Drunk driving

[bigmamma]

I should have made popcorn. meh, vodka works.

[ilovelamp]

I totally didn't mean for the post to turn into drama llama.

[bigmamma]

Jun 3, 2012 23:33:33 GMT -5 ilovelamp said:

I totally didn't mean for the post to turn into drama llama.

I don't think there has been any name calling yet, maybe a drama puppy or yak.

Good thing I'm not driving tonight gonna grab some whiskey.

[ilovelamp]

Haha. Drama panda? I love those furry friends.

[bigmamma]

yes, panda it is.

[beans]

Jun 3, 2012 21:21:44 GMT -5 Jam said:

I'm not even going to lie about it, I'm in my late 20s and I've driven after two drinks. Sometimes I feel like I'm even more alert than otherwise after a tequila sunrise. I wouldn't risk it if I felt like I was remotely intoxicated. I'd wait it out until I sobered up if I thought I was buzzed.

Even as a DD I've had a drink. I don't think anyone should be driving around if they're drunk, obviously, but everyone has a different tolerance level.

wrt the bolded statement- this is the shit 16 year olds say... just because you think something, doesn't mean its true. By definition alcohol is in the depressant category of mind-altering substances, meaning that it depresses your system, and makes reaction times/cognition slower. So regardless of what you feel, you are not actually more alert if you have had something to drink.

(ftr, not trying to pick on you specifically but lots of people say this, and its just not true, I wanted to point that out to anyone reading... the science just proves it to be wrong)

[beans]

Jun 3, 2012 23:33:33 GMT -5 ilovelamp said:

I totally didn't mean for the post to turn into drama llama.

well, its a pretty charged subject because of how it effects people (meaning many of us have had loved ones die or be seriously injured from it), so its bound to be more drama than something about what makeup brand you use...

besides, we need more action around here anyway

[Dory1988]

Like a PP said, just because .04 or whatever is legal doesn't mean it's okay or that you can function at it even if you feel fine or have a "high tolerance". We have plenty of traumas whose BAC is less than .08. They're in the same position as those that are over the legal limit, lying in bed, on vents, massive brain injuries or bleeds, and may not live. Sometimes seeing the heartbreak in their families is almost unbearable. IMO, it's better to be safe than sorry.

[Dory1988]

I meant to say alcohol related traumas. I can't edit from my phone.

[beachy]

Jun 4, 2012 8:38:11 GMT -5 Dory1988 said:

Like a PP said, just because .04 or whatever is legal doesn't mean it's okay or that you can function at it even if you feel fine or have a "high tolerance";. We have plenty of traumas whose BAC is less than .08. They're in the same position as those that are over the legal limit, lying in bed, on vents, massive brain injuries or bleeds, and may not live. Sometimes seeing the heartbreak in their families is almost unbearable. IMO, it's better to be safe than sorry.

The law does say that it's ok. Personal opinions and morals are different than the law.

[ilovelamp]

FMF, are you a RN?

[verycontrary247]

I bet at least half of you with the vendetta against driving after 2 drinks text while driving.

THERE'S STILL AN IMPAIRMENT wah wah waaaah

[ilovelamp]

Jun 4, 2012 8:38:11 GMT -5 Dory1988 said:

Like a PP said, just because .04 or whatever is legal doesn't mean it's okay or that you can function at it even if you feel fine or have a "high tolerance". We have plenty of traumas whose BAC is less than .08. They're in the same position as those that are over the legal limit, lying in bed, on vents, massive brain injuries or bleeds, and may not live. Sometimes seeing the heartbreak in their families is almost unbearable. IMO, it's better to be safe than sorry.

Don't flame too hard but I honestly didn't know one drink affects people that much. I thought I'm safe having one beer and then driving, I actually thought it was responsible (that's why I thought they had .08 limit so people can have one and be okay). Looks like I was wrong and won't be drinking even one before driving anymore.

[beachy]

Jun 4, 2012 8:55:00 GMT -5 ilovelamp said:

Don't flame too hard but I honestly didn't know one drink affects people that much. I thought I'm safe having one beer and then driving, I actually thought it was responsible (that's why I thought they had .08 limit so people can have one and be okay). Looks like I was wrong and won't be drinking even one before driving anymore.

It depends on many factors as already mentioned. Personally I know one beer doesn't affect me. That doesn't mean it won't affect you or anyone else differently.

I'm not at all saying that things can't or don't happen when you're below the legal limit. But if it was that common or considered that much of a threat then there would be a lower limit or zero tolerance whatsoever.

[ggirl]

Jun 4, 2012 8:54:51 GMT -5 verycontrary247 said:

I bet at least half of you with the vendetta against driving after 2 drinks text while driving.

THERE'S STILL AN IMPAIRMENT wah wah waaaah

Truth.

[Dory1988]

You probably could attribute some of it to crappy driving. I'll admit that but still.

[Dory1988]

And no, I do not text while driving.

[Dory1988]

Lamp, I'm a respiratory therapist.

[iluvmytxrgr]

Jun 3, 2012 22:15:16 GMT -5 beachy said:

Jun 3, 2012 21:58:13 GMT -5 audette said:

So, what do you do when the cop asks if you have been drinking? Lie?

It's a fairly simple risk/reward calculation - drink, and enjoy the alcohol, and put yourself at risk of a DWI or DUI. Or, avoid the enjoyment of an alocoholic beverage, and avoid the risk.

The reward is minimal, and barely mars your life to not have it (the alcohol - really, we're all adults, and, hopefully, not addicted to alcohol, so none of us need it for anything more than a bit of enjoyment or enhancement to an evening/meal). The risk is _massive_ - it goes well beyond simply getting caught with alcohol in your system, it includes the various things that can happen because the alcohol impairs your reaction time and your cognitive processes. Even one drink has some impact, although it might be less than what is written as the "legal limit". And by the time you "feel" tipsy, you are _well_ into the range of significant impairment.


So, it comes down to a huge risk for minimal/negligible reward.


It's a calculation that puts me firmly in the no alcohol if driving camp.

According to multiple cop friends, yes. If you say you have been drinking they usually will automatically do tests and/or a breathalyzer. If you say no and/or refuse a breathalyzer they can't do a test until they bring you into the station, if they chose to do that. I'm not saying that that's what I would do, but that is what I've been told you should do.

As for the rest of the stuff, I'm done arguing it. I'm not an idiot. I'm a health teacher and have heard and taught all of this stuff before. So I don't need more lessons on the effect of alcohol on different parts of your body and how it effects your driving. Most people know all of this already.

If you think I'm an asshole because I have a drink or two when I'm out and driving, so be it. Everyone has their own opinions and feelings on the topic, and are going to do what they are comfortable with. Personally I enjoy a good drink or beer and know how to enjoy it while staying within legal limits. You choose to abstain from it. Neither of us are breaking the law.

As some one who has worked in law enforcement, been through a shit load of training as far as drunk drivers go and have friends who are police officers in multiple states, that advice is shit. Lying to the cops when, 9 times out of 10, they can smell the alcohol will get you no where. In this state and most others, refusing a breathalyzer or field test is an automatic arrest. You can request the blood test instead of the breath test, but that's just a dumb move if you've been drinking.

[beachy]

Jun 4, 2012 9:17:12 GMT -5 iluvmytxrgr said:

Jun 3, 2012 22:15:16 GMT -5 beachy said:

According to multiple cop friends, yes. If you say you have been drinking they usually will automatically do tests and/or a breathalyzer. If you say no and/or refuse a breathalyzer they can't do a test until they bring you into the station, if they chose to do that. I'm not saying that that's what I would do, but that is what I've been told you should do.

As for the rest of the stuff, I'm done arguing it. I'm not an idiot. I'm a health teacher and have heard and taught all of this stuff before. So I don't need more lessons on the effect of alcohol on different parts of your body and how it effects your driving. Most people know all of this already.

If you think I'm an asshole because I have a drink or two when I'm out and driving, so be it. Everyone has their own opinions and feelings on the topic, and are going to do what they are comfortable with. Personally I enjoy a good drink or beer and know how to enjoy it while staying within legal limits. You choose to abstain from it. Neither of us are breaking the law.

As some one who has worked in law enforcement, been through a shit load of training as far as drunk drivers go and have friends who are police officers in multiple states, that advice is shit. Lying to the cops when, 9 times out of 10, they can smell the alcohol will get you no where. In this state and most others, refusing a breathalyzer or field test is an automatic arrest. You can request the blood test instead of the breath test, but that's just a dumb move if you've been drinking.

Like I said, I'm not saying that I would do it, but that's what I was told. I just looked to be sure and the state I'm from is not an automatic arrest for refusing the test. However it is an automatic license suspension for 12 months, so obviously you wouldn't do it unless you were really drunk and would be completely screwed by a breathalyzer, where waiting for a blood test could potentially help you. I'm not at all condoning that, just saying where I think they were coming from with that "advice."

[ggirl]

I don't want to quote beachy since there is so much but yes, in Nys if you refuse it is an admission of guilt, however if you would hve been way over legal limit it does work out in that persons favor. They will most likely get a suspension of a year, but can qualify for conditional. They will get a fine, have to attend drinking drive program, victims impact program, and now they would get the ignition interrupt system in their car for a year.

[audette]

Jun 4, 2012 9:04:06 GMT -5 beachy said:

Jun 4, 2012 8:55:00 GMT -5 ilovelamp said:

Don't flame too hard but I honestly didn't know one drink affects people that much. I thought I'm safe having one beer and then driving, I actually thought it was responsible (that's why I thought they had .08 limit so people can have one and be okay). Looks like I was wrong and won't be drinking even one before driving anymore.

It depends on many factors as already mentioned. Personally I know one beer doesn't affect me. That doesn't mean it won't affect you or anyone else differently.

I'm not at all saying that things can't or don't happen when you're below the legal limit. But if it was that common or considered that much of a threat then there would be a lower limit or zero tolerance whatsoever.

It might be worth mentioning that the US has the highest allowable blood alcohol content permitted while driving compared with the rest of the world. (http://www.icap.org/portals/0/download/all_pdfs/icap_reports_english/report11.pdf - this is a touch dated, 2002, but even still)

Some countries have zero tolerance. Many are in the range of about half of what the US allows.

Which leads me to the conclusion that many other places have determined that impairment begins well before it is acknowledged legally here. Which feeds my personal zero tolerance belief.

I'll admit, I don't publicly fuss at someone who chooses to drink one or two with a meal or over an evening and still drive. But I won't accept a ride from them, either. I can't control their behaviour (especially as that one or two drinks are unlikely to get them to the point of driving illegally), but I can control my actions.

[audette]

Jun 4, 2012 7:47:37 GMT -5 beans said:

Jun 3, 2012 23:33:33 GMT -5 ilovelamp said:

I totally didn't mean for the post to turn into drama llama.

well, its a pretty charged subject because of how it effects people (meaning many of us have had loved ones die or be seriously injured from it), so its bound to be more drama than something about what makeup brand you use...

besides, we need more action around here anyway

This. It's an emotionally charged topic. There's really no avoiding a certain amount of drama.

[beans]

Dude some of the people in this thread are making me feel like this:

GIFSoup

[beachy]

Jun 4, 2012 9:50:57 GMT -5 @ojo said:

LOL that someone's advising a bunch of people associated with the military to lie to police officers. False official statements don't apply to dependents, but you'd better believe that if the installation commander is deciding whether or not to revoke a dependent's base driving privileges for a year, that lie will be taken into consideration. I'm no lawyer, but I'd plead the fifth or invoke my 31 rights before lying to a cop...particularly because FSTs, BACs and BrACs tell a pretty accurate story.

Forfuckssake, I did not tell anyone here to lie to a cop. I was simply stating what I was told.

I really wonder how many of you act this pearly clutchy and sanctimonious IRL.

[beans]

Jun 4, 2012 10:00:58 GMT -5 beachy said:

Jun 4, 2012 9:50:57 GMT -5 @ojo said:

LOL that someone's advising a bunch of people associated with the military to lie to police officers. False official statements don't apply to dependents, but you'd better believe that if the installation commander is deciding whether or not to revoke a dependent's base driving privileges for a year, that lie will be taken into consideration. I'm no lawyer, but I'd plead the fifth or invoke my 31 rights before lying to a cop...particularly because FSTs, BACs and BrACs tell a pretty accurate story.

Forfuckssake, I did not tell anyone here to lie to a cop. I was simply stating what I was told.

I really wonder how many of you act this pearly clutchy and sanctimonious IRL.

beachy- regardless if you care to admit it or not- just by saying what you were told you should lie, and the way you presented it here- it looks like you are condoning this. That may not be the case but you need to remember that we only see the words written on the screen. we cant read your mind and we dont know anything about you.

FTR I read it as you were condoning lying to the police in that situaiton.

[baconlettucetomato]

Jun 4, 2012 9:50:57 GMT -5 @ojo said:

LOL that someone's advising a bunch of people associated with the military to lie to police officers. False official statements don't apply to dependents, but you'd better believe that if the installation commander is deciding whether or not to revoke a dependent's base driving privileges for a year, that lie will be taken into consideration. I'm no lawyer, but I'd plead the fifth or invoke my 31 rights before lying to a cop...particularly because FSTs, BACs and BrACs tell a pretty accurate story.

I'd totally lawyer up. When I worked with CID they always said; No rights, no waiver, no poly.

[beachy]

Jun 4, 2012 10:04:11 GMT -5 beans said:

Jun 4, 2012 10:00:58 GMT -5 beachy said:

Forfuckssake, I did not tell anyone here to lie to a cop. I was simply stating what I was told.

I really wonder how many of you act this pearly clutchy and sanctimonious IRL.

beachy- regardless if you care to admit it or not- just by saying what you were told you should lie, and the way you presented it here- it looks like you are condoning this. That may not be the case but you need to remember that we only see the words written on the screen. we cant read your mind and we dont know anything about you.

FTR I read it as you were condoning lying to the police in that situaiton.

Understandble. But at the same time I've posted on the board for over a year, and feel that if people can't understand who I am or where I'm coming from at this point, then people probably never will.

[beans]

Jun 4, 2012 10:06:56 GMT -5 beachy said:

Jun 4, 2012 10:04:11 GMT -5 beans said:

beachy- regardless if you care to admit it or not- just by saying what you were told you should lie, and the way you presented it here- it looks like you are condoning this. That may not be the case but you need to remember that we only see the words written on the screen. we cant read your mind and we dont know anything about you.

FTR I read it as you were condoning lying to the police in that situaiton.

Understandble. But at the same time I've posted on the board for over a year, and feel that if people can't understand who I am or where I'm coming from at this point, then people probably never will.

well, how well do people really "know" someone on a message board? I don't mean- "OMG you're a noob, no one here knows you!!11!" Its like "we dont really know your intent and things get lost on a message board." fuck, you could be an 80 year old man or a 12 year old or something. ftr, I am irl friends with people here, and I still mis-read them here sometimes...

[ggirl]

According to multiple cop friends, yes. If you say you have been drinking they usually will automatically do tests and/or a breathalyzer. If you say no and/or refuse a breathalyzer they can't do a test until they bring you into the station, if they chose to do that. I'm not saying that that's what I would do, but that is what I've been told you should do.

Read more: pandce.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mil&action=display&thread=13860&page=3#ixzz1wpzdLncK
That's a quote from beachy. I don't understand how that is condoning. She is sharing something she was told. She also states she wouldn't do that.