I am cry-laughing picturing a baby in one of those hiking contraptions on sillygoosegirl's back, shitting and peeing everywhere. HOW CONVIENIENT! A waterfall ahead so I can clean this shit off me and the baby! No wallowing in feces for this family!
Um, yeah, so what? Are you about to tell me that all your parenting choices are 100% selfless? If it's not harmful to the baby to do without diapers, why on Earth shouldn't we do without them if it's better for DH and me? Last I checked, becoming a parent didn't actually require you to become a martyr.
Your whole tirade here started with how this is about what's best for the baby. When in reality you don't want to have to soil your life with diapers. This is about what's best for you. That's fine. Just don't give me a line of (EBF baby) shit about poor babies wallowing in their own filth! That's where you go off the rails. EC. Don't EC. I don't care. Just don't be smug about it.
Wait, diapers sound unpleasant, but the idea of spending a good 20% of your day for the first....what, year and a half, of your kid's life worrying about their shit and piss sounds like the better alternative?
A diaper change takes 30 seconds. My kid has had diaper rash all of once. But hey, if you want to turn something totally mundane into a big deal, have at it.
I hate to be "that parent," but if diapers are too much for you...I hate to break it to you, but it's like the easiest part of having a baby.
I wouldn't be comfortable letting anyone under 14 sit by themselves, and even that is a big maybe.
This is outright fucking insane.
::steps on soapbox::
This is my own personal feeling, but I think there is a direct correlation between this level of helicopter parenting and the behavior of teens who feel compelled to share every thought on social media, sext, and post on GoneWild. It's like they're so used to having every action scrutinized that they see no value in keeping anything to themselves. If their parents are constantly validating or invalidating their every move, why wouldn't they seek that from peers too? It's like they have no inner life.
Um, yeah, so what? Are you about to tell me that all your parenting choices are 100% selfless? If it's not harmful to the baby to do without diapers, why on Earth shouldn't we do without them if it's better for DH and me? Last I checked, becoming a parent didn't actually require you to become a martyr.
Your whole tirade here started with how this is about what's best for the baby. When in reality you don't want to have to soil your life with diapers. This is about what's best for you. That's fine. Just don't give me a line of (EBF baby) shit about poor babies wallowing in their own filth! That's where you go off the rails. EC. Don't EC. I don't care. Just don't be smug about it.
No, I indicated a couple reasons I think it isn't particularly beneficial to the baby to be diapered. I don't think it's smug for that to be a part--and frankly far more important part--of my decision. I think it's normal. I'm sure you don't do what's best for yourself without regard for what is good/bad/indifferent for your child(ren), if you have them. I hope someday it can go without saying that parental preference is and should be a big part of parenting decisions, but being not harmful to the child is also critical. If that's smug, I hope all parents are smug.
We all know that babies don't suffer long term harm from what I mentioned, except perhaps in the most extreme cases. After all, most of us were diapered, probably had at least some diaper rash, probably weren't changed quickly all the time, and turned out just fine anyway. I'm glad you are all such great parents that you are so offended by my implied suggestion that you could have saved your child some temporary discomfort with a different approach. I sincerely hope that when I'm an experienced parent, my parenting has otherwise been so rock solid that someone can get my panties in a twist over something so minor that I might possibly have avoided.
I was naming a couple well-known and relatively common aspects of diapering that I think are not beneficial. I'm sorry you missed the post I was responding to, where that poster pointed out that many people seem to think you'll harm a child but not diapering them, even though diapering actually does have side effects and no one has been able to articulate clearly to me what harm is caused to a child by not diapering for 2+ years. You're the one leaping to "neglectful assholes."
Oh, and trust me, I'm judging YOU (and a few other people) a lot. I thought my first sentence made that abundantly clear, but I don't mind spelling it out if it makes you feel better.
Who, exactly, said this?
Honestly, I give zero shits (lolz) whether you diaper or not. I'm just kind of intrigued that you switch your reasoning from "it's gross for a baby to sit in its own shit" to "it's more convenient for me, but I'm not judging, but maybe now I am". It's kind of hard to keep up.
I think she's talking about me. But that is not what I said. Lol. I was talking about pting at 2 not ec.
I'm homer walking backwards through the bushes on this one.
I read a blog post a while ago about the whole chinese-babies-in-crotchless-pants so I immediately emailed a good friend of mine who lives there because I was like, "really? they just pee everywhere?" apparently there is lots of spitting as well, and some sort of ruckus that cracked me up bc I cant decide if its a chinese thing or a runner thing where they didnt want people peeing/pooping on the course of the Bejing Marathon.
Post by Velar Fricative on Aug 14, 2014 6:20:25 GMT -5
I remember going in for my first day of work in Chinatown and noticing all the NO SPITTING signs. Then I quickly learned why they were up. Our custodian was always so livid about it even after we were successful in getting visitors to spit in the trash cans (he also thought it was gross to spit in a trash can, but hey, better than on the floors, chairs, etc.).
To which everyone replies "cool story, bro" as we are all WTF about the EC backpedaling in this thread.
Diapering children is the easiest part of parenting, hands down. Do not pass go.
Also last night I noticed my 2+ old had a bit of a red butt. I had to go search through baby gifts I had never opened to find diaper cream, which means I have either never used it with this kid or I have used it so infrequently that my diaper cream has gone lost and I have no memory of it.
Post by rupertpenny on Aug 14, 2014 7:23:29 GMT -5
I completely agree with @littlemoxie. People in China and Vietnam would not do EC if they had access to affordable diapers.
I live in Hong Kong which is culturally very similar to mainland China, but vastly different economically. People use diapers here, because they are affordable. NO ONE is letting their kids shit on the street except tourists from the mainland. And people in Hong Kong freak out about it, and rightly so because it is unsanitary. If you told anyone here that you were willingly going to put your kid in split pants so they didn't have to "sit in their filth" they would laugh in your face.
OMG potty training does not make life more flexible. Man, back when a kid having to pee DIDN'T mean I had to pull over, find a toilet, get both kids out of the car, worry about accidents, etc, my life was SO MUCH EASIER. Having a kid potty trained was the most over-hyped kid milestone ever.
YES. And no one ever tells you this. It's one of those terrible aspects of parenting that people don't talk about.
I am dreading potty training. I just have no interest in it. Diapers are so easy and convenient. Road trip? Diapers! out and about? Diapers! Overnight? Diapers! no need to worry about where a toilet is, when he has to go, nothing. Just....diapers!
Maybe we should do a PSA campaign about how diapers are awesome and potty training is overrated. SAVE THE MOMS PUSHING PT'ING AND COMPETING TO BE THE FIRST!!!!
Not to be all rainy on the paradey but I love that my DD is PTd now!!! I was getting fucking tired of washing and stuffing diapers though!!!! PT4lyfe!!
Post by rupertpenny on Aug 14, 2014 7:50:50 GMT -5
This reminds me, we were buying some super cheap Korean diapers, but B went up a size and that brand only has pull-ups for the new size. WTF? I need normal, side-tab diapers for at least another year if not more, so I'm back to Pampers.
Post by EloiseWeenie on Aug 14, 2014 8:01:38 GMT -5
The common theme amongst my friends that EC their firstborns, is that they diaper their 2nd+. I had one friend, who was so burnt out because she was hovering that baby over something to pee in while speaking parseltongue, or she was nursing that baby for 2 minutes every 10 minutes, FOR 2 YEARS! It is hilarious to think that EC is easier. HILARIOUS.
Maybe we should do a PSA campaign about how diapers are awesome and potty training is overrated. SAVE THE MOMS PUSHING PT'ING AND COMPETING TO BE THE FIRST!!!!
I'm in a local mom group on facebook and they are all SAHM and I swear they are competing to be the first to PT. I get that some 18 month olds are ready, but 50% of a group of 30? One person asks about potties and the responses are all "oh, this potty has great reviews on Amazon" or "so and so bought this one" and the chorus of "Oh, I think little Bravery/Austin/Everrett is also ready to PT."
It comes off as a competition, and/or new activity. I don't get it!
It's totally a competition; I remember it from the parenting board on the nest when Jackson was a toddler. It's so weird.
One main reason I am glad I had boys is road trips. Oh you have to pee little newly trained 3 year old and there isn't a bathroom for another 30 miles? Cool let me pull over on this gravel road and let you spray some weeds. I mean girls can pop a squat, but that is a learned talent.
I also got Jack to pee standing up really early because the way little kids touch EVERYTHING in public bathrooms is . At least with standing up he had less chances to put his hands on EVERYTHING.
The common theme amongst my friends that EC their firstborns, is that they diaper their 2nd+. I had one friend, who was so burnt out because she was hovering that baby over something to pee in while speaking parseltongue, or she was nursing that baby for 2 minutes every 10 minutes, FOR 2 YEARS! It is hilarious to think that EC is easier. HILARIOUS.
Potty training and moving from a crib to a bed are the two parenting milestones I dread and will wait as long as humanely possible on. If my kids would still be in a crib at 5 I would be so happy. Waking up to find those little eyes staring at you in the middle of the night takes years off my life . YEARS.
Potty training and moving from a crib to a bed are the two parenting milestones I dread and will wait as long as humanely possible on. If my kids would still be in a crib at 5 I would be so happy. Waking up to find those little eyes staring at you in the middle of the night takes years off my life . YEARS.
Is this a guarantee? I mean, is a kid who will wake up in their bed and scream or just play happily in their room a unicorn? Or do you have to lock them in? Baby gate the door?
We have a short flight of stairs between our rooms, so I really want to try to prevent this. If I can't, may as well keep the hallway well lit.
it has only happened a few times with DS1, but still traumatized me . DS2 I know will be a complete menace. As in, we may need to strip his room of everything but a mattress on the floor and deadbolt the door. He takes his role as a 2 year old very seriously.
Potty training and moving from a crib to a bed are the two parenting milestones I dread and will wait as long as humanely possible on. If my kids would still be in a crib at 5 I would be so happy. Waking up to find those little eyes staring at you in the middle of the night takes years off my life . YEARS.
Is this a guarantee? I mean, is a kid who will wake up in their bed and scream or just play happily in their room a unicorn? Or do you have to lock them in? Baby gate the door?
We have a short flight of stairs between our rooms, so I really want to try to prevent this. If I can't, may as well keep the hallway well lit.
Not a guarantee. None of mine made it to 18 months in a crib (damn climbers!) and they all knew from day 1 to stay in their room until I got hem (well, DD1 often gets dS but with our permission). They played quietly or read books.