Post by downtoearth on Dec 28, 2015 14:57:22 GMT -5
Can I also add that back in June a "non-binding review of the case" by a Cleveland judge "found probably cause for the charges of murder, involuntary manslaughter, reckless homicide, negligent homicide and dereliction of duty against Loehmann."? www.cnn.com/2015/12/28/us/tamir-rice-shooting/index.html
That alone tells me that it's not just the police that did wrong here. If a judge in the jurisdiction can review the facts and come to that conclusion, then the blood of Tamir's death is also on the prosecutor Tim McGinty and his whole office for not fighting hard enough for the officer to have a day in court to answer to Tamir's death! Just a trial alone is a start, for God's sake!
And that prosecutor is a goddamn coward kicking the decision to a grand jury.
Yes, why is this the protocol? I feel like someone (parents or survivors of one of these cases) needs to get it to a higher court b/c they are NOT getting justice and this grand jury thing is not working in the victims favor or holding anyone even slightly accountable. Legal people, is this happening?
The only case I followed super closely was the Michael Brown one and the obvious corruption in that court was eye opening for me. Don't believe anything ever came of that either. The system is so, so broken
honest toddler just posted a pic of Tamir and for some reason it hit me the hardest even after reading all the articles. He's just a fucking little kid and it's so unfair
And that prosecutor is a goddamn coward kicking the decision to a grand jury.
Yes, why is this the protocol? I feel like someone (parents or survivors of one of these cases) needs to get it to a higher court b/c they are NOT getting justice and this grand jury thing is not working in the victims favor or holding anyone even slightly accountable. Legal people, is this happening?
I don't think it's even possible. You can't appeal a no-bill.
Yes, why is this the protocol? I feel like someone (parents or survivors of one of these cases) needs to get it to a higher court b/c they are NOT getting justice and this grand jury thing is not working in the victims favor or holding anyone even slightly accountable. Legal people, is this happening?
I don't think it's even possible. You can't appeal a no-bill.
Sorry to bug you, but I think you know. It doesn't HAVE to go to grand jury, right? Basically, we just have to wait for a DA to decide to take a case to trial and if they are iffy, it goes to Grand Jury to decide if the DA should try someone, right? Why are police shootings in a different justice system cycle than any other murder?
Message to the nation: Think taking a video of racist violence will help? Think again.
they're modern day lynching photos. Watch what we can do to you and get away with it. I suppose the outrage is appreciated by some, but the videos and footage mainly serve to terrorize the black community. Just a quick scan of Facebook comments will show you how many people are clapping with glee every time another one of us gets dropped like an animal in full view of the world. The pearl clutching every time this happens is infuriating. I have no time for it.
I don't think it's even possible. You can't appeal a no-bill.
Sorry to bug you, but I think you know. It doesn't HAVE to go to grand jury, right? Basically, we just have to wait for a DA to decide to take a case to trial and if they are iffy, it goes to Grand Jury to decide if the DA should try someone, right? Why are police shootings in a different justice system cycle than any other murder?
This might be a better question for someone in Ohio. Where I live, no. Nothing has to go to a grand jury, and I don't remember the last time I heard of one being convened. Other states may have different rules that they have to be convened for certain charges.
ETA: I remember my crim law professor in law school saying that sometimes prosecutors prefer to use grand juries to try to test the waters, if they're iffy on whether to bring charges, or if it's a high profile case.
Message to the nation: Think taking a video of racist violence will help? Think again.
they're modern day lynching photos. Watch what we can do to you and get away with it. I suppose the outrage is appreciated by some, but the videos and footage mainly serve to terrorize the black community. Just a quick scan of Facebook comments will show you how many people are clapping with glee every time another one of us gets dropped like an animal in full view of the world. The pearl clutching every time this happens is infuriating. I have no time for it.
The bolded was the reason for my statement. It's mind-numbing to me that there can be video footage or evidence of racist violence, yet that doesn't warrant enough evidence to progress to an investigation or accountability for what happened. I can only imagine how racist shitbags use these same videos and images to crow over their shitty racist views. I can't stand it and I hate that those people can't be flogged for their views.
they're modern day lynching photos. Watch what we can do to you and get away with it. I suppose the outrage is appreciated by some, but the videos and footage mainly serve to terrorize the black community. Just a quick scan of Facebook comments will show you how many people are clapping with glee every time another one of us gets dropped like an animal in full view of the world. The pearl clutching every time this happens is infuriating. I have no time for it.
The bolded was the reason for my statement. It's mind-numbing to me that there can be video footage or evidence of racist violence, yet that doesn't warrant enough evidence to progress to an investigation or accountability for what happened. I can only imagine how racist shitbags use these same videos and images to crow over their shitty racist views. I can't stand it and I hate that those people can't be flogged for their views.
People are okay with it because they harbor the same biases and fears of black people that the officers did which led to the shooting in the first place. So why would it occur to many for the officers to be wrong?
I'm struggling with what to say because what can anyone possible say that matters here. I guess, in the face of yet another example of how completely fucked up this country is, I will just say that I am still trying. Imperfectly. Awkwardly. I am trying to make this part of the conversation with my friends and my colleagues and my students.
Post by onomatopoeia on Dec 28, 2015 21:09:44 GMT -5
This is awful. Not surprising, but still awful (and even more awful that it's not surprising, if that makes sense). I feel so bad for his family.
I read that the internal investigation was still going on? Does that mean that the officers could be found to have not followed protocol/training, and be dismissed from the force? Not that it's even close to actual charges being filed. I'm just curious as to what happens next, if anything. Or if they'll just be reinstated to full active duty.
Post by NewOrleans on Dec 28, 2015 21:58:02 GMT -5
When 05heel said lynching photos, it made me think of these state-sanctioned killings as modern lynchings, and then I thought of this poem from Audre Lorde called "Afterimages." It's about Emmitt Till. (Graphic imagery used). This is only part of the poem, which is much longer, but it says what I feel.
His broken body is the afterimage of my 21st year when I walked through a northern summer my eyes averted from each corner's photographies newspapers protest posters magazines Police Story, Confidential, True the avid insistence of detail pretending insight or information the length of gash across the dead boy's loins his grieving mother's lamentation the severed lips, how many burns his gouged out eyes sewed shut upon the screaming covers louder than life all over the veiled warning, the secret relish of a black child's mutilated body fingered by street-corner eyes bruise upon livid bruise and wherever I looked that summer I learned to be at home with children's blood with savored violence with pictures of black broken flesh used, crumpled, and discarded lying amid the sidewalk refuse like a raped woman's face.
Just so I understand...everyone is upset about the victims age and the color of his skin? And those two factors are why the officers should be charged?
Just so I understand...everyone is upset about the victims age and the color of his skin? And those two factors are why the officers should be charged?
Just so I understand...everyone is upset about the victims age and the color of his skin? And those two factors are why the officers should be charged?
Just so I understand...everyone is upset about the victims age and the color of his skin? And those two factors are why the officers should be charged?
why the officers should be charged is because they rolled up in their car to 10 feet away from what they believed to be armed citizen in an open carry state and proceeded to shoot said subject multiple times without giving him any chance to drop his weapon or explain himself.
It's particularly tragic and upsetting because he was a child. The color of his skin is just the reason this whole mess went down in the first place.
Just so I understand...are you gonna keep on playing dumb? Or are you going to just come right out and say what you're thinking?