"Why would you ruin perfectly good peanuts by adding candy corn? That's like saying hey, I have these awesome nachos, guess I better add some dryer lint." - Nonny
A post on page...13? of this thread (I think, I'm on the PB app now, so the page numbers are much higher) makes a very strong inference to it. I've reread it several times and don't see how any other meaning could really be taken away from it. Her name (and LHC's, who did try to defend herself, and did not receive a good response) was brought up multiple times in the CEP post.
Like cville said, I know this is how it goes on gbcn, lots of Nancy Drewing and all. I generally stay far away from these kinds of posts (at least as far as posting in them, I do read them) as I am extremely uncomfortable with confrontation. I just couldn't keep reading some pretty negative things being said about a friend across multiple posts. It's not all in this thread, but in others as well.
If my children repeat it, uptight bitches don't judge my parenting as much!
Mine totally called someone a jackhole the other day. Guess me muttering under my breath while driving wasn't quiet enough. The kid has superhero hearing.
I brought up Toledo in one of my posts. I had a very low-key weekend at home and was able to spend a lot of time keeping up with and reading all of the threads. I didn't see anyone bring Toledo up before she deleted a huge chunk of her posts. I thought it was strange for someone usually so vocal and active to abruptly clam up and start a mass deleting when the real shit hit the fan. I don't think that automatically makes her a racist, but it did make me raise my eyebrows. People talk about whether or not she'll come back, but I'm still wondering why she "left" in the first place.
Now I'm a big fat nobody on these boards, and I don't expect cjoy or malibu or toledo herself to justify anything to me. I just wanted to speak up as someone who did name her.
cjoy, I'm sorry you're struggling. I hope everything turns out well for you.
CEP and MMMoms were out for blood this weekend and toledo's name was brought up a lot.
And they're pure and 100% free of all shenangians and prejudice so that means a lot!
I can't speak to MMM, but there were many posts over the past few days on CEP about how we've been just as bad at forgiving/ignoring/perpetuating crappy racist behavior on CEP.
Toledo is my friend. If I were in her shoes, and reading the shit being said here, I can guaran-damn-tee you I wouldn't come back. Maybe no one has flat out said "she is racist" in those exact words, but after hours at work trying to actually work and catch up on all the monster threads across ML, MMM, and CEP, I've read enough to know that it's being implied she is somehow racist or supports racism in some way, which is patently, completely false. And like cjoy said, what the fuck do people want her to do? No matter what she says if she does come back - and who can blame her if she doesn't - I would be willing to bet, just knowing the history of the boards, that any possible thing she could possibly say would get nitpicked, misconstrued, and twisted to villify her or somehow try to confirm that she's somehow evil. It was suggested in squirrely's thread that toledo could have been behind the Etsy comment, which quite literally made me snort. Because, no. The finger-pointing and trying to place blame on the wrong people has gotten out of control. What booby did to Kirkette, and what was done to smo by whatever fucktwat chose to do that, is heinously wrong, there is NO doubting those facts. But I can't sit here and watch my friend get thrown under the bus like this. Again, like cjoy said, what do people expect her to do after reading the posts about her? Would you come back if you read the same things about yourself?
Again, people are acting like there's a preponderance of posts saying Toledo is racist or a nutter capable of sending smo a bag of dicks. Did anyone actually say these things outside of one post in squirrellys thread?
We don't give a fuck! Minnesota rally! I haven't been here for years, BUT I WILL TRY 13 LOGIN ATTEMPTS TO DEFEND THE FELLOW PEOPLE THAT HAPPEN TO RESIDE WITHIN A 20 MILE RADIUS OF ME.
Also, I forgot how to quote. And delete irrelevant quotes. Is yelling in caps still cool?
I saw Toledo mentioned. Not a lot. But if someone implied I might be at fault or responsible or aligned with the person who sent that package, it would not take a lot of posts mentioning me for me to not want to come back.
I thought Toledo being brought up on CEP was more people expecting her to weigh in. I mean, she's never shy about dropping in and needling that board and she posts on CEP from time to time, as does LHC.
Probably to other boards - specifically CEP since that's what I'm most familiar with - they are kind of the faces of ML or the most well known. And they are generally never shy about their thoughts so my takeaway was people probably expected some posts from them, not deleting posts one after another.
Ok, I swear I don't mean to derail, but I have to finish telling this stupid goose story.
So now that the geese have made their way onto my property, I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of them. I read that they don't like loud noises (which I should have known was BS because I live in a freaking construction zone right now), so I opened a window and started playing screeching noises at them with my old clarinet, which just happened to be in a moving box in my office. They don't even turn around or look up. However, my daughter is pulling on my elbow yelling, "leave them alone, mommy! They're kind of cute!" Lmao. Then she decided that it looked like fun (plus I refused to stop), so she ran and grabbed a kazoo. So here we both are, crouched down in front of the window with our kazoo and clarinet, while my husband is scolding me about being a ridiculous influence.
Omg. I'm choking laughing at this visual and my kid is giving me dirty looks.
I saw Toledo mentioned. Not a lot. But if someone implied I might be at fault or responsible or aligned with the person who sent that package, it would not take a lot of posts mentioning me for me to not want to come back.
see, my confrontational ass would be buying tickets to the GTG so you all could kiss my ass in person. This is not a quality of which I'm proud.
"Why would you ruin perfectly good peanuts by adding candy corn? That's like saying hey, I have these awesome nachos, guess I better add some dryer lint." - Nonny
Lurker here, so I may be subject to the "who are you?'s" but I just wanted to say that to the people who are now being silent/not wanting to say anything b\c you'll put your foot in your mouth, it happens. I've been trained on this a million times with my job, and one of the first things they say is that you'll screw up sooner or later. We can't be vigilant to all things, b\c what may feel like a microaggression to one person wouldn't necessarily raise the hackles of someone else. I'm a woman and a POC, and just the other day I put my foot in it at work. The person I was engaging with let me know they were offended, I apologized, owned my very unintentional mistake, processed it with the person, and we both moved on. It doesn't have to end in a ball of flames like all of this did. Also, and I think this point has been mentioned, but just b\c you make a racially (or insert any other marginalized group here) insensitive/careless/unknowingly insensitive remark doesn't make you a racist/sexist/homophobic person. Being called out for making one =/= being called a racist, and I think a whole lot more progress could be made here if people recognized that. **crawls back into hiding place**
Post by snipsnsnails on Feb 1, 2016 20:44:51 GMT -5
I'd expect the same things that I expect of myself: drop my defensiveness, not make it about me and listen when people talk.
Like lilchubbs just said, if someone let me know they saw something that could be offensive, I'd listen, engage and apologize when necessary.
And just to not speak in generalities, 05 posted about her own observations (and 80+ people liked it, although 74 of them probably liked the geese portion :-p) earlier in this thread. I think they dignify a response either here or privately. If not for the things themselves than because 05 is a damn fine friend and member of this community.
I'd expect the same things that I expect of myself: drop my defensiveness, not make it about me and listen when people talk.
Like lilchubbs just said, if someone let me know they saw something that could be offensive, I'd listen, engage and apologize when necessary.
And just to not speak in generalities, 05 posted about her own observations (and 80+ people liked it, although 74 of them probably liked the geese portion :-p) earlier in this thread. I think they dignify a response either here or privately. If not for the things themselves than because 05 is a damn fine friend and member of this community.
Are you saying people should've not just liked what she said, but responded with words? Just trying to follow.
I'd expect the same things that I expect of myself: drop my defensiveness, not make it about me and listen when people talk.
Like lilchubbs just said, if someone let me know they saw something that could be offensive, I'd listen, engage and apologize when necessary.
And just to not speak in generalities, 05 posted about her own observations (and 80+ people liked it, although 74 of them probably liked the geese portion :-p) earlier in this thread. I think they dignify a response either here or privately. If not for the things themselves than because 05 is a damn fine friend and member of this community.
Are you saying people should've not just liked what she said, but responded with words? Just trying to follow.
Oops, sorry, no, it was in response to malibu asking what we should expect of toledo.
What you people aren't following my train of conversation in my head, 5 pages later?? ;-p
I'd expect the same things that I expect of myself: drop my defensiveness, not make it about me and listen when people talk.
Like lilchubbs just said, if someone let me know they saw something that could be offensive, I'd listen, engage and apologize when necessary.
And just to not speak in generalities, 05 posted about her own observations (and 80+ people liked it, although 74 of them probably liked the geese portion :-p) earlier in this thread. I think they dignify a response either here or privately. If not for the things themselves than because 05 is a damn fine friend and member of this community.
I don't recall anyone going for Toledo's blood. Booby and V were mentioned a lot though.
Oh no...she was mentioned a great deal.
I just went back and read the CEP thread. It was very civil re: toledo. She was mentioned 4 times in regards to her posts being deleted. So are you talking about MMM?
I just went back and read the CEP thread. It was very civil re: toledo. She was mentioned 4 times in regards to her posts being deleted. So are you talking about MMM?
"Why would you ruin perfectly good peanuts by adding candy corn? That's like saying hey, I have these awesome nachos, guess I better add some dryer lint." - Nonny