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[ashleyp728]

Hi!! I thought about posting but I felt too lonely to be a leader. Glad I'm not alone!

[Kahala]

Hey "waves"

[ashleyp728]

Mar 22, 2013 1:09:02 GMT -5 @jennuinne said:

Since I'm here, congrats Ashley on your kicks! So exciting. I've just been noticing kicks the last couple weeks. I love it.

To be honest, I still be thinking t was gas. But during my OB appointment the baby kicked while we were listening with the Doppler, and the doctor confirmed it so I have a better idea of how that feels now. I love it!!

@jennuinee how have you been feeling?

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 1:09:02 GMT -5 @jennuinne said:

Same here. Not sure if I wanted to post. I have mixed feelings about this...
    

separate but equal. we're still one of "them", just separate. that's how i feel about it.

[jamer]

Mar 22, 2013 8:11:39 GMT -5 jennlin said:

Mar 22, 2013 1:09:02 GMT -5 @jennuinne said:

Same here. Not sure if I wanted to post. I have mixed feelings about this...
    

separate but equal. we're still one of "them", just separate. that's how i feel about it.

Yeah feel the same. I read all the posts but didn't want to stir things up anymore than they were already

[ashleyp728]

I was weary about it at first..but now I feel much better posting my @ questions without flooding the regular board. I always felt bad sharing even that the baby kicked yesterday. I never know what was too much @ so here I can share to my hearts content!!

[picksthemusic]

I'm here. I'm happy about it. I was tired of feeling weird about too many @ posts. I was off yesterday and not on the computer or my phone much so I missed the whole conversation, but I think this is a good idea, and hopefully it won't alienate anyone.

[madDawg228]

Hi! I'll be lurking here occasionally for cute bump and baby pics

[Deleted]

Hello - I just wanted to pop in! Look, I really hope there's no hard feelings. I totally get that since like 1/3-1/2 of the board is pregnant at the moment, its fun and exciting to go through all this together, I think the rest of us were just feeling run out from all the nitty-gritty question @ posts.

That said, DEFINITELY share more cool shit like Ashley feeling first baby kicks and pictures on the main board!!

And *waves* I PPH you all!

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 11:34:00 GMT -5 @ksta said:

That said, DEFINITELY share more cool shit like Ashley feeling first baby kicks and pictures on the main board!!

this is probably my biggest issue--saying that we're "allowed" to post things that are exciting for *everyone* are the only things that are "allowed" on the other board...but the rest of our nitty gritty does not matter to you (the rest of the board) so it belongs on another board. i don't know why our board has become a "safe place" for infertiles/non-baby-ers....the natural progression of the board went to babies. why should people have always posted regularly, about their daily lives, move? if there are a lot of posts, maybe *they* should find somewhere else? that's what most of the topics the "seattle board" was discussing....instead of saying a separate baby board, and kick out the bulk of the board...why couldn't it be a seattle-non-baby-sub board? there's plenty of nitty gritty about your ("your" in general, everyone) lives that i really do not care about. but i just skip over it. i don't understand why you can't just skip over posts that don't pertain to you. and if the board has "too many" posts to skip over, then start some other topic, or find another board that pertains to you.

[fiddles]

Mar 22, 2013 16:27:19 GMT -5 jennlin said:

Mar 22, 2013 11:34:00 GMT -5 @ksta said:

That said, DEFINITELY share more cool shit like Ashley feeling first baby kicks and pictures on the main board!!

this is probably my biggest issue--saying that we're "allowed" to post things that are exciting for *everyone* are the only things that are "allowed" on the other board...but the rest of our nitty gritty does not matter to you (the rest of the board) so it belongs on another board. i don't know why our board has become a "safe place" for infertiles/non-baby-ers....the natural progression of the board went to babies. why should people have always posted regularly, about their daily lives, move? if there are a lot of posts, maybe *they* should find somewhere else? that's what most of the topics the "seattle board" was discussing....instead of saying a separate baby board, and kick out the bulk of the board...why couldn't it be a seattle-non-baby-sub board? there's plenty of nitty gritty about your ("your" in general, everyone) lives that i really do not care about. but i just skip over it. i don't understand why you can't just skip over posts that don't pertain to you. and if the board has "too many" posts to skip over, then start some other topic, or find another board that pertains to you.

This really bugs me and kind of makes me sad.  I don't understand why this is such a sore subject.  Maybe because I don't see it as an us against them type of thing.  I would hope that people would post wherever they are comfortable.  A sub board doesn't mean that you aren't one of "us" or that you're being "pushed" aside.  It's simply just trying to make others comfortable and get the board back to being the fun, busy place that it used to be. 

Shit if it makes it better that the main board is for @ posts and the sub board is for non @ posts, make it that way.  

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 17:46:52 GMT -5 fiddles said:

Mar 22, 2013 16:27:19 GMT -5 jennlin said:

this is probably my biggest issue--saying that we're "allowed" to post things that are exciting for *everyone* are the only things that are "allowed" on the other board...but the rest of our nitty gritty does not matter to you (the rest of the board) so it belongs on another board. i don't know why our board has become a "safe place" for infertiles/non-baby-ers....the natural progression of the board went to babies. why should people have always posted regularly, about their daily lives, move? if there are a lot of posts, maybe *they* should find somewhere else? that's what most of the topics the "seattle board" was discussing....instead of saying a separate baby board, and kick out the bulk of the board...why couldn't it be a seattle-non-baby-sub board? there's plenty of nitty gritty about your ("your" in general, everyone) lives that i really do not care about. but i just skip over it. i don't understand why you can't just skip over posts that don't pertain to you. and if the board has "too many" posts to skip over, then start some other topic, or find another board that pertains to you.

This really bugs me and kind of makes me sad.  I don't understand why this is such a sore subject.  Maybe because I don't see it as an us against them type of thing.  I would hope that people would post wherever they are comfortable.  A sub board doesn't mean that you aren't one of "us" or that you're being "pushed" aside.  It's simply just trying to make others comfortable and get the board back to being the fun, busy place that it used to be. 

Shit if it makes it better that the main board is for @ posts and the sub board is for non @ posts, make it that way.  

i see it exactly as an "us versus them" thing. people were tired of the mom/baby posts, so let's just push them away so they don't bother me anymore. nevermind where we were originally posting and feeling comfortable posting....oh, but be sure you come back from time to time to check in, because i only care about some of your life, definitely not all of it. but i'm not going to go to your new indian reservation to check on you, that's foreign territory. you should come back to me because i'm not going there because it's scary. and while you're at it, weed through the posts you don't care about and don't pertain to you..because you have time for that. i don't have time to weed through your baby posts.

[ashleyp728]

Jennlin, I really agree with everything you've said. I'd speak up more but I don't feel I have the right since I'm a newer poster, but you have my agreement!

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 18:02:42 GMT -5 ashleyp728 said:

Jennlin, I really agree with everything you've said. I'd speak up more but I don't feel I have the right since I'm a newer poster, but you have my agreement!

:y:

thanks..i've never been the type to sit back and let something happen to me...i always voice what it. even if you're new, you absolutely have a right to an opinion and to speak up. especially since you *have* been posting. if you had a post count of under 5, then your opinion is void

[ashleyp728]

I feel sort of like its just a big tug-o-war now. I guess what irritated me the worst was a post about having a list of what was ok to post on the main board, and very thing else goes here. I hate the idea of censoring my GM posts or any post for that matter. I don't want to consult a list to see if my thought/news/question is acceptable there.

[jamer]

Mar 22, 2013 18:06:04 GMT -5 jennlin said:

Mar 22, 2013 18:02:42 GMT -5 ashleyp728 said:

Jennlin, I really agree with everything you've said. I'd speak up more but I don't feel I have the right since I'm a newer poster, but you have my agreement!

thanks..i've never been the type to sit back and let something happen to me...i always voice what it. even if you're new, you absolutely have a right to an opinion and to speak up. especially since you *have* been posting. if you had a post count of under 5, then your opinion is void

Agree with all! Like you AshleyP I'm new so didn't want to speak up. I've had a miscarriage and get that is hard and everything seems baby when you can't have a baby but I feel like that's the way anything that isn't going right, it seems to be everywhere and notice things even more.

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 18:23:24 GMT -5 ashleyp728 said:

I feel sort of like its just a big tug-o-war now. I guess what irritated me the worst was a post about having a list of what was ok to post on the main board, and very thing else goes here. I hate the idea of censoring my GM posts or any post for that matter. I don't want to consult a list to see if my thought/news/question is acceptable there.

Yes, exactly! Instead, I'm just going to not-censor myself here, and talk about non-baby related stuff here as well. Hope that doesn't offend the moms if I talk about non-baby stuff!

[jennlin]

I also think post-count should've been taken into consideration in the voting-- a few of us who really disagree with this board are some of the most frequent posters.

[Deleted]

Then I agree with fiddles full-on +1 - fine, make us an @free Seattle SUB-board. It wasn't meant to be an us versus them thing and I'm sorry you took it that way. And jennlin, you just kind of did the opposite saying that the full on ers are the "bulk" of the board (which I don't think is true), claiming "we" kicked you out and then that "we're" the ones who should leave.

This is making me sad. Not trying to pull a GBCSN, but perhaps we should just return to driving away the 1/3 of the board who wanted to be able to come and visit this community WITHOUT having to see nothing but @posts dominating the board.

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 18:56:39 GMT -5 @ksta said:

Then I agree with fiddles full-on +1 - fine, make us an @free Seattle SUB-board. It wasn't meant to be an us versus them thing and I'm sorry you took it that way. And jennlin, you just kind of did the opposite saying that the full on ers are the "bulk" of the board (which I don't think is true), claiming "we" kicked you out and then that "we're" the ones who should leave.

This is making me sad. Not trying to pull a GBCSN, but perhaps we should just return to driving away the 1/3 of the board who wanted to be able to come and visit this community WITHOUT having to see nothing but @posts dominating the board.

Im not truly saying we should create a non baby sub board-- im saying that if people are unhappy, they can leave. it shouldnt be the responsibility of the prople who are currently posting and calling this place home to make others comfortable. The bulk (or at least a lot) of the posts were baby-related- which is why people were getting upset-- but why can't these people just create *other* topics? Because they're also relying on us baby-era to make posts. But we can't post something that doesn't pertain to you-so we need to bring our baby posts elsewhere... But come back for things that do pertain.

What frustrates me the most is that I scroll past stuff I don't care about e.v.e.r.y. Day. Why can't people just scroll past baby stuff? I don't work out, I am too cheap for fancy cupcakes, and fancy wine, I suck at shopping and outfits, I don't even eat the same foods on the wfd posts.. Add all the stuff I don't care about together, that's half the board--and I just scroll past. I'm not here to police people on what they're allowed and not allowed to post.

[Deleted]

Well, all I can say is that this is a trial sub-board? We should set a 1 week trial and then revote if there isn't too much animosity built up by that point to be irreparable? I wish you would post the wfd...I like seeing the different things people eat and you eat much more fascinating, if not something I can dup/eat, things it seems like

[fiddles]

Mar 22, 2013 19:08:16 GMT -5 jennlin said:

Mar 22, 2013 18:56:39 GMT -5 @ksta said:

Then I agree with fiddles full-on +1 - fine, make us an @free Seattle SUB-board. It wasn't meant to be an us versus them thing and I'm sorry you took it that way. And jennlin, you just kind of did the opposite saying that the full on ers are the "bulk" of the board (which I don't think is true), claiming "we" kicked you out and then that "we're" the ones who should leave.

This is making me sad. Not trying to pull a GBCSN, but perhaps we should just return to driving away the 1/3 of the board who wanted to be able to come and visit this community WITHOUT having to see nothing but @posts dominating the board.

Im not truly saying we should create a non baby sub board-- im saying that if people are unhappy, they can leave. it shouldnt be the responsibility of the prople who are currently posting and calling this place home to make others comfortable. The bulk (or at least a lot) of the posts were baby-related- which is why people were getting upset-- but why can't these people just create *other* topics? Because they're also relying on us baby-era to make posts. But we can't post something that doesn't pertain to you-so we need to bring our baby posts elsewhere... But come back for things that do pertain.

What frustrates me the most is that I scroll past stuff I don't care about e.v.e.r.y. Day. Why can't people just scroll past baby stuff? I don't work out, I am too cheap for fancy cupcakes, and fancy wine, I suck at shopping and outfits, I don't even eat the same foods on the wfd posts.. Add all the stuff I don't care about together, that's half the board--and I just scroll past. I'm not here to police people on what they're allowed and not allowed to post.

People ARE creating non @ topics.  The problem is, if you "drive" away those that are uncomfortable with the @ topics they won't respond to the new non-@ topics. (confusing sentence, I know but I'm sure you get my drift)

I'm going to be honest and say it really saddens me that you feel people should just go other places.  No one who thought a sub board idea wanted to get rid of people.  In fact, numerous times people said that they liked the mix of community we have here.  With your way of thinking, the seattle board is going to become a board for only those that are pregnant.  

[ashleyp728]

Mar 22, 2013 18:53:05 GMT -5 jennlin said:

Mar 22, 2013 18:23:24 GMT -5 ashleyp728 said:

I feel sort of like its just a big tug-o-war now. I guess what irritated me the worst was a post about having a list of what was ok to post on the main board, and very thing else goes here. I hate the idea of censoring my GM posts or any post for that matter. I don't want to consult a list to see if my thought/news/question is acceptable there.

Yes, exactly! Instead, I'm just going to not-censor myself here, and talk about non-baby related stuff here as well. Hope that doesn't offend the moms if I talk about non-baby stuff!

I don't think that would bug anyone. I am checking both boards still, but I do find myself scrolling a lot over there so I may eventually do the same and post exclusively here. It's just most relevant to me right now to stay over here.

[Kahala]

I like the idea of a week trial with this sub board.

[jennlin]

Mar 22, 2013 19:36:45 GMT -5 fiddles said:

People ARE creating non @ topics.  The problem is, if you "drive" away those that are uncomfortable with the @ topics they won't respond to the new non-@ topics. (confusing sentence, I know but I'm sure you get my drift)

I'm going to be honest and say it really saddens me that you feel people should just go other places.  No one who thought a sub board idea wanted to get rid of people.  In fact, numerous times people said that they liked the mix of community we have here.  With your way of thinking, the seattle board is going to become a board for only those that are pregnant.  

how are we driving people away? nobody on our boards have ever intentionally told anyone they couldn't post there...until a few days ago, when moms were told they couldn't post what they wanted anymore. the people who contribute most to the board happen to be moms...if you wanted the board to be more non-mom centric, it would be up to the non-moms to *not* "drive" people away. we've never once said "hey, you can only post if it's a baby-topic"....but the opposite is being said "hey, you can only post if it's a non-baby-topic". that is what bugs me....if it saddens you that i'm saying people should post other places....ever thought how the moms feel when we were just told to post other places? how is that different?

[Deleted]

I didn't think that it was asking the moms to completely post elsewhere and I know you think that it's exactly what it was meant as. I don't have a kid and I have no issue easily seeing the type of post that was overrunning the board and hiding all the other non@ posts and the @kind of posts that weren't the problem. The problem was the multiple threads a day on the intricacies of cloth diapering, choosing a doppler, choosing a stroller, etc. Not "ugh I had a horrid night as baby wouldn't sleep!" or "I felt first kick!". For me, it was the larger quantity influx of baby product posts and I was having a hard time finding anything else to talk on and I *DID* start multiple threads of my own in an effort to steer other conversations.

I know your feelings are hurt but I do feel like you're blowing it way out of proportion and I'm a bit smad that you're now choosing to exclusively post on the parenting board.

[jennlin]

Mar 23, 2013 14:13:51 GMT -5 @ksta said:

I know your feelings are hurt but I do feel like you're blowing it way out of proportion and I'm a bit smad that you're now choosing to exclusively post on the parenting board.

Easier than posting with restrictions. I want to be able to post about what I want, when I want- just like non moms are allowed to do. Andplusalso, my phone doesn't let me easily jump around between the two, so that pretty much solidifies it.

[Deleted]

Mar 23, 2013 14:24:03 GMT -5 jennlin said:

Mar 23, 2013 14:13:51 GMT -5 @ksta said:

I know your feelings are hurt but I do feel like you're blowing it way out of proportion and I'm a bit smad that you're now choosing to exclusively post on the parenting board.

Easier than posting with restrictions. I want to be able to post about what I want, when I want- just like non moms are allowed to do. Andplusalso, my phone doesn't let me easily jump around between the two, so that pretty much solidifies it.

I agree with @ksta. jennlin, you are being ridiculous and insensitive. Can you seriously not understand how someone who is dealing with infertility would feel if all they saw on a board were posts pertaining to pregnancy? I don't struggle with fertility issues but emotional ones and it hurts emotionally to see so many pregnancy posts because I want that but can't get past personal road blocks. I don't want to leave the board because I like talking to people here but there were times I couldn't think of another topic to post and all there was to post in were @ threads.

I've even stopped posting some things about E and his struggles and my emotional struggles because I have felt like no one even pays attention to them most of the time.

[Deleted]

Andplusalso, you're just being lazy about changing between the two because you are mad. It's not THAT hard.

[catbus]

Whoa... I came in here to see why an innocuous post had so many replies, and just read through everything. I actually like that there's a sub-board. MM is the same way, and it's no problem at all to read/post both on the regular board and the moms board. There really is no reason to clog up the main board with a ton of posts asking about cribs, car seats, strollers, etc., and hashing out every pregnancy symptom, which is what was happening lately. I have been reading this board fairly regularly for a while, and I definitely noticed a steep increase in baby/pregnancy posts in the last two months or so. It was getting a little crazy.

I don't find it offensive at all! It's a great way to ensure everyone can post whatever they want without worrying whether there were already too many "@" posts that day, and whether that post will be the one to break the camel's back.