I thought of another: Mormons. I agree that they're crazy, but my view from the atheist side of the fence is that they're no crazier than any other religion. As with any denomination, levels of insanity vary wildly from one ward/community to another--some are ridiculous and cruelly clannish. Others are extremely open and giving toward everyone, whether in the church or not. My experience (which is not insignificant, having grown up in a largely-Mormon community) has been with far more of the latter than the former.
I forget who it was but I have changed my mind about Mormons as well. I will always be salty about them thinking I am/was cursed but I realized I said some very unfair things about them. That and, I really like Salt Lake City.
I'm surprised at some of the topics here that people think there is a clearly defined board majority opinion. Like half your list LD. Like...honestly the death penalty. I never really felt like there was a clear majority? and I've flipflopped on it over the years so I guess I've been on both sides and I didn't feel ganged up on either side. Did the rest of the board flip flop with me??? (from pro to anti)
I agree, I think the DP is a roughly even split, and to the extent there's a pile on, it's just a function of who is participating in the thread on any given day.
Same with sex offender registries, unions, common core, and what seems to be a handful of other issues.
In general, duh, this board leans left on most things. But we all come to our views based on very different life experiences and philosophies. Even when I'm not swimming upstream, my views are being influenced and shaped by other people here. In any education thread, you've got parents of different kids of children (gifted, special needs, etc), teachers at various grade levels in different types of schools, administrators, policy wonks, etc. I absolutely think there's a diversity of perspective here, even though most people agree that say, charter schools are problematic.
Certainly, the diversity could be improved upon enormously, but we don't get all the 10 pages that we do because we are all just a bunch of ditto-heads.
I've always known the cream-filled doughnut in controversy as a Bavarian cream.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE HERE.
but that said - no. the cream filled donut in question is defined by shape. it's oblong rather than round. Bavarian creams can be round. Also the filling in a Bavarian cream is a pastry cream type filling whereas most of the long johns I've seen are more of the fluffy sugary icing type filling. Though I don't think the type of filling precludes something being a filled long john.
Post by Queen Mamadala on Jun 5, 2015 13:36:39 GMT -5
In relation to this board, and topics outside usual politics?
In general: pro certain aspects of "crunchy" parenting (I homebirth, co-sleep, nurse into toddlerhood, used to cloth diaper, but I do vaccinate)
I am very socially liberal, anti-death penalty. I "get" the other position just fine, and virtually all others antithetical to mine, I simply don't share the position. I used to be very pro-life, pro-death penalty, anti-same sex marriage, anti-sex education in public schools, pro-YEC in public schools, and everything the religious right stands for. I was staunchly group think in that context.
I do see a lot of grey area, though not as it relates to social justice and equality.
I've always known the cream-filled doughnut in controversy as a Bavarian cream.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE HERE.
but that said - no. the cream filled donut in question is defined by shape. it's oblong rather than round. Bavarian creams can be round. Also the filling in a Bavarian cream is a pastry cream type filling whereas most of the long johns I've seen are more of the fluffy sugary icing type filling. Though I don't think the type of filling precludes something being a filled long john.
WATCH ME.
Whether round or long, every one I've ever had has had a custard-y pudding-ish filling.
ETA: my dad is a professional baker, so you should trust me on this stuff.
Gun control: I think it needs to be limited, I'm pro second amendment. I also think a lot of what's in place now is either too weak to do what's it's intended too or to crazy to make it feasible. Abortion: I'm pro choice, because I believe making it illegal is unconstitutional, like in the spirit of the constitution. I feel like pro-lifers are trying to push their moral choices on others and that is not what we were intended for. However, having read that people are pro abortion at anytime I would say I'm against that, if the infant has a chance at viability I think it should be given that chance. This is currently my voting hill to die on. I don't morally believe abortion is the right choice, I just feel very strongly that pushing that on other people is unconstitutional. Death penalty- I don't know because the whole system is so fucked up I feel like right now its wrong because there is always to much risk we'll kill an innocent person ,but overall I don't have a philosophical problem with it. That's all I can come up with.
but that said - no. the cream filled donut in question is defined by shape. it's oblong rather than round. Bavarian creams can be round. Also the filling in a Bavarian cream is a pastry cream type filling whereas most of the long johns I've seen are more of the fluffy sugary icing type filling. Though I don't think the type of filling precludes something being a filled long john.
WATCH ME.
Whether round or long, every one I've ever had has had a custard-y pudding-ish filling.
Then you haven't lived. The ones I get have a white fluff filling - like frosting, but better.
I'm surprised at some of the topics here that people think there is a clearly defined board majority opinion. Like half your list LD. Like...honestly the death penalty. I never really felt like there was a clear majority? and I've flipflopped on it over the years so I guess I've been on both sides and I didn't feel ganged up on either side. Did the rest of the board flip flop with me??? (from pro to anti)
2 party system I see plenty of people of the "3rd party votes are a waste of a vote" and "yay third party" ilk.
I thought we were generally pretty anti patriot act as a group?
I am starting to wonder if I just assume people agree with me more often than not...
I'm used to seeing or interpreting posts that are down on third party because nope, never gonna happen, wasted vote. I read the "you're wasting your vote" as "line up and pick one of the two parties."
I'm not entirely against Edward Snowden. I think he's a drama whore, but I'm glad he did what he did.
Ok, and here's where I am anti-groupthink, I guess.
I am all for more parties, but people are totally delusional if they think it will happen without a constitutional amendment. For the billionth time: DUVERGET'S LAW. But nobody ever responds when I bring that up.
There is a reason that basically no democracy that came after the U.S. chose our system. It's terrible and does not foster compromise.
I thought of another: Mormons. I agree that they're crazy, but my view from the atheist side of the fence is that they're no crazier than any other religion. As with any denomination, levels of insanity vary wildly from one ward/community to another--some are ridiculous and cruelly clannish. Others are extremely open and giving toward everyone, whether in the church or not. My experience (which is not insignificant, having grown up in a largely-Mormon community) has been with far more of the latter than the former.
I don't see them differently than I do many conservative evangelicals and mainline Christians. It's another offshoot of the Christian tradition, in the same sense many within the Jewish tradition regard Islam and Christianity to be an offshoot.
I am not anti-union especially since I am a former union steward and am currently on our union's contract negotiating committee
Food/wine/beer
I hate SUVs
I like fast and fancy cars
Spanking
Kids at weddings
Still thinking...
I'm pro-Union and I've been on the company's side of four negotiation teams. It's such a facinating process. Well, you know in concept. There's also a LOT of sitting around doing nothing for hours and hours and hours....
Pro Common Core (although I'm thinking that's more common here) Anti-war I think birth control should be free and readily available to anyone, including minors And I like to eat at Chick Fil A
Post by StrawberryBlondie on Jun 5, 2015 13:51:50 GMT -5
Ooh, another one... I don't generally care that much about what companies donate to or what they generally stand for. I'll go to Walmart if its more convenient. I'll eat at CFA. Etc.
I am not anti-union especially since I am a former union steward and am currently on our union's contract negotiating committee
Food/wine/beer
I hate SUVs
I like fast and fancy cars
Spanking
Kids at weddings
Still thinking...
I'm pro-Union and I've been on the company's side of four negotiation teams. It's such a facinating process. Well, you know in concept. There's also a LOT of sitting around doing nothing for hours and hours and hours....
I was anti-union til I was part of one. Then I was even more pro-union when I was part of a negotiating team. Now I am management and I am STILL pro-union, even though collective agreements can be a PITA, I totally know why they exist.
And yes, negotiating a collective agreement is...an interesting process.