Update on page 14 - Another Malaysia Airlines 777 crashed???

[pixy0stix]

Jul 17, 2014 10:54:52 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Also, a Ukrainian military plane was shot down. Connected?

At the same time? Or at different times today.

I should probably just go look at the news.

[aussiecrush]

At least two Ukrainian military planes have been shot down recently. Russian says those planes were shot down by separatists and not Moscow. No comment from Moscow on today yet.

[racegrrl714]

Jul 17, 2014 10:49:05 GMT -5 @choco said:

Jul 17, 2014 10:44:55 GMT -5 @hayworth said:

Ok- when I saw this headline I thought they were talking about 570.

Me too This is freaking terrifying that they shot down a commercial jet filled with 295 people.

Also, my tin foil hat is coming back on since what are the chances that another Malaysian Airlines plane finds tragedy in the same year?

For real. There's got to be some kind of connecting factor here. Got to be.

[Cicero]

The KLM AMS-KLIA flight? KLM and Malaysian Airlines code share that route. It's entirely possible it has a MA flight number but is on a KLM plane.

[tres3]

I'm really worried.

[annieblah]

Jul 17, 2014 10:50:27 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Well, shooting down a commercial airliner is a pretty huge act of aggression. Factor in Russia, and... buh bye world as we know it.

I am really thinking hijack which would mitigate this, I believe.

[NewOrleans]

Jul 17, 2014 10:55:36 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jul 17, 2014 10:54:52 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Also, a Ukrainian military plane was shot down. Connected?

At the same time? Or at different times today.

I should probably just go look at the news.

Few days ago.  In the direction of russia, but i wouldn't say at the border with Russia.

[karinothing]

It was listed as a shoot down incident on wiki but it is already gone. That seemed a little presumptious.

While I think shooting down a commercial airline is horrible. It has happened a number of times in our history (both by Russia and the Ukraine, neither of which started a war).

[annieblah]

Malaysia said it lost contact with the plane. The f is wrong with that airline? (obviously, it could just be because it was shot down, but seriously).

[NewOrleans]

Jul 17, 2014 10:56:40 GMT -5 aussiecrush said:

At least two Ukrainian military planes have been shot down recently. Russian says those planes were shot down by separatists and not Moscow. No comment from Moscow on today yet.

Ukrainian Department of Defense (or whatever) says it was a Russian military plane.

[annieblah]

Just down, not confirmed it was shot down (per CNN just now).

[pugz]

Wtfwtf

[Velar Fricative]

I will be PISSED if all these legit news outlets began reporting that it was shot down this fast and yet it turns out untrue. I mean, I don't WANT that to be true and I don't want the plane crashing to be true either, but part of me believes that this wouldn't be reported by everyone if it was really that outlandish.

I seem to have short memories about botched news reports though...

[niemand88f]

Announced on an officials facebook page WTF :?  So.... I want a more real confirmation than some random's facebook page.

Official: Malaysian plane shot down over Ukraine
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) -- A Ukrainian official said a passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over a town in the east of the country, and Malaysian Airlines tweeted that it lost contact with one of its flights over Ukrainian airspace.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 meters (72,000 feet).

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed that it "has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow."

The region has seen severe fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatist rebels in recent days.

On Wednesday evening, a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Russian plane, Ukrainian authorities said Thursday, adding to what Kiev says is mounting evidence that Moscow is directly supporting the separatist insurgents in eastern Ukraine. Security Council spokesman Andrei Lysenko said the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet hit by the air-to-air missile was forced to bail after his jet was shot down.

Pro-Russia rebels, meanwhile, claimed responsibility for strikes Wednesday on two Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 jets. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said the second jet was hit by a portable surface-to-air missile, but added the pilot was unscathed and managed to land his plane safely

Moscow denies Western charges that is supporting the separatists or sowing unrest in its neighbor. The Russian Defense Ministry couldn't be reached for comment Thursday about the Ukrainian jet and Russia's foreign ministry didn't respond to multiple requests for comment.

Earlier this week, Ukraine said a military transport plane was shot down Monday by a missile fired from Russian territory.

The rebels are known to possess portable anti-aircraft rocket launchers, but Ukrainian officials say that kind of weapon would have been unable to reach Monday's plane at the altitude at which it was flying Monday. Aviation experts, however, have questioned whether the stricken transport plane was flying at the altitude Ukrainian officials had claimed.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 17, 2014 11:04:53 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I will be PISSED if all these legit news outlets began reporting that it was shot down this fast and yet it turns out untrue. I mean, I don't WANT that to be true and I don't want the plane crashing to be true either, but part of me believes that this wouldn't be reported by everyone if it was really that outlandish.

I seem to have short memories about botched news reports though...

24 hour news cycle is a bitch. The last couple of times a big story has been reported roughly a quarter of each story was redacted.

[ajj]

Yahoo! news is saying Ukraine government is saying it was a buk missile fired by separatists.

[Cicero]

I am feeling sick to my stomach right now.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2014 10:59:08 GMT -5 annieblah said:

Jul 17, 2014 10:50:27 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Well, shooting down a commercial airliner is a pretty huge act of aggression. Factor in Russia, and... buh bye world as we know it.

I am really thinking hijack which would mitigate this, I believe.

I would hope so.

[FloFTW]

Between this and Gaza, I'm feeling very vom-ish right now.

[cattledogkisses]

Jul 17, 2014 11:06:29 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jul 17, 2014 11:04:53 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I will be PISSED if all these legit news outlets began reporting that it was shot down this fast and yet it turns out untrue. I mean, I don't WANT that to be true and I don't want the plane crashing to be true either, but part of me believes that this wouldn't be reported by everyone if it was really that outlandish.

I seem to have short memories about botched news reports though...

24 hour news cycle is a bitch. The last couple of times a big story has been reported roughly a quarter of each story was redacted.

Yeah. This is why I'm waiting for confirmation that what's being reported is actually accurate before I start building my underground bunker. 

[aussiecrush]

Jul 17, 2014 11:02:55 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jul 17, 2014 10:56:40 GMT -5 aussiecrush said:

At least two Ukrainian military planes have been shot down recently. Russian says those planes were shot down by separatists and not Moscow. No comment from Moscow on today yet.

Ukrainian Department of Defense (or whatever) says it was a Russian military plane.

Not impossible for separatists to have a Russian military plane but I'm just going with what NBC in Moscow is saying. I wouldn't be surprised if it was actual Russian military.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2014 10:58:22 GMT -5 Cicero said:

The KLM AMS-KLIA flight? KLM and Malaysian Airlines code share that route. It's entirely possible it has a MA flight number but is on a KLM plane.

It is probably this flight, right?

info.flightmapper.net/flight/KLM_KL_4103

Operated by Malaysian

[IIOY]

Jul 17, 2014 11:06:51 GMT -5 ajj said:

Yahoo! news is saying Ukraine government is saying it was a buk missile fired by separatists.

If this turns out to be true, the separatists have probably just ended their campaign.

[mbcdefg]

Al Jazeera America ‏@ajam

"We didn't do it," Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters at U.N. headquarters alj.am/1qigeEL

[wanderlustfoodie]

Jul 17, 2014 11:02:24 GMT -5 annieblah said:

Malaysia said it lost contact with the plane. The f is wrong with that airline? (obviously, it could just be because it was shot down, but seriously).

I've flown Malaysia Airlines a few times without incident. I don't know that these two incidents means that there's something inherently wrong with the airline. This is a major flight route and the 777 is one of the safest planes. Both crashes are incredibly tragic for the lives lost and their families as well as for the larger implications, especially if this one was actually shot down.

[Deleted]

What the odds of an airline like Malaysian having two incidents of this magnitude so close together.

My tinfoil hat is pinging like a mofo.

[heyjude]

Jul 17, 2014 11:11:02 GMT -5 wanderlustfoodie said:

Jul 17, 2014 11:02:24 GMT -5 annieblah said:

Malaysia said it lost contact with the plane. The f is wrong with that airline? (obviously, it could just be because it was shot down, but seriously).

I've flown Malaysia Airlines a few times without incident. I don't know that these two incidents means that there's something inherently wrong with the airline. This is a major flight route and the 777 is one of the safest planes. Both crashes are incredibly tragic for the lives lost and their families as well as for the larger implications, especially if this one was actually shot down.

Regardless I bet Malaysian Airlines is over. At least in name. JMO.

[IIOY]

Jul 17, 2014 11:10:29 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Al Jazeera America ‏@ajam

"We didn't do it," Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters at U.N. headquarters alj.am/1qigeEL

Russia will deny this to the end, regardless.

[rugbywife]

Russia will say Ukraine did it. Ukraine will say Russia did it. This is a given, no?

[josieposy]

The poor PR people at Malaysia Airlines have to be heavy drinkers by now.

This is seriously tragic. Those poor passengers and crew.