Listen, it's a fact that prisoners are entitled to adequate medical care. You don't have to like it, but that's not what this case is about. This case is about whether gender reassignment surgery is the only adequate treatment for this inmate's condition. If it is, he gets it. If it's not, the DOC has discretion whether to provide it or some other type of treatment.
Listen, it's a fact that prisoners are entitled to adequate medical care. You don't have to like it, but that's not what this case is about. This case is about whether gender reassignment surgery is the only adequate treatment for this inmate's condition. If it is, he gets it. If it's not, the DOC has discretion whether to provide it or some other type of treatment.
For the record i just want to say i am NOT against the surgery in general. For a convicted murder? Yes, i am. I have to sympathy for her and her "mental anguish" is not at the top of my priority list. I think, what if her murdered wife was my mother? My best friend? I think anyone who commits such a brutal crime should feel anguish.
So would you be against inmates having access to medication for depression? or access to counseling? what about within prison support groups?
No mental health support for those in the prison system?
I'm okay with some medication to calm the feelings of sadness that one doesn't have the correct genitalia. Should have not taken the life of another, imo.
Post by PinkSquirrel on Sept 5, 2012 12:44:21 GMT -5
My only struggle with this is that MA Health (medicaid) doesn't cover SRS. I struggle with someone that has murdered people having greater access to healthcare than someone who is poor. Ultimately, I think it should be covered in both cases because while someone who is poor and on MA Health can in theory save up the money for SRS, they're on MA Health because they probably can't save up that kind of money.
I also worry about the longer term ramifications for those that may desperately want SRS, but the only way for it to be paid for is to go to jail and have it covered. While, I don't think that will happen often by any stretch, I do think there are people who have a very real need for SRS that could bring them to the point that they would do anything in their power to have the surgery and feel right within their own bodies. If going to jail is the guaranteed way to make it happen for free, I could see it feeling worth it to people to end up in jail.
Basically, what I'm saying is all forms of insurance should cover SRS.
I'd just like to use this thread as evidence that mental health and treatment still has a HUGE stigma in the US.
I don't think there'd be a four page thread against providing treatment for HIV, diabetes, or cancer. The only real reason I can see for people to be against this is that they don't believe that GID is legitimate enough.
Nope. When one murders someone, they shouldn't get to be treated as an equal, to the degree that you get gender reassignment surgery, which is expensive as hell, btw.
I have a feeling that many would feel differently if their son/daughter was the murder victim.
I'd just like to use this thread as evidence that mental health and treatment still has a HUGE stigma in the US.
I don't think there'd be a four page thread against providing treatment for HIV, diabetes, or cancer. The only real reason I can see for people to be against this is that they don't believe that GID is legitimate enough.
Nope. When one murders someone, they shouldn't get to be treated as an equal, to the degree that you get gender reassignment surgery, which is expensive as hell, btw.
I have a feeling that many would feel differently if their son/daughter was the murder victim.
Who the victim is or isn't doesn't determine the level of care available to prisoners.
That's like saying if you kill a child you get health care level A, but hey you killed a crackhead, you get health care level C.
I'd just like to use this thread as evidence that mental health and treatment still has a HUGE stigma in the US.
I don't think there'd be a four page thread against providing treatment for HIV, diabetes, or cancer. The only real reason I can see for people to be against this is that they don't believe that GID is legitimate enough.
Nope. When one murders someone, they shouldn't get to be treated as an equal, to the degree that you get gender reassignment surgery, which is expensive as hell, btw.
I have a feeling that many would feel differently if their son/daughter was the murder victim.
OF COURSE THEY WOULD. that's the point. the doctors aren't assessing how they feel about her crime, they're assessing the medical need for the procedure. that's their only job.
Nope. When one murders someone, they shouldn't get to be treated as an equal, to the degree that you get gender reassignment surgery, which is expensive as hell, btw.
I have a feeling that many would feel differently if their son/daughter was the murder victim.
This is the laziest argument, scotty. There is a reason that victims' family members don't get to decide punishment.
This is the laziest argument, scotty. There is a reason that victims' family members don't get to decide punishment.
I don't consider it lazy. I consider it honest.
Well to be fair, if someone murdered my daughter, I wouldn't want them to get any medical treatment. So we're back to no medical treatment for inmates. Wheee!!
Well, let me put it this way. If they get it, fine. I'm not in an uproar.
Do I think that they could survive with out it? Yes. And unhappily so, most likely, but again, that whole murder thing. Maybe it's part of their punishment.
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Well, let me put it this way. If they get it, fine. I'm not in an uproar.
Do I think that they could survive with out it? Yes. And unhappily so, most likely, but again, that whole murder thing. Maybe it's part of their punishment.
I think the point is that witholding medical treatment is NOT part of their punishment and is unconstitutional.
Well, let me put it this way. If they get it, fine. I'm not in an uproar.
Do I think that they could survive with out it? Yes. And unhappily so, most likely, but again, that whole murder thing. Maybe it's part of their punishment.
See and I feel that this answer just highlights the complete non-understanding of GID.
So, continuing on the "if it was my child" thread... what if it was YOUR child that had gender dysmorphia? Forget the prison thing... but it sounds like a lot of people just don't quite understand the condition and the kind of havoc it can wreak on someone's life. What if it was your child who, from the moment they were born, felt that they didn't belong, didn't know what their role was, felt constant confusion as to every single thought and emotion they had. Now tell me it's not as important as chemo treatment for a cancer victim.
I am seriously lol'ing that those of us who are going against the majority keep getting generalized statements thrown out at us. I never said no insulin for diabetics, but whatevs.
Anyway, I'm out. I am at the doctors office. I still love you guys lol
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Gretchen, well explain what I'm missing if you have the time. I've read about it, but I don't know anyone with it.
Its a complete and total lack of identity with the body they're living in. Its getting up every morning looking a mirror and thinking, this is wrong. Its dealing with hormones and changes and physical body parts that they feel unconnected with. It would be like you walking down the street and every individual you meet looking at you and assigning you male gender roles when everything in you tells you your female.
Most who don't undergo serious therapy and/or gender reassignment end up self mutilating or committing suicide.
This has caused me to think of all the soliders out there who are being forced to endure hot temperatures while having their dong and balls sticking to their hairy thighs all day long.
Well. So someone feels that they're a woman trapped in a man's body, for instance. Okay. They have counseling, maybe, eventually get approval for hormones (if they choose), take hormones, perhaps choose surgeries that make them feel more comfortable in their skin. I've read in the community that it is sometimes elective.
I'm reading that the most important thing for SOME is therapy, for some it's therapy and surgery.
Again, it comes down to what is a must for this prisoner, and if GID allows for survival sans surgery, I would think that due to the nature of the crime and the fact that this person is a prisoner, they'd maybe hold off on that surgery. But, I'm open to other thoughts.
I think the surgery is like 20K I'm reading and only a small amount of doctors perform them. So, you're transporting this murderer for gender-reassignment surgery to another state.
Diabetes is something that requires a med or most likely, you're going to die, assuming diet doesn't control it. I don't see how GIS is quite the same. It seems survival is possible sans surgery.
I only read the first two pages and the last (LOL) but I agree with habbsies and frkls.
Ditto. The inmate's doctors have determined that surgery is medically necessary for the inmate, and denying medically necessary treatment would certainly classify as cruel and unusual punishment.
Well. So someone feels that they're a woman trapped in a man's body, for instance. Okay. They have counseling, maybe, eventually get approval for hormones (if they choose), take hormones, perhaps choose surgeries that make them feel more comfortable in their skin. I've read in the community that it is sometimes elective.
I'm reading that the most important thing for SOME is therapy, for some it's therapy and surgery.
Again, it comes down to what is a must for this prisoner, and if GID allows for survival sans surgery, I would think that due to the nature of the crime and the fact that this person is a prisoner, they'd maybe hold off on that surgery. But, I'm open to other thoughts.
I think the surgery is like 20K I'm reading and only a small amount of doctors perform them. So, you're transporting this murderer for gender-reassignment surgery to another state.
Diabetes is something that requires a med or most likely, you're going to die, assuming diet doesn't control it. I don't see how GIS is quite the same. It seems survival is possible sans surgery.
But she's been in the prison system for years. She's in therapy and I assume on hormones and yet after all this, living as a woman since 1993 (iirc) surrounded by men her doctors are recommending the surgery.
So it's not a willy nilly decision we're discussing.
One can survive without meds for a variety of issues but we've determined there is a minimum standard for quality of life even within the confines of prison. IMO, treatment of mental disorders qualifies as meeting that standard.
She isn't getting a pearl studded, silk lined vagina lol
I am seriously lol'ing that those of us who are going against the majority keep getting generalized statements thrown out at us. I never said no insulin for diabetics, but whatevs.
Anyway, I'm out. I am at the doctors office. I still love you guys lol
It's called a comparison. Trying to explain to you that medically necessary treatments should not be withheld from prisoners. Since you don't seem to consider GRS to be medically necessary, others are trying to show you comparisons to help you understand, not trying to put words in your mouth.
But when we try to do the same with comparison, we are way off
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