mad at everyday citizens for doing it too. Pass the money!
Your statement implied that BC people were getting more than their regular pay they were abusing the system. They are utilizing the system.
I think its accurate that you are clearly not an economist so worrying about any kind of cap or how much people are getting is above your pay grade.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Your statement implied that BC people were getting more than their regular pay they were abusing the system. They are utilizing the system.
I think its accurate that you are clearly not an economist so worrying about any kind of cap or how much people are getting is above your pay grade.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
"Many"? How many? Were you the employer or employee in this conversation or where are you hearing it from? Turning down employment is grounds for UI to end. Is the employer not reporting that the offer was extended and rejected? (eta: If they are, that's their decision. Maybe they have some compassion for their employees' situations and the employees don't feel like telling you?) There are also other exemptions, like needing to care for dependents as a result of COVID. So maybe they turned down an offer because there won't be anyone around to take care of their kids/parents/whomever. There are lots of reasons that don't support "cheating" the system.
Your statement implied that BC people were getting more than their regular pay they were abusing the system. They are utilizing the system.
I think its accurate that you are clearly not an economist so worrying about any kind of cap or how much people are getting is above your pay grade.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal.
omg why are you not angry that they were paid so little before they needed unemployment? Why?
Like I said, I obviously don’t have a clue on this topic and have been educated, I get it, just made an obviously uninformed comment. I’m open to learning and to understand. I can’t keep responding to every person calling me out for this. Many good points, I get it. I have a lot of anxiety about our current situation for many reasons, and our economy and not understanding any of that is one of them. I do appreciate the comments and being educated, I’m certainly not going to say I completely understand how this relates to the economy now, but I won’t bother giving this one as much credence.
Okay so we are seeing a record contraction in spending. For a variety of reasons - people are scared, various avenues to spending are closed, people don’t have money. In a pandemic the thing the government can do is give money that people will spend. For some, that means necessities and it is important in emergency situations (esp one where it is advised to go out as little as possible - very many people do not have enough money to do 2-4w of grocery shopping at a time for example and doubly so if unemployed suddenly). For others, like say an upper middle class SAHM like myself, whose family income is over the limit but not phased out, it might mean a stimulus check that I will then spend because my financial situation hasn’t changed. Money has to flow into the economy. Our success is all tied together. Because if people aren’t spending more people will lose their jobs.
Again my state doesn’t have income tax. It has only sales tax. Every budget in this state is seeing record shortfalls because people aren’t spending money and it would be worse if there weren’t stimulus checks and extra unemployment. It’s why the government should probably do it again. Inflation is basically nonexistent right now so we aren’t in danger there. They need to turn the faucet on and rain money down on people because people are terrified of both a pandemic and getting sick and now a depression. That contracts spending which is a vicious cycle in the whole depression and unemployment cycle.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Alternatively, think about how desperate someone in this financial situation must be, that a finite amount of extra money right now makes more sense than returning to a long-term job. I’d say the majority of people making tough choices like that deserve some compassion.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Alternatively, think about how desperate someone in this financial situation must be, that a finite amount of extra money right now makes more sense than returning to a long-term job. I’d say the majority of people making tough choices like that deserve some compassion.
^^^^^ People who don’t understand this have clearly never been poor and don’t understand poverty.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Two business owners I know who got the PPP are struggling with this, for a fact, each with 25-30 employees. Not all of them, but enough that it’s an issue. I haven’t followed up in a week or so, but upon first pass many were happy to just stay furloughed as they are making more.
I’m certainly not saying it’s a smart decision, I would not roll the dice that way and hope there are just jobs waiting for me, but it’s happening.
Side note: There are also likely some who HAVE to say no due to no daycares being open and not having childcare, so I’m happy it’s an option for them to stay afloat and be home when it is so needed for various reasons. I’ve been saying for weeks that before our industries can be back up and running, things like schools and daycares need to open back up. That is worrisome to me also, I don’t see how people will be able to go back without that.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Alternatively, think about how desperate someone in this financial situation must be, that a finite amount of extra money right now makes more sense than returning to a long-term job. I’d say the majority of people making tough choices like that deserve some compassion.
Your statement implied that BC people were getting more than their regular pay they were abusing the system. They are utilizing the system.
I think its accurate that you are clearly not an economist so worrying about any kind of cap or how much people are getting is above your pay grade.
In my particular situation, many have been offered their jobs back ‘if they wanted them’ and have said they will continue on unemployment as it’s a better deal. Sorry I was not clear on the ‘abuse’. I don’t think it matters as I’m reading more, but my examples were not examples of abuse.
You cannot continue to get unemployment if that happens.
You are perpetuating myths.
It sounds like you aren't in a situation where you have or are going through the process, which again bully for you. But try hard not to perpetuate false truths about a situation you are ignorant about. Especially since you have updated to say it isn't even that important to you.
I mean really. Your careless comment is pretty harmful actually.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Two business owners I know who got the PPP are struggling with this, for a fact, each with 25-30 employees. Not all of them, but enough that it’s an issue. I haven’t followed up in a week or so, but upon first pass many were happy to just stay furloughed as they are making more.
I’m certainly not saying it’s a smart decision, I would not roll the dice that way and hope there are just jobs waiting for me, but it’s happening.
Side note: There are also likely some who HAVE to say no due to no daycares being open and not having childcare, so I’m happy it’s an option for them to stay afloat and be home when it is so needed for various reasons. I’ve been saying for weeks that before our industries can be back up and running, things like schools and daycares need to open back up. That is worrisome to me also, I don’t see how people will be able to go back without that.
So you don't actually know these people. You just got someone's, likely biased, second hand information.
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Two business owners I know who got the PPP are struggling with this, for a fact, each with 25-30 employees. Not all of them, but enough that it’s an issue. I haven’t followed up in a week or so, but upon first pass many were happy to just stay furloughed as they are making more.
I’m certainly not saying it’s a smart decision, I would not roll the dice that way and hope there are just jobs waiting for me, but it’s happening.
Side note: There are also likely some who HAVE to say no due to no daycares being open and not having childcare, so I’m happy it’s an option for them to stay afloat and be home when it is so needed for various reasons. I’ve been saying for weeks that before our industries can be back up and running, things like schools and daycares need to open back up. That is worrisome to me also, I don’t see how people will be able to go back without that.
If you know them personally, have you asked them why they pay their employees so poorly in the first place?
Also are we really mad someone who works part time for spending money doesn’t want to go back immediately and risk getting covid-19? I think every one should be able to have the option to not work if it puts them at risk of this deadly disease.
Two business owners I know who got the PPP are struggling with this, for a fact, each with 25-30 employees. Not all of them, but enough that it’s an issue. I haven’t followed up in a week or so, but upon first pass many were happy to just stay furloughed as they are making more.
I’m certainly not saying it’s a smart decision, I would not roll the dice that way and hope there are just jobs waiting for me, but it’s happening.
Side note: There are also likely some who HAVE to say no due to no daycares being open and not having childcare, so I’m happy it’s an option for them to stay afloat and be home when it is so needed for various reasons. I’ve been saying for weeks that before our industries can be back up and running, things like schools and daycares need to open back up. That is worrisome to me also, I don’t see how people will be able to go back without that.
If you know them personally, have you asked them why they pay their employees so poorly in the first place?
They are tipped employees, but I’ll be sure to ask that. Listen I get that nothing I say is right, I've caught on.
kath16 that sounds like a state problem, not a Fed problem. In Missouri, if you qualify for $1 of the state unemployment, yes, you also get the full $600. BUT the calculation to get any unemployment if you worked during the week is crazy. I just looked at our site and to be able to qualify for $1 (thus giving you the $600 in addition) you can't make more than $385/week. That's $12/hr if you're working 32 hours. Total you'd make $986/week. Yes, that's decent, but I definitely wouldn't call it "bank".
The $600 a week has an end date so I have a hard time believing large amounts of people are just choosing to basically quit their jobs when unemployment numbers are so high and there will be millions of people trying to find a job at the same time as everyone else. I’m curious as to how many people you actually know that are saying this.
Two business owners I know who got the PPP are struggling with this, for a fact, each with 25-30 employees. Not all of them, but enough that it’s an issue. I haven’t followed up in a week or so, but upon first pass many were happy to just stay furloughed as they are making more.
I’m certainly not saying it’s a smart decision, I would not roll the dice that way and hope there are just jobs waiting for me, but it’s happening.
Side note: There are also likely some who HAVE to say no due to no daycares being open and not having childcare, so I’m happy it’s an option for them to stay afloat and be home when it is so needed for various reasons. I’ve been saying for weeks that before our industries can be back up and running, things like schools and daycares need to open back up. That is worrisome to me also, I don’t see how people will be able to go back without that.
Business owners shouldn’t be “struggling” with this. For one, they are required to accurately report who is being laid off or furloughed, so if they’ve initiated employees to go back to work they will no longer qualify for unemployment. Speaking of which, with unemployment at an all-time high, it shouldn’t be extremely difficult to replace employees anyways.
You are assuming, based on second-hand information, that most of these people are choosing not to work because UI is a better financial deal for them. Putting aside the crappy pay they must be receiving from these businesses for that to be the case, you’ve noted several other reasons that they could be opting not to return to work right now, and which are provided for under current guidelines. An additional one is that people are afraid of the health risks of returning to work. You really should dial back your assumptions.
Also are we really mad someone who works part time for spending money doesn’t want to go back immediately and risk getting covid-19? I think every one should be able to have the option to not work if it puts them at risk of this deadly disease.
I'm.not mad, but if they are making MORE money then EFF that shiz! Abuse! 😒
She doesn't just know someone, she knows many people. Who all like to discuss their personal finance and employment situations with her. Completely believable.
If you know them personally, have you asked them why they pay their employees so poorly in the first place?
They are tipped employees, but I’ll be sure to ask that. Listen I get that nothing I say is right, I've caught on.
No, nothing you say about unemployed, terrified, and possibly poor people is going to be right so long as you have a deficit mindset about them and spread harmful, classist, and racist mythology.