"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
Post by secretlyevil on Jun 28, 2012 9:51:34 GMT -5
And since the blog hasn't been quoted in the last two minutes:
Lyle: Essentially, a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax. The third argument won.
And this is on a state by state basis, not an individual basis?
I'm sorry if I am seeming really stupid.
Definitely yes to the first part, not sure about the 2nd- although I do think it is meant to be an individual basis.
"as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." "
There is no higher court than the Supreme Court, therefore no there is no appellate court to go to.
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Indeed.
However, because we have a system of checks and balances, you aren't entirely without recourse, at least in theory. For example, if your case hinged on a particular interpretation of federal law, and the Supreme Court interpreted the law in such a way that it caused you to lose the case, you can lobby Congress to change the law (good luck).
If you were asserting a constitutional right, and the court found that your constitutional rights had not been violated by a particular government action, you can try to lobby Congress, and the legislatures of at least 3/4 of the states to amend the constitution (fat chance).
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There is NO appeal from a decision of the US Supreme Court, their word is the final word on the interpretation and meaning of the law.
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While all of the above answers are correct, Supreme Court rules allow 25 days after the opinion is released during which either party may request a rehearing (from the Supreme Court) on the decision. Rehearings are seldom granted without a compelling reason.
How much tax liability would someone have if they cant afford insurance?
It depends on your income, I think.
That's what I was thinking but you have opinions saying that its punishing the people that cant even afford insurance but really those people would likely have no liability. Its targeting those who can afford to have insurance and choose not to.
Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.
This doesnt look good: Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.
Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.
Why? This isn't a sarcastic question either, just want to understand better.
Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.
Is it because people don't want to "raise taxes." Meaning any more social reform is going to be exceedingly hard to pass?
I have all the books I could need, and what more could I need than books? I shall only engage in commerce if books are the coin. -- Catherynne M. Valente
WTF. I get disagreeing with it, but you are sad we are going to "force" people to have healthcare?! Ugh. No one is forcing lead into your kid's formula, crazy lady.
Do people really think healthcare is such a horrible thing to have? Or do you think that they are taking away your freedom to choose to live on the edge and we're just one step away from the USSR?
"I'm a die hard conservative. I don't have the time or energy to explain all of my opinions here, but it's a huge part of who I am.
I'm not usually so emotional, but I looked at DS and DD and felt so sad about the country they will grow up in. I feel like this opens the door to limitless power. What else will the government mandate that we do under the disguise of calling it a "tax"?"
"I'm a die hard conservative. I don't have the time or energy to explain all of my opinions here, but it's a huge part of who I am.
I'm not usually so emotional, but I looked at DS and DD and felt so sad about the country they will grow up in. I feel like this opens the door to limitless power. What else will the government mandate that we do under the disguise of calling it a "tax"?"
This doesnt look good: Lyle: The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.
WTF. I get disagreeing with it, but you are sad we are going to "force" people to have healthcare?! Ugh. No one is forcing lead into your kid's formula, crazy lady.
Do people really think healthcare is such a horrible thing to have? Or do you think that they are taking away your freedom to choose to live on the edge and we're just one step away from the USSR?
"I'm a die hard conservative. I don't have the time or energy to explain all of my opinions here, but it's a huge part of who I am.
I'm not usually so emotional, but I looked at DS and DD and felt so sad about the country they will grow up in. I feel like this opens the door to limitless power. What else will the government mandate that we do under the disguise of calling it a "tax"?"
Yeahhhhhhhhhh.... come time for your preshus baybees to go off into the REAL WORLD and get a job and she/he cannot find fulfilling and INSURED quality employment, you'll be thanking Obamacare for having the OPTION to keep your child covered until 26. ^o)
Post by secretlyevil on Jun 28, 2012 10:08:46 GMT -5
Huh?
Tom: Here is the money quote on the fifth vote to hold that the mandate is not justified under the Commerce Clause (recognizing that doesn't matter because there were five votes under the Tax Power): "The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated." That will not affect a lot of statutes going forward.
Oh yes, we're definitely cranky that people will all have health insurance because that totally guarantees that healthcare will be affordable for all.
Yeahno but continue to believe conservatives just hate the poor. It's more fun that way. It's decidedly more fun than accepting that medical care will continue to be ridiculously expensive for many people.
Oh yes, we're definately cranky that people will all have health insurance because that totally guarantees that healthcare will be affordable for all.
Yeahno but continue to believe conservatives just hate the poor. It's more fun that way. It's decidedly more fun than accepting that medical care will continue to be ridiculously expensive for many people.