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Are swollen lymph nodes a side effect of Moderna? I noticed last night that I have a small lump on my collarbone on the same side as my injection. I don't think it was there before - it's noticeable and I didn't notice it before yesterday, 4 days post vaccine.
Yes! And they can stay swollen for awhile. I’ve seen reports of 5-10 days.
it just means they are working to make antibodies. Same way they swell when you are sick.
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Are swollen lymph nodes a side effect of Moderna? I noticed last night that I have a small lump on my collarbone on the same side as my injection. I don't think it was there before - it's noticeable and I didn't notice it before yesterday, 4 days post vaccine.
Yes. When your immune system is working and doing what it does in "overdrive" it can cause swollen lymph nodes.
I know people keep saying on here it doesn’t matter who is getting vaccinated, just get as many people vaccinated as possible, but I want to once again highlight inequities that are continuing to happen. They are important to address and to say it doesn’t matter is quite frankly ignorant.
YES!!
I know I’ve been all over the place on this issue. From raging at people out of order as possibly taking shots from others, to a “shots in arms” approach. But, I’ve settles on a more tempered “wait your turn, please.” Combined with “this rollout sucks!”
The reports of leftover shots at the end of the day are fueling this justification. Yes, it’s better than having it go to waste. But there are local reports of 65 years olds waiting in line at Giant, for those leftover shots. So, it’s not like there isn’t a demand for those. And, it’s been long enough They are planning around that now, too. For all the stories of people you know who can’t get a shot, want one, and are qualified... Well, think about your privilege to be able to drop everything and show up on no notice. Whereas people can’t get an appointment.
And the stories about what went down in Philly... disgusting.
I know people keep saying on here it doesn’t matter who is getting vaccinated, just get as many people vaccinated as possible, but I want to once again highlight inequities that are continuing to happen. They are important to address and to say it doesn’t matter is quite frankly ignorant.
YES!!
I know I’ve been all over the place on this issue. From raging at people out of order as possibly taking shots from others, to a “shots in arms” approach. But, I’ve settles on a more tempered “wait your turn, please.” Combined with “this rollout sucks!”
The reports of leftover shots at the end of the day are fueling this justification. Yes, it’s better than having it go to waste. But there are local reports of 65 years olds waiting in line at Giant, for those leftover shots. So, it’s not like there isn’t a demand for those. And, it’s been long enough They are planning around that now, too. For all the stories of people you know who can’t get a shot, want one, and are qualified... Well, think about your privilege to be able to drop everything and show up on no notice. Whereas people can’t get an appointment.
And the stories about what went down in Philly... disgusting.
Yep. I volunteered in Flint last week - I live about an hour away. I was hoping to see a lot more POC than I did, but unfortunately, it was really, really white. To be fair, it was an outdoor, drive-through clinic, and there were several other volunteers in my area, so I didn't see in all of the cars that came through. But my guess is that a lot of those with appointments came from elsewhere in the county.
And while I don't want to see shots wasted, I also don't want to see young people with no pre-existing conditions who can stay home getting vaccinated ahead of people who have a more legitimate need.
Thanks Wandering. I did look at this last night. It says “ A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).” And also, “ The first primary end point was the efficacy of BNT162b2 against confirmed Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose in participants who had been without serologic or virologic evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection up to 7 days after the second dose.” To me, it doesn’t appear to be talking about confirmed symptoms at the 7 day mark it is talking about confirmed contraction? The follow up after 7 days seems to be based on symptoms, but it seemed to be the 7 day confirmed Covid that drove the effectivity.
I hope I’m not coming across as argumentative. I’m not trying to be!
We do a weekly symptom check on an app, and if you report any possible symptoms, they test you (and they gave us a home kit too). The seven-day detail is just referring to the fact that if you get Covid before day 7 post-second dose (or had a positive Covid test or antibody titers before that day), it's excluded from the analysis. They counted all confirmed infections with onset after day 7 until the existing data were analyzed (8 vs 162). The math is more complicated than this, but essentially it assumes that 154 cases of theoretically 162 were prevented in the vaccine group (95 percent).
So the VE data are based on confirmed cases any time after 7 days post second dose (reported symptoms on app or to the study coordinators, confirmed by nasal swab).
It is possible that there were asymptomatic infections that wouldn't be caught by virologic testing, but they eventually would show up in the serological data (blood antibodies). Those data haven't been released (because they were not one of the major endpoints and I'm assuming the numbers were too small to be significant at the time of analysis).
It is possible for some number of vaccinated individuals to be asymptomatically infected and also infectious (like we see in some unvaccinated people), or maybe they are asymptomatic and non-infectious because of the vaccine keeping their viral levels lower (like tamiflu can reduce the chance you infect others). But those questions aren't answered in this study because they aren't measuring the viral load or the amount of viral particles people are spewing. Or maybe there are just very few asymptomatic cases (which we'll eventually see in the serological data). But that's why clinical trials are designed to answer specific questions that are the most significant at the time. In this case, how well does the vaccine protect the recipient from contracting Covid and being hospitalized/dying; not how well it protects the people they breathe on. The question of its protection of the community can be estimated later when we have a lot more population data.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
I know people keep saying on here it doesn’t matter who is getting vaccinated, just get as many people vaccinated as possible, but I want to once again highlight inequities that are continuing to happen. They are important to address and to say it doesn’t matter is quite frankly ignorant.
YES!!
I know I’ve been all over the place on this issue. From raging at people out of order as possibly taking shots from others, to a “shots in arms” approach. But, I’ve settles on a more tempered “wait your turn, please.” Combined with “this rollout sucks!”
The reports of leftover shots at the end of the day are fueling this justification. Yes, it’s better than having it go to waste. But there are local reports of 65 years olds waiting in line at Giant, for those leftover shots. So, it’s not like there isn’t a demand for those. And, it’s been long enough They are planning around that now, too. For all the stories of people you know who can’t get a shot, want one, and are qualified... Well, think about your privilege to be able to drop everything and show up on no notice. Whereas people can’t get an appointment.
And the stories about what went down in Philly... disgusting.
I’ve been thinking about this whole process a lot, as someone who was able to get a dose by dropping everything I was doing to make it there on time. The fact that no one else I knew who needed it more could make it there in time is definitely a privilege that I’ve never denied.
I still think tossing even a single dose out is the worst possible outcome of all. And when the clock is ticking, even going door to door in a high-needs community won’t necessarily result in every dose being used up because there’s no guarantee the person on the other side of the door will accept the dose, or perhaps they’ve already had a shot. It would be great if there was a really seamless, streamlined way to guarantee that unused doses could go directly to people who will accept them and are home to receive them without requiring additional previous time to call, text, etc. We may be running out of congregate settings to send extra doses to, like nursing homes, since the vast majority of willing residents and staff have received them here. Prisons would actually probably be a great destination for extra doses, but there’s the whole negative publicity thing with that (I’d support it for sure). We also have a lot of vaccination sites here, so coordinating extra shots to go to destinations that need them is also a huge logistical undertaking because they’d need to be taken from lots of different sites.
Basically, I don’t know the best answer aside from setting up sites in communities for specific ZIP codes, which in a city of our density should include enough people to get vaccinated. But even then, unused doses at the end of the day could still be an issue.
I feel our state has been fairly equitable. I am sure there are always examples to the contrary, but they are trying. However, we are now ranked 47th in the country for immunizations, so that is not good. I am not sure what is going wrong? Maybe they didn't move into 1B quickly enough? I feel like in some communities it might take knocking on some doors by nurses to persuade people.
I want to once again highlight inequities that are continuing to happen.
Thank you for keeping this front and center. Inequities are part of the backlash against the governor's new plan of using Bluecross/BlueSheild for vaccine distribution in California.
Locally, the biggest risk factor by far is living in an long term residential facility (83% of our deaths). Our health department has been great about getting out to those facilities and getting residents vaccinated. The complications come with that next level. Our local health department has a vaccine interest sign up form and it directly addresses equity issues (race but also things like multigenerational living which is an increased risk factor and locally tends to correlate with lower income or communities of color). They contact people to schedule appointments according to those risk factors. Which is great for those health department vaccines. Our equity issues arise because so many vaccines are going out through the hospitals. Those are great for targeting health related risk factors (because they know age and who has cancer/COPD/etc.) but isn't great for economic and racial equity issues since their members and contacts often have the privileges of private health insurance.
I think they are doing a big push to cover the 75+ crowd first despite the mixed messaging at the state level. Are they easy driving distance to SF? If so, PM me.
You have PM.
I sent you a link I don't want to litter these threads with the latest local info, since that changes every day or two and is only relevant to a few
Thanks Wandering. I did look at this last night. It says “ A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).” And also, “ The first primary end point was the efficacy of BNT162b2 against confirmed Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose in participants who had been without serologic or virologic evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection up to 7 days after the second dose.” To me, it doesn’t appear to be talking about confirmed symptoms at the 7 day mark it is talking about confirmed contraction? The follow up after 7 days seems to be based on symptoms, but it seemed to be the 7 day confirmed Covid that drove the effectivity.
I hope I’m not coming across as argumentative. I’m not trying to be!
We do a weekly symptom check on an app, and if you report any possible symptoms, they test you (and they gave us a home kit too). The seven-day detail is just referring to the fact that if you get Covid before day 7 post-second dose (or had a positive Covid test or antibody titers before that day), it's excluded from the analysis. They counted all confirmed infections with onset after day 7 until the existing data were analyzed (8 vs 162). The math is more complicated than this, but essentially it assumes that 154 cases of theoretically 162 were prevented in the vaccine group (95 percent).
So the VE data are based on confirmed cases any time after 7 days post second dose (reported symptoms on app or to the study coordinators, confirmed by nasal swab).
It is possible that there were asymptomatic infections that wouldn't be caught by virologic testing, but they eventually would show up in the serological data (blood antibodies). Those data haven't been released (because they were not one of the major endpoints and I'm assuming the numbers were too small to be significant at the time of analysis).
It is possible for some number of vaccinated individuals to be asymptomatically infected and also infectious (like we see in some unvaccinated people), or maybe they are asymptomatic and non-infectious because of the vaccine keeping their viral levels lower (like tamiflu can reduce the chance you infect others). But those questions aren't answered in this study because they aren't measuring the viral load or the amount of viral particles people are spewing. Or maybe there are just very few asymptomatic cases (which we'll eventually see in the serological data). But that's why clinical trials are designed to answer specific questions that are the most significant at the time. In this case, how well does the vaccine protect the recipient from contracting Covid and being hospitalized/dying; not how well it protects the people they breathe on. The question of its protection of the community can be estimated later when we have a lot more population data.
I feel our state has been fairly equitable. I am sure there are always examples to the contrary, but they are trying. However, we are now ranked 47th in the country for immunizations, so that is not good. I am not sure what is going wrong? Maybe they didn't move into 1B quickly enough? I feel like in some communities it might take knocking on some doors by nurses to persuade people.
Do you have open appointments that no one is interested in?
If you do, my opinion is that II would much rather see the next group opened up (1c, 2, whatever it is in your state) rather than use resources to convince people in the current group to get the vaccine. There are millions of people waiting for it.
Now making sure the vaccine is accessible in minority neighborhoods and appointments are going live at a variety of time so people who are actually working can get appointments and sending nurses out to vaccinate the elderly and disabled and a bunch of other things that enable people who want the vaccine and are eligible for the vaccine to get it, absolutely!
I feel our state has been fairly equitable. I am sure there are always examples to the contrary, but they are trying. However, we are now ranked 47th in the country for immunizations, so that is not good. I am not sure what is going wrong? Maybe they didn't move into 1B quickly enough? I feel like in some communities it might take knocking on some doors by nurses to persuade people.
Do you have open appointments that no one is interested in?
If you do, my opinion is that II would much rather see the next group opened up (1c, 2, whatever it is in your state) rather than use resources to convince people in the current group to get the vaccine. There are millions of people waiting for it.
Now making sure the vaccine is accessible in minority neighborhoods and appointments are going live at a variety of time so people who are actually working can get appointments and sending nurses out to vaccinate the elderly and disabled and a bunch of other things that enable people who want the vaccine and are eligible for the vaccine to get it, absolutely!
But often the people who are most at risk are the ones you have to persuade to get the vaccine. Issues with historical distrust of vaccines in the black communities. Issues with lack of infomration/ access to incorrect information among people with lower levels of education. Issues with lack of information due to language issues among immigrants. All of those require people who are at risk being 'convinced' to get the vaccine.
I know we've seen a lot of talk on here and elsewhere about people getting vaccines who aren't in the high priority groups, but locally the only instance I know of was when a shipment in a more rural town had refrigeration problems so they sent out blanket emails. Once the people arrived, they went out to those waiting and prioritized by age amongst them. Other than that, everyone I have heard about has been in accordance with the guidelines. Yes, there have been very real equity problems. People with privilege can travel further on shorter notice to get vaccines. It's still qualified 80 year olds jockeying for position in the vaccine lines not middle aged work from home professionals.
We got our "here's how to sign up for the vaccine" email. We have to go through a special link to verify our employer (it came from the district). Once the vaccines are scheduled to arrive, the health system will conduct a lottery to see who is eligible to *make an appointment*. If you don't respond to the invitation to make your appointment within a day, you lose your spot. They will do this as vaccines are shipped in, so everything they are saying is "there is no guarantee you will get the vaccine."
I wonder how long it will take with this kind of process for all school staff in the state to get it?
Do you have open appointments that no one is interested in?
If you do, my opinion is that II would much rather see the next group opened up (1c, 2, whatever it is in your state) rather than use resources to convince people in the current group to get the vaccine. There are millions of people waiting for it.
But often the people who are most at risk are the ones you have to persuade to get the vaccine. Issues with historical distrust of vaccines in the black communities. Issues with lack of infomration/ access to incorrect information among people with lower levels of education. Issues with lack of information due to language issues among immigrants. All of those require people who are at risk being 'convinced' to get the vaccine.
Yes.
And these aren't the same resources. Public health educators aren't the ones administering vaccines. You can have a robust public health campaign that gets input from at risk communities and does education and access outreach without wasting doses. The risk of death for high risk groups is so much higher than low risk groups. Jumping over them for the next person who happens to be close and available would be a huge disservice.
But often the people who are most at risk are the ones you have to persuade to get the vaccine. Issues with historical distrust of vaccines in the black communities. Issues with lack of infomration/ access to incorrect information among people with lower levels of education. Issues with lack of information due to language issues among immigrants. All of those require people who are at risk being 'convinced' to get the vaccine.
Yes.
And these aren't the same resources. Public health educators aren't the ones administering vaccines. You can have a robust public health campaign that gets input from at risk communities and does education and access outreach without wasting doses. The risk of death for high risk groups is so much higher than low risk groups. Jumping over them for the next person who happens to be close and available would be a huge disservice.
jamaicam as well I certainly agree with both of you and worded that poorly. There should absolutely be a a robust public health campaign and outreach. I was reacting more to the idea of using significant nursing resources to go door to door. The education should be happening now.
I feel our state has been fairly equitable. I am sure there are always examples to the contrary, but they are trying. However, we are now ranked 47th in the country for immunizations, so that is not good. I am not sure what is going wrong? Maybe they didn't move into 1B quickly enough? I feel like in some communities it might take knocking on some doors by nurses to persuade people.
Do you have open appointments that no one is interested in?
If you do, my opinion is that II would much rather see the next group opened up (1c, 2, whatever it is in your state) rather than use resources to convince people in the current group to get the vaccine. There are millions of people waiting for it.
Now making sure the vaccine is accessible in minority neighborhoods and appointments are going live at a variety of time so people who are actually working can get appointments and sending nurses out to vaccinate the elderly and disabled and a bunch of other things that enable people who want the vaccine and are eligible for the vaccine to get it, absolutely!
No we don't have open appointments that no one is interested in. We just moved to 1b as a state, and each county is doing something different, so that in itself is just not equal. National guard mass vaccination sites are in the largest population counties, but what about the county right next to it that also has a large city in it? And now, no one can find appointments anywhere.
The federal government program is doing long term care homes here and definitely lagging on it.
There is a lot of effort (at least that they talk about) to get to those areas with a lot of minorities, but I don't know if they are being successful or just talking.
I actually don't understand why we are lagging, and everyone is blaming everyone else. Governor blames the Feds type thing. And I don't know why some counties are allowed to say hey we can't do 1b so we aren't. If the county health department can't do it, then why not send help from the national guard since the national guard is helping other counties?
Since it is all locally run, some health departments have staff and money and some just don't is my take. The county where I work in, is doing very poorly throughout the entire pandemic in terms of everything (vaccines/ contact tracing). The county where I live is doing much better, and where I live and work the 2 counties are basically within 5 miles of each other.
My state (Maine) is one of the most rural, and that’s what is driving inequities here. My family could hop in the car right now, sign up for a vaccination online, and after four hours of driving we could secure a vaccination in a more rural area, where there are often appointments left over. But we have the income and flexibility to do that. Alternatively, my H works for a large health provider, and each week they hold a lottery to give away leftover vaccines, so some of his colleagues, healthy and in their 20s/30s, have been vaccinated. Most Mainers are not that connected, especially our communities of color, who are almost all living in the two largest cities. The state is trying to set up a registry system to address this, but receiving major flack for how long it’s taking.
Pfizer plans to deliver 200 million doses of its coronavirus vaccine to the U.S. by May, earlier than its initial forecast of July, according to slides published Tuesday by the drugmaker ahead of its fourth-quarter earnings call.
Just got back from getting Dose 1! (I'm a public school employee, student-facing, group 1B in my county/state.) It could not have been easier, more streamlined, more welcoming, etc. I was in the middle of telling the nurse (PA? vax administrator?) that I'm not a big fan of needles (all I got out was, "I'm not a big fa----") and he was done. Didn't even really feel it go in (the needle or the vax itself--sometimes when I get the flu shot, whatever the solution is burns). And that was it. Had to wait the requisite 10 minutes post-shot (I played casino games on my phone, lol), and I was on my way.
I have never been so happy or grateful to have to go to a hospital center in the snow for a medical professional to stick me with a needle.
The health system I work for is transitioning to vaccinating the general public and will be one of the main vaccination sites for the county. They have been able to trial drive through clinics and other large scale operations so I am excited for this development.
One approach that I find interesting is that we are gathering names of people interested and then contacting them to set up an appointment. Rather than people setting up their own appointment via online mechanism. It takes away the frantic nature of trying to get an appointment. Now of course a huge healthcare system has the ability to set it up this way. Already has customer service representatives that can take on the task. I am curious to see how it goes. They are also not limiting access to just our patients. It is open to the whole community and neighboring counties actually. I am trying to get my ILs to sign up because I think this system is going to be much slicker then them depending on their DPH.
Anyways I love watching processes get ironed out. It gives me little bits of hope.
I know people keep saying on here it doesn’t matter who is getting vaccinated, just get as many people vaccinated as possible, but I want to once again highlight inequities that are continuing to happen. They are important to address and to say it doesn’t matter is quite frankly ignorant.
This is a nice summary, but I hate the last subheading that says "Persuading people to get the shot." It needs to talk about how the healthcare system is complicit in being bias and racist and what the health care system is going to do to change.
I’m speaking on a few neighborhood panels over the next couple of weeks so I look forward to speaking directly to people in Black and brown communities like my own to discuss vaccinating. You all should talk to your local officials to find out what they’re doing about equity, just like when you call for other reasons. Also, you can sign up to volunteer and observe how things are going yourself. My doctor friend did just that and when she say that most appointments were white people in a mostly Hispanic neighborhood she contacted her city council and the media and now more appointment slots are saved for the local community. Change can happen with action.
"And in Washington, 40 percent of the nearly 7,000 appointments initially made available to people 65 and older were taken by residents of its wealthiest and whitest ward, which is in the city’s upper northwest section and has had only five percent of its Covid deaths.
“We want people regardless of their race and geography to be vaccinated, but I think the priority should be getting it to the people who are contracting Covid at the highest rates and dying from it,” said Kenyan McDuffie, a member of the City Council whose district is two-thirds Black and Latino."
"Officials in Wake County, N.C., which includes Raleigh, are first attempting to reach people 75 and over who live in nine ZIP codes that have had the highest rates of Covid. “We weren’t going to prioritize those who simply had the fastest internet service or best cell provider and got through fastest and first,” said Stacy Beard, a county spokeswoman."
I couldn't agree more. To say -- from quite privileged positions -- that it's been a free for all, so just get vaccinated as soon as you can, is fundamentally selfish and part of the reason we have persistent inequities.
From the beginning of the article: "To me, it’s simple.
If you, like me, are not medically compromised and have been working from home over the past year while drawing your full salary, you have two options.
You can sit patiently until some institution calls you to get vaccinated.
Or, you can proactively organize with other people to make sure your government is distributing vaccines equitably to people who need them the most, especially those who don’t have many advocates—such as the millions of people who are living in congregate care settings, in prisons, or tent cities in the U.S., and the billions of people living in poor countries around the world.
But if you, like me, have been working from home and drawing your full salary in the pandemic, you cannot be trying to game the internet to get vaccinated before the (disproportionately Black and brown) postal carriers, hospital orderlies, cooks, food delivery people, Amazon package drivers, bus drivers, nurses, day care workers, doctors, grocery store shelf stockers, order fulfilment warehouse specialists, cashiers, people who’ve lost their jobs at your workplace while you’ve kept yours, people who never had a job or a home while you had both—and anyone else you may have banged a pot for at sunset in the early days of COVID.
In other words, if you’ve been working from home, you can’t ethically be line-jumping ahead of the very people who made it possible for you to work from home, at great personal risk."
I have a possibly foolish question whose answer is probably readily available or obvious, but I haven't been able to keep up with all the COVID discussions and articles. Please humor me.
The data regarding efficacy are very encouraging, and I'm very much pro-vaccine, so I'm not throwing shade. I'm just curious about the long-term effects of COVID infections and the relationship between these and vaccination. Is it too soon to know whether those infected but asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms are subject to the same long-term health implications? And is it too early to know whether those who are vaccinated and then still infected are less apt to have long-term issues?
We have friends who've had COVID and were fortunate not to be terribly ill, and they're delighted now, as they have antibodies (however temporarily). Honestly, they act like they're better off for having had it, and I can't wrap my head around that.
@@@@@@ (Do we use the @ if we are going to mention parents of adults (ourselves)?
My folks are in Maine and scheduled for dose 1 today and next Tuesday. I am so happy for them and also somewhat relieved, even though it will likely be months before I get my shot(s). I have been so, so worried about them.
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Are swollen lymph nodes a side effect of Moderna? I noticed last night that I have a small lump on my collarbone on the same side as my injection. I don't think it was there before - it's noticeable and I didn't notice it before yesterday, 4 days post vaccine.
I know several others have already replied, but my lymph nodes swelled up starting 5 days (if I recall correctly, or maybe 4?) after my first dose of Moderna and stayed swollen and painful for 2-3 days. I get my second tomorrow, so I'm not sure what will happen there.
Pilsy, I think we can't really know about long-term consequences yet since we've only known about the disease for a year, and the first few months we don't have any idea who had asymptomatic cases since we didn't have enough testing.
I have read articles that say there was lung or heart damage in some athletes tested over the summer who were asymptomatic, but not how long this damage lasted or implications later in life. The article pointed out that other coronaviruses like the cold could do the same thing temporarily but we might not know because we didn't study them as thoroughly.
I know people keep saying on here it doesn’t matter who is getting vaccinated, just get as many people vaccinated as possible, but I want to once again highlight inequities that are continuing to happen. They are important to address and to say it doesn’t matter is quite frankly ignorant.
I couldn't agree more. To say -- from quite privileged positions -- that it's been a free for all, so just get vaccinated as soon as you can, is fundamentally selfish and part of the reason we have persistent inequities.
Thank you both for reiterating this very important point. People keep using the excuse that vaccines are being thrown away to make themselves feel better for being privileged enough to jump the line. I've yet to read any actual evidence that this is actually happening.
Getting shots into the arms of the most vulnerable should be everyone's goal.
Pilsy , I think we can't really know about long-term consequences yet since we've only known about the disease for a year, and the first few months we don't have any idea who had asymptomatic cases since we didn't have enough testing.
I have read articles that say there was lung or heart damage in some athletes tested over the summer who were asymptomatic, but not how long this damage lasted or implications later in life. The article pointed out that other coronaviruses like the cold could do the same thing temporarily but we might not know because we didn't study them as thoroughly.
Makes sense - thank you! And I feel silly for asking, but these people celebrating having had it make me doubt myself!
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Are swollen lymph nodes a side effect of Moderna? I noticed last night that I have a small lump on my collarbone on the same side as my injection. I don't think it was there before - it's noticeable and I didn't notice it before yesterday, 4 days post vaccine.
I know several others have already replied, but my lymph nodes swelled up starting 5 days (if I recall correctly, or maybe 4?) after my first dose of Moderna and stayed swollen and painful for 2-3 days. I get my second tomorrow, so I'm not sure what will happen there.
Keep me posted, would you? I assume that’s what this is - it’s a little tender to the touch, slightly larger than a pea, and it moves. Sitting right on my collarbone.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”