Right but the state has custody of these inmates. That's what makes them different than the average person on the street, imo. It's not as if the inmate has the chance to "save their pennies", switch carriers, find black market hormones, etc.
They were saying on the news last night that the surgery could cost upwards of $100,000. The "average person" most likely couldn't just save their pennies and pay out of pocket for a surgery that expensive. Unless they belong to MM of course. I'm glad this person is getting the surgery. I don't think she should be denied medical coverage just because she's in prison. BUT, I also don't think she should be given medical coverage beyond what the average middle-class person working 40 hours a week and living paycheck to paycheck is getting too.
BUT, I also don't think she should be given medical coverage beyond what the average middle-class person working 40 hours a week and living paycheck to paycheck is getting too.
Can you explain this further?
I'd like to know where you think prisoners' medical coverage should end.
So if I "identified" as a superhero, would surgery to give me say...steal claws or bionic man shit be 'medically necessary" because it was the only "cure" to my condition?
This is a freaking waste. and yes, I think sexual reassignment surgery is always wrong.
So if I "identified" as a superhero, would surgery to give me say...steal claws or bionic man shit be 'medically necessary" because it was the only "cure" to my condition?
This is a freaking waste. and yes, I think sexual reassignment surgery is always wrong.
i have a shitton of work to do today and swore i wouldn't log in, but this response is so digusting i couldn't help myself. it's demeaning, marginalizing, and dismissive. it's everything i hope i never am, when faced with ideas or concepts or people who i do not initially understand or identify with. and everything i hope i don't do when i disagree with someone or something (though i'm sure i fail).
i see this as no different than any other medical treatment afforded prisoners. yeah, i don't like crime. yeah, i don't think cable and a weekly pedicure is necessary to meet constitutional minimums, but damn. this is medical. and wasn't his just saying last week how her husband's chemo was $47k? for just one set of treatments? and this (unfortunately, and i wish they didn't have to happen) is the second round? $20k and even $100k sounds like a bargain solution to me.
I certainly don't want to imply that I don't believe he has a right to the surgery, I'm just not sure I approve of it in this context.
I would be concerned about the impact on her psychologically without the proper resources available. I know someone who's had the surgery and it's a very complex process.
I would think that the prison system would probably be better able to give her these resources though as it sounds like she already has them and it's not like she's going to miss the appointments, lose her healthcare, or anything.
While the crime she committed is horrific, she is in prison for life and we need to treat her medical issues regardless of what that might entail just like the rest of the inmate's.
So if I "identified" as a superhero, would surgery to give me say...steal claws or bionic man shit be 'medically necessary" because it was the only "cure" to my condition?
This is a freaking waste. and yes, I think sexual reassignment surgery is always wrong.
Always? Really? How sure are you of that?
In the scientific community we're extremely close to showing why this happens. We already are pretty damn sure as to how. That this is a real physical, biological change occurring in a fetus. That this is neither a choice nor a whim but rather a very real condition where the brain develops as one gender and the body as the other. Gender is amazingly complicated and is so much more then whether you sport a penis or a vagina.
Signed, a neuroendocrinologist.
And ps, since it generally contributes to a whole host of psychological health problems this condition could very well have been a contributing factor to this individual having a personality compatible with committing murder.
Why was she even getting this hormone treatment in prison to begin with? I have a hard time being sympathetic to the needs of someone who brutally killed someone.
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"I was thinking about getting off on demand, but it sounds like I should be glad that I didn't"
And ps, since it generally contributes to a whole host of psychological health problems this condition could very well have been a contributing factor to this individual having a personality compatible with committing murder.
YES! People underestimate the kind of emotional damage this condition can cause... and how it will manifest.
For the record i just want to say i am NOT against the surgery in general. For a convicted murder? Yes, i am. I have no sympathy for her and her "mental anguish" is not at the top of my priority list. I think, what if her murdered wife was my mother? My best friend? I think anyone who commits such a brutal crime should feel anguish.
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"I was thinking about getting off on demand, but it sounds like I should be glad that I didn't"
For the record i just want to say i am NOT against the surgery in general. For a convicted murder? Yes, i am. I have no sympathy for her and her "mental anguish" is not at the top of my priority list. I think, what if her murdered wife was my mother? My best friend? I think anyone who commits such a brutal crime should feel anguish.
I guess I'm not understanding why they should feel more anguish than the guy two cells down who raped and murdered his mother and likes being a man and having a penis just fine.
I can only imagine the mental anguish I would suffer if this person had killed my child and I had to see all this sympathy poured out for his/her mental anguish.
For the record i just want to say i am NOT against the surgery in general. For a convicted murder? Yes, i am. I have to sympathy for her and her "mental anguish" is not at the top of my priority list. I think, what if her murdered wife was my mother? My best friend? I think anyone who commits such a brutal crime should feel anguish.
So would you be against inmates having access to medication for depression? or access to counseling? what about within prison support groups?
No mental health support for those in the prison system?
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"I was thinking about getting off on demand, but it sounds like I should be glad that I didn't"
I can only imagine the mental anguish I would suffer if I this person had killed my child and I had to see all this sympathy poured out for his/her mental anguish.
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"I was thinking about getting off on demand, but it sounds like I should be glad that I didn't"
I wonder what the difference would be if the person she killed was a junkie who had been in and out of the system for years herself/himself. It's easy to think that all murderers kill completely innocent people just walking down the street, minding their own business... but I'm sure the thought process on this would change if the victim wasn't a cute little old grandma, but instead someone who was coked out during her pregnancy, neglected her kids, beat up cops, etc.
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"I was thinking about getting off on demand, but it sounds like I should be glad that I didn't"
You can have sympathy for victims and still think prisoners are human beings who are entitled to medical care and basic, human dignity even while serving their time. Do I think they need cable television and hair salons, nope. But treatment for medical, mental, and dental issues, sure as shit.
And as someone mentioned- what if the condition wasn't being transgender... but cancer? I think too many people are equating this to a vanity procedure... like getting a boob job.
Post by gretchenindisguise on Sept 5, 2012 11:46:09 GMT -5
Fine FINE! I'll just C&P from my post yesterday since you whores all suck.
Is there a discernible and definable difference between Schizophrenia and Gender Identity Disorder? Would you also withhold treatments form someone suffering from Schizophrenia?
For the record i just want to say i am NOT against the surgery in general. For a convicted murder? Yes, i am. I have to sympathy for her and her "mental anguish" is not at the top of my priority list. I think, what if her murdered wife was my mother? My best friend? I think anyone who commits such a brutal crime should feel anguish.
So would you be against inmates having access to medication for depression? or access to counseling? what about within prison support groups?
No mental health support for those in the prison system?
No, but this is a major surgery, and elective in my mind.
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"I was thinking about getting off on demand, but it sounds like I should be glad that I didn't"
Who is to say if this is necessary? I realize i pretty much stand alone here, but i am having trouble sympathizing.
Her doctors are saying it's necessary. Department of corrections doctors no less who aren't exactly sympathetic to the plight of attention whores, whiners, and excuse givers.
I mean I probably watch too much Lockup but I'm hardpressed to believe prison docs are willy nilly handing out diagnoses like upper middle class pediatricians confronted with helicopter mommies who want antibiotics for the slight tickle in the back of junior's throat.