Post by Wines Not Whines on Jun 13, 2020 17:58:45 GMT -5
I’m in a hard hit area (DC) and we’re still in Phase 1. Masks are required in all indoor locations. People are still taking it pretty seriously here, but there’s definitely a spectrum. Some people are still completely self-isolating and only leaving their house once every two weeks to go to the grocery store. Some people are getting together with friends, having parties, and dining outdoors (indoor restaurant seating is still not allowed).
I’m in the middle. This is the first weekend I saw anyone outside of my immediate family (a friend). We stayed outdoors the entire time and tried to keep our distance as we walked. I’m planning to see my cousin tomorrow, because she’s about to move out-of-state and I don’t know when I’ll see her again. We plan to hang out in my backyard, and we won’t get too close if we move inside. I feel cautiously ok about this, but nothing is 100% safe unless you become a hermit.
I just don't get the oppressive views on face coverings. Especially if you wear a shield, it is barely even fucking noticeable. My goodness, just one tiny little action could help us go back to almost completely normal. BUT NOOOO, people think it is an infringement on their rights or some shit.
Our school system sent out a survey about how we want the fall to go. My answers were basically, please can we just do full time and require face coverings. It is by far the easiest way to accomplish learning, honor safety and also allow parents to get back to normal with their own jobs.
My 8 year old is now 100% living the face shield lifestyle. It is what he wears if we go into a store. It is also what we wear at work. Seriously, so easy!
Post by redheadbaker on Jun 13, 2020 18:40:37 GMT -5
We're still taking this very seriously, due to health conditions in our family. Still getting grocery delivery whenever possible, wearing masks any time outside of the house (which is pretty much Target and grocery stores when there aren't any delivery slots available).
We had a distanced outdoor visit with my parents on Mother's Day, and a distanced end-of-school picnic lunch with DS' class yesterday. We'll be seeing my brother/SIL on Father's Day for an outdoor BBQ.
We decided to send DS to summer camp 3 days a week during the summer, after they sent out a handbook of precautions they'll be taking. I'm still very anxious about it, but he really needs the peer interaction and physical exercise.
Also, I sounded a bit huffy above, so I’ll share this lighter story.
I’ve mentioned before that my H is incredibly risk averse and we have been doing almost nothing that other people have started to do (no restaurants, no play dates, no indoor retail, no summer travel, etc.)
We wear masks everywhere, but the law here is that you don’t need to wear one if you’re exercising outdoors and you can stay at least six feet from others. Okay. So. Our little family is on a hike — and the trail is wide and not very busy. At one point though, we passed these two other women going in the opposite direction. (I would guess friends, likely not even in the same household.)
And one LOUDLY says, “I guess some people feel like they’re done taking coronavirus seriously.”
OMG, lady!!! It just goes to show that you can’t win. You have to decide what’s right for you because we will judged no matter what.
I feel you. I was in line at a store and wearing a mask. My feet were in the edge of the "six feet away box" and I got yelled at from the man in front of me and the lady behind me. I was touching the box, but not centered in the middle. Half the store didn't have a mask and I got yelled at. I had to go to one other store after that and a little girl bumped into my cart on accident. She said sorry and her dad said to her "Don't apologize to that woman. She could have moved." Now, mind you, I was going down the correct way, following the arrows. They were not. Basically, there is no winning I've decided.
My kids have been in three places since March, one of which was to get a haircut on June 3. I see a post on fb last night that says the barber shop had a covid positive patient that same day. My kids had masks and waited in the car for their turn and were also the first appointment of the day, but still. We are actually following recommendations and then one of the three places they went got them exposed. 🤦🏼♀️
They just started playing with the neighbors who have also been safe. Aside from that, we haven't changed much. Still doing grocery pickup, take out, etc.
Post by formerlyak on Jun 13, 2020 20:02:55 GMT -5
sdlaura did you not see the huge grad party In Coronado this past week on the news? The news interviewed one of the moms and she was like, “We know it’s really not allowed, but all the families of the graduates felt this was what was best for us.”
I have friends and family in various parts of SD (most in North County) who have been complaining about rogue class parties in people’s homes and people not wearing masks.
I think you are lucky that your part of the county isn’t seeing that, but the parties are happening in SD for sure.
I can’t say not seeing the ILs has been all that bad. 😉 Just lightening the mood a bit.
We’re probably more cautious than most, but I’m ok with it. Like I told a friend I saw outside today, I would rather be able to spend time with my parents than send my kid to daycare/camp or try and do play dates and keep her separated. Yeah it sux to work and parent, but for us, family is more important.
Masks are required in my state, but only the health dept can enforce. So lots aren’t wearing them. We wear them if we go into a store and are only doing take out still. We’re doing a mix of grocery pick up and going in mostly bc of stock issues still.
There will be another spike. I just don’t want to be one of the ones in it.
Post by beachwinescrewsandy on Jun 13, 2020 20:42:30 GMT -5
We’re in NJ. I’ve seen tons of people have bday parties or street wide gatherings since this started in March. No one was following the mask rule at the beach last weekend. People in our town are super annoyed baseball hasn’t started yet, because apparently that’s a huge priority. I’m waiting to see the next surge of cases. I won’t be surprised to see another surge of cases here.
Also NJ.. I have gone to the park with a friend and took a walk and had lunch 6 ft apart. Other than that, I visit my dad once a week in the yard. That's it nothing other than going to work 2x a week in a Dr office.
I haven't seen my kids since March 7th.
No friends over, no friends houses.
We are lucky that the kids are grown. I would be losing it if I had young ones at home. I see too many idiots out there and I need to keep myself safe. I will not be getting a haircut, nails done, or dining out anytime soon.
While I’m certainly not saying that people shouldn’t be careful I think it’s important to look at the overall picture as well.
Overall in the country deaths, hospitalizations and ED visits for covid are down. About 6% of tests come back positive. So there is certainly some good news in all of this although there obviously are still people dying and becoming very ill from covid.
It’s definitely a good idea for people to look at the data for their particular region if they’re concerned.
While I’m certainly not saying that people shouldn’t be careful I think it’s important to look at the overall picture as well.
Overall in the country deaths, hospitalizations and ED visits for covid are down. About 6% of tests come back positive. So there is certainly some good news in all of this although there obviously are still people dying and becoming very ill from covid.
It’s definitely a good idea for people to look at the data for their particular region if they’re concerned.
I agree with this. I am in Hawaii which is orange showing an increase, but that is because we had multiple 0 case days in a row. Yesterday we had 15 new cases which was a large spike, but 10 of them were the same household.
My family though is all in Maryland which is dark green as a “strong decrease” but still getting 700 new cases a day. I am much more worried about them going out and about then myself.
I do feel the divide. It is odd being out here where we have such a low case count, but are still so strict. I am worried about my family because although they were being very careful now that Maryland is opening up they are going out much more. Hawaii all together since March has just over 600 cases, and that made me not want to go out. I can’t imagine getting that many a day and being comfortable living life as “normal”.
I agree with the sentiment you need to just focus on what you've determined your comfort level to be and let the rest go. It doesn't do any good to harbor anger or resentment for the way that others are choosing to handle this. There are so many moving parts and information is changing so rapidly, all we can do is decide what is best for our families personally and go from there.
We were extremely strict in the beginning and I was very angry about how some of my neighbors were handling this (I think I even posted about it here). I really had to reframe everything because it was affecting me mentally. We have def. loosened things up - all within recommendations - but I am currently in the mindset that we need to learn to live with this new normal. It's going to be a long time before a vaccine is here, and we (esp. our kids) need to be able to exist in a world where they understand hygiene and distancing all while doing normal, everyday things.
Can you think of any activities your family feels comfortable with around the area?
TBH we haven’t had our kids out much at all! I know a lot of my friends have gone hiking at High Rocks State Park and loved it, and New Hope is pretty much open. I ditto a day trip to the shore - Island Beach State Park is open and you can fish and swim. That would be a different experience than say, a beach town. Things are spotty at the beach towns - limited dining and shopping, no rides on the board walk etc. I do believe Solebury Orchard is opening soon. Other than that there’s not too much going on unfortunately. I expect to be green soon though so hopefully there will be more options.
ETA: Lake Nocamixon seems to be up and running, Peace Valley Park for a smaller more low key experience.
Oh! Shankweilers Drive In Movies! It’s prob 45-60 minutes away in Lehigh County but I’m dying to go. Could be a fun, kitschy activity for one evening.
Post by SusanBAnthony on Jun 14, 2020 8:21:08 GMT -5
On the subject of privilege, if you are at work FT and are pretty confident you are being exposed at work (either because of known cases in your workplace or because you interact with he public) I can see how you would say F it, I'm socializing/getting my nails done/eating in a restaurant.
At my work we wear masks all day. I do it happily (and also wear one any other place I go other than outdoor exercise where I'm not near people). But it does suck. It sucks when you work a physical job and you get hot and then you have this mask on. Again. I think we should wear them and I do. And I know medical people wear them for an 8 hour shift all the time (however they probably have air conditioning!). And I would bet a good chunk of my co-workers rip it off the second they are out our doors and don't wear it if they are stopping for groceries on the way home.
Since the leadership in this country has failed us we are stuck with the virus until there is a vaccine, given that knowledge we have shifted to the mindset of how can we expand our bubble to something that we can maintain for another year or so. Mask usage seems high around here when indoors.
~ Masks indoors when shopping, pick up, etc - We continue to use a combination of online grocery shopping/reduced trips/ curbside pickup. The only in person shopping we have done since March is grocery shopping. - I am fortunate that I can work from home and will be able to till at least August. I don't know what the long term guidance will be, but I don't see myself back in the office full time this year. - We will send DS back to daycare soon, productivity is limited with a 4 year old at home - Our HOA playground is open and we have been going there daily, we are usually the only ones there and we wash hands before and after we go - We have expanded our bubble to one group of friends and have met them outdoors/ more than 6 feet apart with our own food/ drinks - Indoor restaurants are open at 50% capacity, but I don't see us doing this for awhile. I am happy with curbside pickup - I don't know how seeing family will play out. We usually fly to see both sets of parents, but I don't see that happening soon. I think it would be easier for our parents to come and see us, cause a 10 hr drive with a 4 year old would require plenty of stops along the way. I am sure we will figure out how to see both sets of parents over the next couple of months. My parents have opened their bubble more than we have, so I will ask them to reduce it before they come and see us and I don't see them pushing back.
I'm looking forward to being side eyed this week as I enforce masks, no touching, social distancing, etc. for me and my kids while we're in SC for my sister's wedding. Sorry folks, we've been staying home and being careful about our interactions for the last three months, and our area is (at least currently) seeing a decrease in cases. I'm not about to screw all of that up by hugging relatives from areas that opened up early and are seeing huge spikes now. This is the type of situation that would be hugely different if we had competent national leadership on COVID response.
I'm having huge anxiety about the risks we're all taking, especially some high-risk relatives, even though I know the wedding is set up to be as safe as possible and people are theoretically taking precautions while they make the drive.
In our part of the Midwest it’s pretty much back to business as usual. Maybe 25% of people have a mask on in stores and etc. We have let the kids play outside with neighbors and gone to the pool, dog park, and bike rides. Our main concern right now is MIL. She has a form of chronic leukemia, high risk, and taking isolation and distancing very seriously (as she should). We live about 7 hours from them. Due to our jobs (healthcare), we don’t have an option to self isolate for 2 weeks to hopefully be able to visit. She has made reference to seeing our kids where there is a vaccine-they would normally see them once a month. But what if the vaccine isn’t available for 1+ years?? Does anyone else have a situation like this?
My mom has brain cancer. She’s doing surprisingly well (no cancer activity right now, getting around fairly okay, mentally basically normal) a year out of being diagnosed with GBM (glioblastoma). I haven’t seen her since February. She’s at home and my dad is her primary carer, and he has a pacemaker and other heath issues including lung damage from pneumonia back in his 40s.
She keeps talking about us visiting when “this is all over” but I really don’t know when that will be and it’s sort of surprising she is still with us. She doesn’t really want us to visit (we have basically been home for months with only a handful of store visits) and we know of she or my dad gets it they won’t recover. She is getting sporadic visits from home care nurses/physical therapists but her doctors don’t want her to actually go in for any appointments right now unless it’s for a MRI and told her to avoid visitors. I’ve sort of accepted that I may never see her again. We talk on the phone frequently. She’s only 62 so I wasn’t expecting to have to deal with all this so soon!
Does your MIL have CLL? My FIL has that and we can’t see him either.
It’s really a mess but I don’t think there is much anyone can do. I’m hoping there will be some sort of treatment that would make things less risky way before a vaccine in a few years.
Luckily we don’t have any friends who aren’t taking it seriously as of right now. This is possibly because we also don’t know any Trump supporters and are in general a pretty conscientious, “greater good” minded people.
People seem to be wearing masks any time I’ve been out (I’m shopping in person for our groceries) and I’ve seen people cross the street to avoid the unmasked. I do live in a very Democrat-leaning city (Hillary got 80%+ of the votes) and the majority of the population here and in the stores I shop in are in the demographic hardest hit by the virus (besides the elderly). My husband has been to a store in the county where he said it was like the Wild West and got what he needed and left quickly but no one seemed put off by his mask wearing and the clerks thanked him.
I have never had problems going against the grain or saying no to people in general so if the situation arose I’d have no issue not joining in. I don’t have kids but I feel like this is a good lesson to learn. My mom always gave us the confidence to say no to things we didn’t want to do taught us to trust our instincts. I really think that served me well in getting out situations that were unsafe or that I didn’t feel comfortable with. It’s unfortunate we are in a pandemic but it’s fine to teach kids that other people make bad decisions or are comfortable doing things that we don’t feel are safe or correct and that we don’t do them.
In situations like the one the poster (gummybear I think?) above had with the funeral where they didn’t participate fully and left and then others confided that they also didn’t think it was a great idea but did it anyway; I do think it’s a good idea to do what you think is best (and their choice was!). I think often others will follow you if they see someone else making that difficult, against the grain choice first. A lot of people are scared to be the wave maker but will be relieved someone else was and will happily join in.
I’m not even that concerned about my own health as much as I am the people around me. I am not going to be patient zero in some pool party outbreak!
I also think it is a huge failure of our government that they are forcing people back to work and I can’t bring myself to contribute to the exposure of people who can’t stay at home. I’ve been shopping in person every 3-4 weeks, not doing any take out and have cut our deliveries to the bare minimum (medications/absolute essentials and our annual local farm share). After shopping we’ve been isolating for 2 weeks so if we have to go somewhere (family emergency—neither set of parents are well/ comfort in knowing when we next shop we aren’t sick) we’d know when our last potential exposure was.
I think we need strong national leadership encouraging mask wearing. Like PSAs and stuff. Instead of just "you might want to wear a mask." I think it would really help with safety and the rate of infection.
I have been wearing mine around here for the few errands we do. When we went to our cottage this weekend, I planned to be extra diligent to protect that community. At the gas station on the way up, people looked at me like I was an alien b/c I was wearing a mask. One guy visibly recoiled and went the other way like he assumed I must be infected if I was wearing one. It was...weird.
Yes! I really feel like Trump dropped the ball on an easy way to make himself be a hero. Put out WWII style PSAs about how we have to stay home and wear masks as our patriotic duty! Make it eas(ier) for businesses to stay afloat and people to stay home. He could have bragged about how he implemented a policy that saved millions of lives and kept the economy afloat!
Instead we have a huge mess of conflicting policies, politicizing of basic health hygiene and a disproportionate amount of deaths to our population compared to other countries and his popularity rating is down.
I also want to take a minute to point out that being able to “follow all the rules” is very much related to privilege. While I know that there are some people who genuinely don’t give a damn about the virus anymore, it helps me to think that a good portion of the people I see not wearing masks, etc might be doing so because they either can’t or are making a decision based on the economics of keeping their family afloat. Maybe those people without masks don’t have credit cards to order them online and can’t find them in stores. Maybe the people with all their kids in the store don’t have childcare. Maybe the people not doing grocery pickup don’t want to spend the minimum order amount or going into the store makes it easier to use EBT. Maybe they don’t have the free time or resources to consume as much news as I do or spend as much time reading scientific articles and recommendations. And I’m sure there are barriers I can’t even imagine!
So instead of going around thinking “man, these jerks just don’t care!” it helps me to give people the benefit of the doubt that maybe they just don’t have the means or ability to do all that is recommended.
There are a lot of barriers to distancing! It’s good to keep that in mind.
I’ve worked with local groups that are making and distributing reusable masks and basic cleaning supplies in low income areas.
I’ve also helped coordinate groups to distribute meal kits/produce delivery at local schools and food pantries for pick up.
It’s worth checking out if there is anything in (the universal) your area that you could help with.
I’m also choosing to shop in person every 3-4 weeks vs getting delivery (as much as possible, we still getting our usual scheduled medicine/essentials and farm share delivered) and not getting things like take out to reduce worker exposure to me. I feel like I can’t do much but every little bit has to help. If they have to work, the least I can do is my part to minimize their exposure.
I’m also contacting my reps to urge them to continue paying unemployment benefits for covid-related unemployment, suspension of evictions and encouraging them to pass continued relief for individuals and businesses.
While I’m certainly not saying that people shouldn’t be careful I think it’s important to look at the overall picture as well.
Overall in the country deaths, hospitalizations and ED visits for covid are down. About 6% of tests come back positive. So there is certainly some good news in all of this although there obviously are still people dying and becoming very ill from covid.
It’s definitely a good idea for people to look at the data for their particular region if they’re concerned.
I agree that it’s good to look at each region on its own.
For instance, U.S. cases started to decrease last month, but most of the decrease could be attributed to the decline in cases in NY — and when you removed NY from the picture, the country as a whole saw an increase.
I think it feels completely different on each coast. The East Coast looks better, but we don’t. Arizona has been sounding the alarm about running out of hospital capacity for the past week. Plus, California, Texas and Florida are huge states that have gotten off easy so far. I’m not sure we’ll get off so easy during the next wave though. California cases will probably overtake NJ pretty soon and then we’ll have to see what the national data looks like. Lucky us.
We are being pretty cautious in a lot of ways still. The girls finally have good masks for when they need to go with me some place, but that is still very rare. I let them ride bikes with their friends. but, yes it is hard. We have noticed some friends definitely getting closer and socializing and we were clearly not invited. It stings.
We’ve loosened up for sure. We were very strict but playgrounds opened a week ago and I’ve brought my kids to one 3 times in a week. They love playgrounds.
Also I know previous posters have said that there is no big deal with wearing a mask but my kids hate wearing them. They complain about not being able to breathe, especially when it’s hot and they’re running around. I get it, as the weather gets warmer I find it difficult to wear a mask for extended periods, it makes me feel panicky. I also have asthma which may contribute to that.
Here (in MA) you can’t enter a business without a mask. Outdoors you are supposed to wear them if you can’t stay 6 feet from people. Generally I find it easy to stay 6 feet from people, we don’t live in a busy city or go into town, mostly just the park or walks in the woods. I wear a neck gator and pull it up if I see people walking toward me.
We recently allowed the kids to ride bikes with some friends kids. And I started to ride bikes with one friend after riding alone for months. We are having a babysitter come to meet the kids this week in the hope of having a date soon (my H and I want to ride bikes together lol) . We haven’t spent time alone without our children in .. well I can’t remember. Working full time with two young children here alllll the time is taking a toll and I need a little break from them. I guess we all have to find our own comfort level.
Post by Leeham Rimes on Jun 14, 2020 21:55:37 GMT -5
It May be dividing my family soon. My sister just texted she’s looking at venues for her wedding (Which she was going to put on hold til next year bc they were *barely* starting the planning stages when the pandemic hit) At the end of next month. I—-am not excited. I don’t even feel comfortable going to the fucking gym or salon, but they want me to bring my kids 1400 miles for a 65 - 100 person wedding in a pandemic.
This is going to destroy the little relationship I have left with my sister and make me the bad guy to my parents if this goes through. H refuses to let the kids go (and I don’t think he’s wrong. I will not force the issue) and if I go, he will want me to quarantine for 2 weeks.
She can want what she wants but it sucks that I’ll be the bitch if I decide I don’t want to take such risks.
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Can you think of any activities your family feels comfortable with around the area?
TBH we haven’t had our kids out much at all! I know a lot of my friends have gone hiking at High Rocks State Park and loved it, and New Hope is pretty much open. I ditto a day trip to the shore - Island Beach State Park is open and you can fish and swim. That would be a different experience than say, a beach town. Things are spotty at the beach towns - limited dining and shopping, no rides on the board walk etc. I do believe Solebury Orchard is opening soon. Other than that there’s not too much going on unfortunately. I expect to be green soon though so hopefully there will be more options.
ETA: Lake Nocamixon seems to be up and running, Peace Valley Park for a smaller more low key experience.
Oh! Shankweilers Drive In Movies! It’s prob 45-60 minutes away in Lehigh County but I’m dying to go. Could be a fun, kitschy activity for one evening.
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Thank you so much! I think all those things sound great. We loved solebury when we went a few years ago. Just nervous everything will be packed with such limits! My kids really have not left the house here and I feel bad making Them do a 32 hour round trip drive just to sit in the house like they do here! It’s brutally hot here for walks and such so at least that will be pleasant. I appreciate your input! If you have any other idea let me know I’m sad we won’t get the trip we had planned/
I'm in Chicago. We are slowly opening and people are definitely getting more lax, however I still see most people wearing masks while just going for walks so that's good news. At stores - for sure people are still wearing masks (although every once in awhile I'll see some fool wearing his mask around his neck. And it's always a man, honestly). I have always gone to the grocery since the start of the pandemic - I just go at off hours. Target by me is generally not crowded so I'll go there. I've been to Michael's crafts and it was glorious to walk around and feel normal for a few minutes.
I did a socially distanced picnic with about 5 co-workers on Friday. They are all younger than me and didn't wear masks and I was a bit weirded out and am not sure I'll meet them out again.
We are heading out of town in a month for a long weekend. Where we are going is a place that does not take the virus seriously. I've heard from a friend that people who wear masks get scoffed at. I'm...a bit concerned about going there with out of state plates honestly, even though we've been very careful. We don't have kids and aren't super social so...have barely seen anyone in months.
I am not worried about getting sick myself but the infection risk has not altered and I don't want to be a vector just spreading the disease. So I stay home. However, so few people around me are and just go about their lives as if nothing has ever happened. Yesterday I had a bit of a breakdown and was struggling - why do the right thing if no one else seems to care? I almost started to think things are in my head.
Just like Cappy I have also started to see my friends and family differently etc. I have some family members who think it is NBD. I feel like I am in a group project and most people in the group are not doing the work. Of course there is nothing I can change about other people's behavior I can only control mine. It is frustrating and makes me wonder if I should also do whatever I please.
It May be dividing my family soon. My sister just texted she’s looking at venues for her wedding (Which she was going to put on hold til next year bc they were *barely* starting the planning stages when the pandemic hit) At the end of next month. I—-am not excited. I don’t even feel comfortable going to the fucking gym or salon, but they want me to bring my kids 1400 miles for a 65 - 100 person wedding in a pandemic.
This is going to destroy the little relationship I have left with my sister and make me the bad guy to my parents if this goes through. H refuses to let the kids go (and I don’t think he’s wrong. I will not force the issue) and if I go, he will want me to quarantine for 2 weeks.
She can want what she wants but it sucks that I’ll be the bitch if I decide I don’t want to take such risks.
Planning a wedding where important guests need to travel 1400 miles with only a month's notice would be rude even in normal times. i think you are completely justified in skipping and if it hurts your relationship, it sounds like it's not going to be a huge loss anyway given that you're not close to begin with.
I would not jump through hoops and put yourself at risk for anyone in your family. It sounds like they have done little to deserve it.
Post by Leeham Rimes on Jun 15, 2020 9:59:59 GMT -5
wildrice I would likely go and leave the kids at home but that would still result in an enormous rift. Add to that that I live in an up and coming hotspot, I wonder if it’s even a good idea for me to travel anywhere but not like my governor is ever going to do anything to stem this tide.
I just hope she changes her mind. It seems like such a bad and unsafe idea.
(And I was wrong it’s only 1,000 miles travel. I thought she lived further north. )
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Post by picksthemusic on Jun 15, 2020 10:18:23 GMT -5
Being in healthcare, I wear a mask all day long every day I'm here. I make people coming into the clinic wear a mask, and I can tell that even when people come to the doctor's office (where there are/could be immunocompromised and unhealthy people susceptible to getting COVID and complications!), they scoff at being asked to wear a mask. Well, guess what, you get to go somewhere else. But good luck finding a clinic that will see you without putting on a mask! I also have to take everyone's temperature when they come in, and I can't tell you how many eye rolls I get when I do it.
I'm on the fence about letting the kids hang out with the neighbors (and I'm pretty sure DH would be really against it), but I can tell they miss being around their friends. Zoom class isn't enough (and this is their last week of school).