Well this WAS about the Biden/Harris transition on Twitter

[Saudade]

Nov 8, 2020 17:50:51 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Nov 8, 2020 15:00:16 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I live in Nebraska and we are also getting hit pretty hard. My town got hit hard in April and May, and we are in far worse shape now than then. And it’s business as usual here.

No mask mandates. Our governor said the hospitals need to keep 10% of the beds open, or we have to start canceling elective surgeries. And I worked yesterday, and there were zero ICU beds open, and only 4 other beds. ..... We were talking about the transition last night at work, and honestly, it’s terrifying how much worse it’ll be by January.

For those who live in hard hit red states, what will it take for people to take social distancing seriously? Personally knowing someone in the ICU? I’m astounded and terrified and really don’t get the denial.

No. This hasn't happened and it won't happen. For the record, I work in ND. I've posted about this before but it remains the same. No-one is taking this seriously. I have ICU coworkers who are out partying every weekend. My snapchat on halloween was ridiculous. Coworkers were downtown at packed bars. We don't have beds open. I don't care what the media is relating in terms of staffed-open beds, it's not true. We are working in unsafe conditions. We're taking transfers for non covid patients from out of state because MN has a union which means they have staffing ratios. 

[chilerellanos]

Also, a coworker of mine (so a nurse) just hosted a wedding for her kid that over 500 people attended!!! 😬😬😬😬😬

[abs]

Nov 8, 2020 17:50:51 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Nov 8, 2020 15:00:16 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I live in Nebraska and we are also getting hit pretty hard. My town got hit hard in April and May, and we are in far worse shape now than then. And it’s business as usual here.

No mask mandates. Our governor said the hospitals need to keep 10% of the beds open, or we have to start canceling elective surgeries. And I worked yesterday, and there were zero ICU beds open, and only 4 other beds. ..... We were talking about the transition last night at work, and honestly, it’s terrifying how much worse it’ll be by January.

For those who live in hard hit red states, what will it take for people to take social distancing seriously? Personally knowing someone in the ICU? I’m astounded and terrified and really don’t get the denial.

Thinking of how much N.Y. struggled with capacity in the spring and the oodles of hospitals, doctors, nurses, labs, medical schools etc they have, what are these rural counties going to do? This is unfortunately going to absorb Biden’s attention come January when there are so many other things he needs to work on.

My state was hit hard in the summer. No one cared. Covid was and is a hoax meant to take down Trump. You can’t convince people otherwise. We do have a mask mandate but people are now 100% ignoring it. I expect thinks to get really bad again.

[sakoro]

Nov 8, 2020 17:56:21 GMT -5 Saudade said:

Nov 8, 2020 17:50:51 GMT -5 sakoro said:

For those who live in hard hit red states, what will it take for people to take social distancing seriously? Personally knowing someone in the ICU? I’m astounded and terrified and really don’t get the denial.

No. This hasn't happened and it won't happen. For the record, I work in ND. I've posted about this before but it remains the same. No-one is taking this seriously. I have ICU coworkers who are out partying every weekend. My snapchat on halloween was ridiculous. Coworkers were downtown at packed bars. We don't have beds open. I don't care what the media is relating in terms of staffed-open beds, it's not true. We are working in unsafe conditions. We're taking transfers for non covid patients from out of state because MN has a union which means they have staffing ratios. 

Good lord! My jaw is on the ground. I don’t know what to say except will there be anyone left alive in North Dakota come spring?

[cattledogkisses]

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/06/930897912/many-places-hard-hit-by-covid-19-leaned-more-toward-trump-in-2020-than-2016

Attitudes towards COVID are mostly based on partisanship, and not on risk, knowing someone who's been hospitalized or died, or any other actual facts.

So yeah. I don't know what you do about that. I can see red areas doubling down if/when Biden tries to implement any national guidance, simply because they hate him.

[chilerellanos]

Nov 8, 2020 18:05:19 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/06/930897912/many-places-hard-hit-by-covid-19-leaned-more-toward-trump-in-2020-than-2016

Attitudes towards COVID are mostly based on partisanship, and not on risk, knowing someone who's been hospitalized or died, or any other actual facts.

So yeah. I don't know what you do about that. I can see red areas doubling down if/when Biden tries to implement any national guidance, simply because they hate him.

That’s 100% what will happen.

[Saudade]

Nov 8, 2020 18:02:18 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Nov 8, 2020 17:56:21 GMT -5 Saudade said:

No. This hasn't happened and it won't happen. For the record, I work in ND. I've posted about this before but it remains the same. No-one is taking this seriously. I have ICU coworkers who are out partying every weekend. My snapchat on halloween was ridiculous. Coworkers were downtown at packed bars. We don't have beds open. I don't care what the media is relating in terms of staffed-open beds, it's not true. We are working in unsafe conditions. We're taking transfers for non covid patients from out of state because MN has a union which means they have staffing ratios. 

Good lord! My jaw is on the ground. I don’t know what to say except will there be anyone left alive in North Dakota come spring?

We're currently at a 19% daily positivity rate. It's insane. It's hard to convey just HOW bad it is here right now.

We had everything going for us being rural.....except people here are fucking stupid and selfish and ruined it. 

[wanderingback]

Here's their website!

buildbackbetter.com

[Saudade]

Nov 8, 2020 18:05:19 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/06/930897912/many-places-hard-hit-by-covid-19-leaned-more-toward-trump-in-2020-than-2016

Attitudes towards COVID are mostly based on partisanship, and not on risk, knowing someone who's been hospitalized or died, or any other actual facts.

So yeah. I don't know what you do about that. I can see red areas doubling down if/when Biden tries to implement any national guidance, simply because they hate him.

100% This is exactly what will happen. 

The ND governor said he won't do a state mandate because people won't comply anyway. Many of the cities have done their own but too late and no one complies anyway.

[chilerellanos]

I got in a fight with my dad about covid in July, and got out of his car and walked home, because he’s a covid denier. And I’m a nurse, and deal with it, and have had it. And he told me I was stupid and dumb, and being used as a pawn by the democrats.

We haven’t spoken since.

[wanderingback]

Nov 8, 2020 18:02:18 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Nov 8, 2020 17:56:21 GMT -5 Saudade said:

No. This hasn't happened and it won't happen. For the record, I work in ND. I've posted about this before but it remains the same. No-one is taking this seriously. I have ICU coworkers who are out partying every weekend. My snapchat on halloween was ridiculous. Coworkers were downtown at packed bars. We don't have beds open. I don't care what the media is relating in terms of staffed-open beds, it's not true. We are working in unsafe conditions. We're taking transfers for non covid patients from out of state because MN has a union which means they have staffing ratios. 

Good lord! My jaw is on the ground. I don’t know what to say except will there be anyone left alive in North Dakota come spring?

I obviously am not downplaying anything, but the vast majority people survive covid, so yes people will still be alive.

I just posted the transition team website. So it'll be interesting to see if things like testing are more available if states will use that help or not. Here it's so easy to get tested and they encourage people to get tested, but I know that's not the case everywhere. I'm happy to see that the transition team is hard at work. 
 

[sakoro]

Nov 8, 2020 18:08:47 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I got in a fight with my dad about covid in July, and got out of his car and walked home, because he’s a covid denier. And I’m a nurse, and deal with it, and have had it. And he told me I was stupid and dumb, and being used as a pawn by the democrats.

We haven’t spoken since.

chilerellanos and Saudade my hats are off to you. I am sorry that the public/ politicians are making your jobs so much harder.

I don’t know where the idea that rural places are safer from COVID came from— sure, you’re probably not taking a crowded subway to work, but rural people still go to bars, church and family gatherings.

[chilerellanos]

Nov 8, 2020 18:16:44 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:08:47 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I got in a fight with my dad about covid in July, and got out of his car and walked home, because he’s a covid denier. And I’m a nurse, and deal with it, and have had it. And he told me I was stupid and dumb, and being used as a pawn by the democrats.

We haven’t spoken since.

@chilirellanos and @salude my hats are off to you. I am sorry that the public/ politicians are making your jobs so much harder.

I don’t know where the idea that rural places are safer from COVID came from— sure, you’re probably not taking a crowded subway to work, but rural people still go to bars, church and family gatherings.

And we have far less beds. My town of 60k, but serves a broad area, has 14 ICU beds.

[Saudade]

Nov 8, 2020 18:18:30 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:16:44 GMT -5 sakoro said:

@chilirellanos and @salude my hats are off to you. I am sorry that the public/ politicians are making your jobs so much harder.

I don’t know where the idea that rural places are safer from COVID came from— sure, you’re probably not taking a crowded subway to work, but rural people still go to bars, church and family gatherings.

And we have far less beds. My town of 60k, but serves a broad area, has 14 ICU beds.

sakoro,

and on top of this, the distance to the next capable ICU is huge in both chilerellanos state and mine. We cover very large areas and often are the hub for many specialty requirements. 

[chilerellanos]

Nov 8, 2020 18:21:41 GMT -5 Saudade said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:18:30 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

And we have far less beds. My town of 60k, but serves a broad area, has 14 ICU beds.

sakoro,

and on top of this, the distance to the next capable ICU is huge in both chilerellanos state and mine. We cover very large areas and often are the hub for many specialty requirements. 

And our next capable ICU is full. Our ICU’s statewide have been close to maxed out.

But it’s cool.

[Velar Fricative]

We were traumatized here in NY in the spring. Even in my redder part of NYC, mask compliance is super high. They may not like wearing masks, but they do it. I think peer pressure plays a huge role in this. However, I really am shocked that the same level of compliance doesn’t exist in other places that have been or are being hit hard. I have to read the link above but I will probably agree that it’s partisanship and the way a state or regional area leans.

[sakoro]

Nov 8, 2020 18:13:08 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:02:18 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Good lord! My jaw is on the ground. I don’t know what to say except will there be anyone left alive in North Dakota come spring?

I obviously am not downplaying anything, but the vast majority people survive covid, so yes people will still be alive.

I just posted the transition team website. So it'll be interesting to see if things like testing are more available if states will use that help or not.
 

I was being facetious (which I think you picked up on). Working on a grant with the West Virginia state health department ~10 years ago was pretty eye opening for me about the challenges in rural health. Rural hospitals keep closing because they aren’t profitable and it is so hard to recruit providers when there isn’t a strong medical community. And then the population has fewer insured patients and is generally older.

If there is less healthy, older population and a shortage of providers in rural America to begin with, my mind boggles at the thought of a major pandemic on top of that. I don’t know how people who can’t manage their symptoms at home are even going to get to a medical provider to get the standard evidence-based COVID care.

[chilerellanos]

Nov 8, 2020 18:25:18 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

We were traumatized here in NY in the spring. Even in my redder part of NYC, mask compliance is super high. They may not like wearing masks, but they do it. I think peer pressure plays a huge role in this. However, I really am shocked that the same level of compliance doesn’t exist in other places that have been or are being hit hard. I have to read the link above but I will probably agree that it’s partisanship and the way a state or regional area leans.

Also a healthy amount of racism.

I am one of the towns in the midwest that got hit in the spring due to meat packing plant clusters.

So while the Hispanic population wasn’t the ONLY population getting hit, it was the largest.

So a lot of people assumed if they didn’t work at a meat packing plant, they were safe.

And when it was community spread, well, the Hispanic population was the scapegoat.

[prettyinpearls]

Nov 8, 2020 18:06:52 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Here's their website!

buildbackbetter.com

This was absolutely calming to read. An administration that has a PLAN with specific action items you know they're already working on. 

[kershnic]

Nov 8, 2020 18:25:18 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

We were traumatized here in NY in the spring. Even in my redder part of NYC, mask compliance is super high. They may not like wearing masks, but they do it. I think peer pressure plays a huge role in this. However, I really am shocked that the same level of compliance doesn’t exist in other places that have been or are being hit hard. I have to read the link above but I will probably agree that it’s partisanship and the way a state or regional area leans.

This, the peer pressure.  I live in upstate in NY in a county that just voted 60% for Donald Trump.  But we've had a state-wide mask mandate since like April, and people wear masks in public for the most part because that's just the way it is.  Sure, we have the same issues as anyone with people not following guidance on what they do in private with friends and family, but when you go to the doctor or Target or walk around a restaurant people WEAR MASKS.  Certainly lots of people think it's dumb, but for the most part they just do it.  It blows my mind that this is not the norm everywhere else too.  

[isabel]

Nov 8, 2020 18:13:08 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:02:18 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Good lord! My jaw is on the ground. I don’t know what to say except will there be anyone left alive in North Dakota come spring?

I obviously am not downplaying anything, but the vast majority people survive covid, so yes people will still be alive.

I just posted the transition team website. So it'll be interesting to see if things like testing are more available if states will use that help or not. Here it's so easy to get tested and they encourage people to get tested, but I know that's not the case everywhere. I'm happy to see that the transition team is hard at work. 
 

Do you think it's possible we'll start to see extreme differences in case rates between blue states and red states when there is national guidance in place? Or will it not matter because people in blue states are selfish too and will be traveling and bringing COVID back? I'm trying to decide if political affiliation will matter once there is trusted guidance in place.

[rubytue]

Nov 8, 2020 18:06:31 GMT -5 Saudade said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:02:18 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Good lord! My jaw is on the ground. I don’t know what to say except will there be anyone left alive in North Dakota come spring?

We're currently at a 19% daily positivity rate. It's insane. It's hard to convey just HOW bad it is here right now.

We had everything going for us being rural.....except people here are fucking stupid and selfish and ruined it. 

Wow. They are restarting some stuff here bc we hit 4 or 5% (city has gathering limits, hospitals stopping letting one visitor for surgery, etc).  I really feel for you. I wish there were things we could do for you. For everyone out there. 

this is going to be so much worse by January. 

[lilac05]

Nov 8, 2020 20:35:12 GMT -5 isabel said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:13:08 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I obviously am not downplaying anything, but the vast majority people survive covid, so yes people will still be alive.

I just posted the transition team website. So it'll be interesting to see if things like testing are more available if states will use that help or not. Here it's so easy to get tested and they encourage people to get tested, but I know that's not the case everywhere. I'm happy to see that the transition team is hard at work. 
 

Do you think it's possible we'll start to see extreme differences in case rates between blue states and red states when there is national guidance in place? Or will it not matter because people in blue states are selfish too and will be traveling and bringing COVID back? I'm trying to decide if political affiliation will matter once there is trusted guidance in place.

I don’t know, but I’m really hoping we can get past this “red state vs blue state” stuff with the next administration. There are people from both parties in every state. We need to focus on working together, not an us vs them. The virus and increased rates have wandered through the country over the course of the pandemic. Right now, it’s bad in the Midwest where it’s largely red states...but in March - July, there were very, VERY few cases here compared to blue states. People here got more fatigued because we were taking all of these measures and shutting things down when sometimes there wasn’t a single positive case in 100 miles. So that fed the “it’s a hoax” thing. And now people are extremely fatigued and set in their ways. Truthfully, I think we might look back and think that we made a mistake to shut everything down immediately was a misstep. I think it was the right step at the time, given what we know now (Edit: *given what we knew THEN), but I’m not sure they’d make the same steps the next time. The US is HUGE...it’s not like shutting down a small country like Italy.

[sakoro]

Nov 8, 2020 21:13:21 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Nov 8, 2020 20:35:12 GMT -5 isabel said:

Do you think it's possible we'll start to see extreme differences in case rates between blue states and red states when there is national guidance in place? Or will it not matter because people in blue states are selfish too and will be traveling and bringing COVID back? I'm trying to decide if political affiliation will matter once there is trusted guidance in place.

I don’t know, but I’m really hoping we can get past this “red state vs blue state” stuff with the next administration. There are people from both parties in every state. We need to focus on working together, not an us vs them. The virus and increased rates have wandered through the country over the course of the pandemic. Right now, it’s bad in the Midwest where it’s largely red states...but in March - July, there were very, VERY few cases here compared to blue states. People here got more fatigued because we were taking all of these measures and shutting things down when sometimes there wasn’t a single positive case in 100 miles. So that fed the “it’s a hoax” thing. And now people are extremely fatigued and set in their ways. Truthfully, I think we might look back and think that we made a mistake to shut everything down immediately was a misstep. I think it was the right step at the time, given what we know now (Edit: *given what we knew THEN), but I’m not sure they’d make the same steps the next time. The US is HUGE...it’s not like shutting down a small country like Italy.

I tend to agree with you about not shutting down every tiny backwater town immediately but we didn’t know much about the virus at the time. Maybe it would have been better to shut state borders or keep city dwellers from leaving their county boundaries. I wish we had known the benefits of masking sooner and didn’t focus so much on fomite (surfaces).

[sakoro]

Nov 8, 2020 22:01:30 GMT -5 sakoro said:

Nov 8, 2020 21:13:21 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

I don’t know, but I’m really hoping we can get past this “red state vs blue state” stuff with the next administration. There are people from both parties in every state. We need to focus on working together, not an us vs them. The virus and increased rates have wandered through the country over the course of the pandemic. Right now, it’s bad in the Midwest where it’s largely red states...but in March - July, there were very, VERY few cases here compared to blue states. People here got more fatigued because we were taking all of these measures and shutting things down when sometimes there wasn’t a single positive case in 100 miles. So that fed the “it’s a hoax” thing. And now people are extremely fatigued and set in their ways. Truthfully, I think we might look back and think that we made a mistake to shut everything down immediately was a misstep. I think it was the right step at the time, given what we know now (Edit: *given what we knew THEN), but I’m not sure they’d make the same steps the next time. The US is HUGE...it’s not like shutting down a small country like Italy.

I tend to agree with you about not shutting down every tiny backwater town immediately but we didn’t know much about the virus at the time. Maybe it would have been better to shut state borders or keep city dwellers from leaving their county boundaries. I wish we had known the benefits of masking sooner and didn’t focus so much on fomite (surfaces).

As for it being political, even blue states have red patches and vice versa. Newsom in CA had to move to county by county restrictions because the rural republican parts of the state were rebelling. Masking is pretty much 100% in Bay Area and San Diego county from what I’ve seen but not so much in Bakersfield.

[Queen Dick, Hibernating Bear]

This country is way too big to run.

Left Coast, who's with me on the United States of Caligonington?

Tofu in every pot and a dope store on every corner.

[scout8]

Nov 8, 2020 20:35:12 GMT -5 isabel said:

Nov 8, 2020 18:13:08 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

I obviously am not downplaying anything, but the vast majority people survive covid, so yes people will still be alive.

I just posted the transition team website. So it'll be interesting to see if things like testing are more available if states will use that help or not. Here it's so easy to get tested and they encourage people to get tested, but I know that's not the case everywhere. I'm happy to see that the transition team is hard at work. 
 

Do you think it's possible we'll start to see extreme differences in case rates between blue states and red states when there is national guidance in place? Or will it not matter because people in blue states are selfish too and will be traveling and bringing COVID back? I'm trying to decide if political affiliation will matter once there is trusted guidance in place.

I think this is already happening. I just looked at cases adjusted for population today and the top fourteen were red states and/or states with Republicans in charge. I know that the first two on the list were North and South Dakota.

[rubytue]

Nov 8, 2020 22:09:54 GMT -5 Queen Dick, Hibernating Bear said:

This country is way too big to run.

Left Coast, who's with me on the United States of Caligonington?

Tofu in every pot and a dope store on every corner.

I hate to say it, but I don’t think you are wrong. I was chatting with a friends about this recently. He was saying to carve out the middle (and give them to Russia 🙄).  But... I’m not sure it’s wrong. 

[centralsquare]

Nov 8, 2020 18:08:47 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

I got in a fight with my dad about covid in July, and got out of his car and walked home, because he’s a covid denier. And I’m a nurse, and deal with it, and have had it. And he told me I was stupid and dumb, and being used as a pawn by the democrats.

We haven’t spoken since.

I’m so sorry. That must be painful.

I’ve also been told I’ve been brainwashed (by my uncle, not my dad.) It sucks.

[Queen Dick, Hibernating Bear]

Nov 8, 2020 22:19:52 GMT -5 rubytue said:

Nov 8, 2020 22:09:54 GMT -5 Queen Dick, Hibernating Bear said:

This country is way too big to run.

Left Coast, who's with me on the United States of Caligonington?

Tofu in every pot and a dope store on every corner.

I hate to say it, but I don’t think you are wrong. I was chatting with a friends about this recently. He was saying to carve out the middle (and give them to Russia 🙄).  But... I’m not sure it’s wrong. 

We (CA) have the largest US population and the 5th largest economy in the world. We don't need any of the other states. I'm willing to loop in OR and WA but they have to toe the line.