Post by snipsnsnails on Feb 1, 2016 16:37:49 GMT -5
I would be shocked if toledo ever came back to the boards. Obviously, people know her outside of here so may say differently, but I assume she's gone for good.
I would be shocked if toledo ever came back to the boards. Obviously, people know her outside of here so may say differently, but I assume she's gone for good.
Why would she? Apparently the majority of the board, people who have interacted with her for years, think she's a racist. Or suspicious in some other way. Who would willingly subject themselves to that? For the tips on how to style black shoes and what to cook in a crockpot?
I suppose my own absence here since shit started going down has some people wondering if I'm a racist or sending bags of dicks to people. I've had a lot of personal stress in my life that I haven't been handling well and the internet and its accompanying drama was one place I could cut. This board hasn't been a good place for me for a while. If people want to read into that, well, I can't stop them.
Sorry things are stressful, cjoy. I hope they resolve or are on their way.
It truly wasn't a judgment or castigation, more a note of her thoughts on Internet privacy. She's always kept her anonymity pretty close and with things crossing over into our personal lives, it seemed she wouldn't feel comfortable coming back. Her deletions and previous long absence from the board seemed to support that. But it was just an assumption on my part.
I would be shocked if toledo ever came back to the boards. Obviously, people know her outside of here so may say differently, but I assume she's gone for good.
Why would she? Apparently the majority of the board, people who have interacted with her for years, think she's a racist. Or suspicious in some other way. Who would willingly subject themselves to that? For the tips on how to style black shoes and what to cook in a crockpot?
I suppose my own absence here since shit started going down has some people wondering if I'm a racist or sending bags of dicks to people. I've had a lot of personal stress in my life that I haven't been handling well and the internet and its accompanying drama was one place I could cut. This board hasn't been a good place for me for a while. If people want to read into that, well, I can't stop them.
I haven't been on here much, until the past week or so for similar reasons. I'd noticed you hadn't been around much either, nor have some other old regulars. I don't read anything into it, we all ebb and flow in our posting here and yours has been in an ebb for a while.
Why would she? Apparently the majority of the board, people who have interacted with her for years, think she's a racist. Or suspicious in some other way. Who would willingly subject themselves to that? For the tips on how to style black shoes and what to cook in a crockpot?
I suppose my own absence here since shit started going down has some people wondering if I'm a racist or sending bags of dicks to people. I've had a lot of personal stress in my life that I haven't been handling well and the internet and its accompanying drama was one place I could cut. This board hasn't been a good place for me for a while. If people want to read into that, well, I can't stop them.
I don't think Toledo is racist. I assumed, however, she still thinks @kirkette is crazy regardless of her race, and is bothered that she can no longer express that without being called racist.
I'm sorry for your personal stress. You've always been wonderful and I hope you find yourself in a better place soon.
I liked this mainly for the bolded part and also for the good thoughts for you, cjoy.
I would be shocked if toledo ever came back to the boards. Obviously, people know her outside of here so may say differently, but I assume she's gone for good.
Why would she? Apparently the majority of the board, people who have interacted with her for years, think she's a racist. Or suspicious in some other way. Who would willingly subject themselves to that? For the tips on how to style black shoes and what to cook in a crockpot?
I suppose my own absence here since shit started going down has some people wondering if I'm a racist or sending bags of dicks to people. I've had a lot of personal stress in my life that I haven't been handling well and the internet and its accompanying drama was one place I could cut. This board hasn't been a good place for me for a while. If people want to read into that, well, I can't stop them.
Nah, I don't think that's the case at all. People post sporadically at times and that's ok.
There is a big difference when someone has been a mean girl or racially insensitive for years, then all of a sudden radio silence with no apology or acknowledgement of such behavior when shit hits the fan. When previously those persons would've been all over calling someone out or adding to the drama.
That is what people find shady as hell. You don't fall in to that category.
I hope things get better for you at home, and I truly mean that.
Did anyone actually say Toledo was a racist? And don't even try to say me, because I sure as shit did not. I assumed that she was sick of all of *this*, which is a perfectly valid reason for not posting. It's a little funny to suddenly be fed up when all your previous posts indicated an eagerness to weigh in, but hey.
I really just wanted to share my goose story, because it was too stupid to tell in real life. See? This shit doesn't have to make sense.
I'm disappointed that some posters have decided to make themselves scarce. On the other hand I'm not sure that there's much that can be said right now, except for apologies, and even those run the risk of not being well received because anger and suspicion (both rightfully so) still abound.
Post by fuckyourcouch on Feb 1, 2016 18:03:39 GMT -5
I don't think the majority of the board thinks Toledo is a racist. I think the majority find it strange that she was very vocal in the threads that led up to this mess, and has now disappeared, and deleted her contributions to the conversations.
I also think it's a little off to act like she is a victim here.
Did anyone actually say Toledo was a racist? And don't even try to say me, because I sure as shit did not. I assumed that she was sick of all of *this*, which is a perfectly valid reason for not posting. It's a little funny to suddenly be fed up when all your previous posts indicated an eagerness to weigh in, but hey.
I really just wanted to share my goose story, because it was too stupid to tell in real life. See? This shit doesn't have to make sense.
Yeah I was wondering who was calling Toledo racist.
And if one person did say that, I don't think that's been the general sentiment going around. It's just shady.
I hate when the word racist gets thrown around so cavalier.
Did anyone actually say Toledo was a racist? And don't even try to say me, because I sure as shit did not. I assumed that she was sick of all of *this*, which is a perfectly valid reason for not posting. It's a little funny to suddenly be fed up when all your previous posts indicated an eagerness to weigh in, but hey.
I really just wanted to share my goose story, because it was too stupid to tell in real life. See? This shit doesn't have to make sense.
Yeah I was wondering who was calling Toledo racist.
And if one person did say that, I don't think that's been the general sentiment going around. It's just shady.
I hate when the word racist gets thrown around so cavalier.
Right? It took how long for a majority of posters to see that Booby's actions were racist? So how in the world did we get consensus on Toledo herself, without any overt action, being racist in record speed? Oh that's right. It didn't happen, nor would it.
Okay well if not racist, then contributing to a racially threatening environment. I mean that is what I would perceive to be the public opinion if I were toledo. I don't want it to go down that I'm calling toledo a racist. I'm just trying to avoid giving my opinion when I haven't seen a 1/10 of whatever it is I'm talking about, since I've made that mistake before. I avoid CEP. It seems like everyone there is really smart and knowledgeable, and it is intimidating. Of course the only way to feel more confident about the topics is to educate myself, which, ironically, can be done by frequenting CEP. lol
I avoid CEP because it is (1) usually very serious, (2) often chock-full of very long posts, and (3) requires intense thought and consideration for adequate response.
I don't think the majority of the board thinks Toledo is a racist. I think the majority find it strange that she was very vocal in the threads that led up to this mess, and has now disappeared, and deleted her contributions to the conversations.
I also think it's a little off to act like she is a victim here.
I don't think she's a victim but I do find it fucking laughable that people think she should be #breezy about some of the shit that's been implied about her.
I'm not sure what people here want. Defend yourself! How dare you try to defend yourself! Don't say anything! Hmmm... She's not saying anything so she must be guilty. Standard ML ridiculousness.
I get what you're saying. i don't think anyone expects her to be breezy either. I dunno, I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I don't expect that. I don't know what would make people happy, but I think sincere apologies and interactions have been generally well received in the aftermath here. i don't expect anything really, other than for people to hopefully learn from what happened and try to be better about it going forward.
Okay well if not racist, then contributing to a racially threatening environment. I mean that is what I would perceive to be the public opinion if I were toledo. I don't want it to go down that I'm calling toledo a racist. I'm just trying to avoid giving my opinion when I haven't seen a 1/10 of whatever it is I'm talking about, since I've made that mistake before. I avoid CEP. It seems like everyone there is really smart and knowledgeable, and it is intimidating. Of course the only way to feel more confident about the topics is to educate myself, which, ironically, can be done by frequenting CEP. lol
I avoid CEP because it is (1) usually very serious, (2) often chock-full of very long posts, and (3) requires intense thought and consideration for adequate response.
Number 3 is why I usually just read CEP. I've never been good at debating or creating coherent responses. So I usually just keep my mouth shut and listen.
ETA: I didn't mean this to sound like I'm admonishing you to go over there and just read... I'm just saying that that's what I usually do. Lord knows I am in no position to tell you to do anything!
Thought people had called toledo out on deleting, which may imply that she's up to no good. I am pretty sure she schooled me, politely, on open-mindedness and race relations, once. If anyone is aware of what not to say, and they would not say it, because it's unkind or impolite toward POC, she's up there with people like cville, who really understand. jmho (and I am full of them, apparently).
Thought people had called toledo out on deleting, which may imply that she's up to no good. I am pretty sure she schooled me, politely, on open-mindedness and race relations, once. If anyone is aware of what not to say, and they would not say it, because it's unkind or impolite toward POC, she's up there with people like cville, who really understand. jmho (and I am full of them, apparently).
Thought people had called toledo out on deleting, which may imply that she's up to no good. I am pretty sure she schooled me, politely, on open-mindedness and race relations, once. If anyone is aware of what not to say, and they would not say it, because it's unkind or impolite toward POC, she's up there with people like cville, who really understand. jmho (and I am full of them, apparently).
Toledo is my friend. If I were in her shoes, and reading the shit being said here, I can guaran-damn-tee you I wouldn't come back. Maybe no one has flat out said "she is racist" in those exact words, but after hours at work trying to actually work and catch up on all the monster threads across ML, MMM, and CEP, I've read enough to know that it's being implied she is somehow racist or supports racism in some way, which is patently, completely false. And like cjoy said, what the fuck do people want her to do? No matter what she says if she does come back - and who can blame her if she doesn't - I would be willing to bet, just knowing the history of the boards, that any possible thing she could possibly say would get nitpicked, misconstrued, and twisted to villify her or somehow try to confirm that she's somehow evil. It was suggested in squirrely's thread that toledo could have been behind the Etsy comment, which quite literally made me snort. Because, no. The finger-pointing and trying to place blame on the wrong people has gotten out of control. What booby did to Kirkette, and what was done to smo by whatever fucktwat chose to do that, is heinously wrong, there is NO doubting those facts. But I can't sit here and watch my friend get thrown under the bus like this. Again, like cjoy said, what do people expect her to do after reading the posts about her? Would you come back if you read the same things about yourself?
05heel I had a goose attack me a few years ago at work, and I now have a legit fear of them. They congregate in our parking lot and attack us when we enter/leave the building. Shady motherfuckers, indeed.
You all, listen. I'm not discounting the potential for a change in awareness of and sensitivity to racial issues that I hope occurs on here. But like any board implosion, in the aftermath there emerge a series of Nancy Drews/Spanish Inquisition-style Inquisitors from the ranks of regulars, other boards, and random lurkers who infer and imply all sorts of correct and wildly false conclusions from scant evidence. Everyone is potentially going to be incorrectly accused of stuff OR finally and correctly outed as a jackwagon of epic proportion. If you're not an ignorant asshole, just be yourself, post or don't post about whatever as you see fit and in the short, medium, and long run it'll all come out in the wash. If you are an asshole, one day we may find you.