Wow, holy shit. I'm so sorry @natariru. These people suck and are not worth 1/1000th of you. I understand why you wouldn't want to be here, but please know you are missed.
I am confused. Are you trying to target specific people who you think haven't read the threads? Or are you trying to demand a collective silence on all unrelated topics?
I completely understand how the other posts ring hollow right now, but lots of posters have been posting as normally on other boards all week. There is no way to know who is reading, thinking, processing, reaching out privately, examining, etc.
I think silence and taking a break would be good for many/most of us right now, but I don't think this is the best way to accomplish that.
The above is what I posted in your thread. I suppose my "concerns" were simply about your tactics, never your intentions or your heart.
Yes, you were absolutely right.
I am not trying to defend my participation or any of my actions. I do not want to make any excuses or run away.
Obviously my tactics were not "extreme" and "militant" enough because SAME SHIT DIFFERENT DAY! IM ABOUT TO GO FULL ON MARTIAL LAW! *TIC OBVIOUSLY
Yeah, but you're white; so it won't be scary and people will forget about it (/sarcasm). Meanwhile if you put the words at the fingers of a WOC she would be labeled "scary" and "mean" and "threatening".
I am confused. Are you trying to target specific people who you think haven't read the threads? Or are you trying to demand a collective silence on all unrelated topics?
I completely understand how the other posts ring hollow right now, but lots of posters have been posting as normally on other boards all week. There is no way to know who is reading, thinking, processing, reaching out privately, examining, etc.
I think silence and taking a break would be good for many/most of us right now, but I don't think this is the best way to accomplish that.
The above is what I posted in your thread. I suppose my "concerns" were simply about your tactics, never your intentions or your heart.
Yes, you were absolutely right.
I am not trying to defend my participation or any of my actions. I do not want to make any excuses or run away.
Stop with the run around. Were you a part of this racist shit? Yes or no If yes, what the fuck is wrong with you? These aren't rhetorical questions.
I am trying to respond as honestly and clearly as I can. I don't want to make excuses or give any runaround or to in any way make this about me or my feelings.
I was in the chat group. I talked about Tami's post there, then I came to the board and posted in the thread that was being questioned.
I had no idea @natariru was removed and re-added. Like @mrswindycity I also "liked" the posts in the group criticizing the removal and re-add of @natariru but did not make my own separate comments because by that point it had been pointed out and explained that @sessalee had made that decision unilaterally.
I did not know or notice that the name of the group was changed. I do not regularly use GroupMe and I removed myself from the group before this thread was posted, as did a few others.
Also, unrelated to the race aspect of this which is 100% the most important part, this bullshit mean girls gossip about your "friends" on a private board is fucking gross. To each and every one of you that participated in it. It was gross back on TN and its gross now. Grow the fuck up.
Is this mic on? @starry , were you a part of this shit, even after marching in a BLM protest? @mrswindycity, in addition to contributing Tami Taylor's real name for greater mocking, what else did you offer the group for shiggles?
Who else knew about this and were bystanders? I really want to know as I have been physically sick end by this all morning. @starry were you a part of this mess? sjSJ, in the name of all things holy and 10 years of friendship, please tell me someone else spells their name the same way? @mrswindycity ... WTF?
@sessalee and lindsaymg, you seem to stay ratchet as all hell, so I'm frankly not surprised by the riffraff behaviors on you end. Those who don't, won't and all that jazz. Par for the course. Why don't you go take a seat net to @this v and @booby
Everyone else wrapped up in today's glaring shitshow against @natariru TamiTaylor, and all GBCNers of color, really, when you teach your kids about race, I hope you are honest and include the epic times, in 2016, where you clearly knew better, yet happily let your racist ass show to the world, as you mocked and were irritated by a true ally, and treated people of color with the utmost distain and disregard. That is your true color ... Racist white (and maybe even passing for white) bitches behaving badly. How low and vile?
I hate using this term, but I'll do it anyway. You participating MMM Gossip Train Free for Police Forum posters the worst form of trash I've ever encountered, in my life. And that's saying a lot, as I've been called a Nigger straight to my face.
Best wishes with your bad assed children, glaring food issues, and good for nothing husbands. However, if you see me anywhere online or IRL, since we travel so much, do not acknowledge my existence. You are the company you keep, and I want none of your racist assed foolishness.
OMG LOL. I'm on my phone, so can't bold. But please sfy can you add the appropriate gif to the last ending part above. "Best wishes with your bad ass children"
Now we know who voted yes in the wiseowl poll! Lol. At least I had the balls to admit it. This is why I never have and never will befriend a group of white women.
As one of the GTG participants, I was in the group. I had no idea that was the name, since I view it in text message form, not an app, and it only shows a phone number.
My inappropriate contribution was saying that I initially thought TT's posting in every thread was more to stir drama than to inspire meaningful dialogue. But when I realized the WOC appreciated her posts, I realized I was very wrong and said so, both in the group and in a public post here. And I will apologize again now: I am sorry for inappropriately judging the tone and intent of your posts,TamiTaylor. Truly.
We all should have requested the group to be shut down when we saw Renata was removed.
Until that point, the group had been very positive--a support system for some of our parenting concerns, more positive discussion on ways to do better as allies, etc.
Since I seem to be singled out and many posters were excluded from this call out, I will be the one to speak out here.
It was a group started for easy comms while we were in Chicago, the name is easily changed. I never changed the name.
I freely admit I think TamiTaylor's posts on every thread made me CRAZY. While I did not change the name of the group but I do think she was being the board police and I did not agree with her methods. I don't feel like you can force these conversations if people don't want to have them.
I DID speak up when Natariru was removed by someone other than me. It was pretty clear how I felt about it. Several people did and she was re-added within 10 min based on the general feedback of myself and other contributors.
Other than that the group just talked about other things in their lives outside the race conversations during the time of silence on other topics on this board.
Since I seem to be singled out and many posters were excluded from this call out, I will be the one to speak out here.
It was a group started for easy comms while we were in Chicago, the name is easily changed. I never changed the name.
I freely admit I think TamiTaylor's posts on every thread made me CRAZY. While I did not change the name of the group but I do think she was being the board police and I did not agree with her methods. I don't feel like you can force these conversations if people don't want to have them.
I DID speak up when Natariru was removed by someone other than me. It was pretty clear how I felt about it. Several people did and she was re-added within 10 min based on the general feedback of myself and other contributors.
Other than that the group just talked about other things in their lives outside the race conversations during the time of silence on other topics on this board.
I'm sorry.
Girl, no one WANTS to have these conversations. But they have to be had. We will never progress if we don't challenge beliefs and the way people think. And the biases exist in everyone, in every day life. But they make people uncomfortable, so yeah it's way easier just to wait til it slaps you.
Post by usuallylurking on Sept 8, 2016 16:03:10 GMT -5
This is gross. I've been quiet, but I've been reading.
Sessalee is sorry she was caught, nothing else. How can a person actively make those decisions (several times- asking for names to do a FB friend check, then removing nata, then "justifying" why, then re-adding, etc) but be sorry? No.
Also, I have no idea how big that group chat is/was, but now y'all know why and how Trump gets so many votes on this board. It isn't "trolls" from other boards trying to skew your polls. It's your own damn posters who are flying high on their white privilege and blatant racism. There was nothing micro about that group name or what happened to nata. Fucking gross.
I am trying to respond as honestly and clearly as I can. I don't want to make excuses or give any runaround or to in any way make this about me or my feelings.
I was in the chat group. I talked about Tami's post there, then I came to the board and posted in the thread that was being questioned.
I had no idea @natariru was removed and re-added. Like @mrswindycity I also "liked" the posts in the group criticizing the removal and re-add of @natariru but did not make my own separate comments because by that point it had been pointed out and explained that @sessalee had made that decision unilaterally.
I did not know or notice that the name of the group was changed. I do not regularly use GroupMe and I removed myself from the group before this thread was posted, as did a few others.
Let's be real you removed yourself from the GroupMe because @natariru said she told the WOC about y'all's collective bullshit.
@starry and I left the group this morning after @natariru commented, but I did not know she was planning to tell others.
Post by kristenbell on Sept 8, 2016 16:04:24 GMT -5
I was involved in the conversation. I posted here (http://pandce.proboards.com/thread/550513/white-posters?page=11) afterwards that while I previously thought Tami's posts were a bit much, I realized I was wrong pretty quickly. I didn't notice the name change of the group but I own that it was wrong of me to participate.
I noticed that @natariru was removed from the group and it didn't seem right to me. In my continued place of privilege and nativite, I couldn't imagine that anyone would be so blatant as to remove a WOC from the group. Obviously, I was wrong. The reason that was given was that she might be friends with Tami and tell her, which I thought was pretty dumb and sort of implausible. I did call it out and @natariru was returned to the group.
However, I agree that it was, at best, intensive insensitive of me to participate in the first place and to claim that Tami's posts were taking it too far. At worst, it makes me a self-congratulatory hypocrite and a racist.
I think that people are pretty fucking tired of apologies from white posters, so I'm not going to waste anyone's time. I thought it was important to acknowledge my role in all this rather than staying silent.
Yeah, but you're white; so it won't be scary and people will forget about it (/sarcasm). Meanwhile if you put the words at the fingers of a WOC she would be labeled "scary" and "mean" and "threatening".
What's extra special is that SJ was posting on the WOC board about how she's half Chilean while actively calling TamiTaylor the board police.
You don't get to shit on an ally and frankly one of the only women I trust in this bitch and then avail yourself of OUR safe place.
FUCK YOU.
oh word? This is Joanne the Scammer level boldness. Lmao.
Holy crap. I've hardly been on this week (drew chauffeur duty for Grandma thanks to my mom's new job) and I come back to this.
Fuck it all. I can't even begin to imagine how done @natariru is with all of this since I personally want to flip tables and bail on this place if this is the kind of crap that's going down.
Since I seem to be singled out and many posters were excluded from this call out, I will be the one to speak out here.
It was a group started for easy comms while we were in Chicago, the name is easily changed. I never changed the name.
I freely admit I think TamiTaylor's posts on every thread made me CRAZY. While I did not change the name of the group but I do think she was being the board police and I did not agree with her methods. I don't feel like you can force these conversations if people don't want to have them.
I DID speak up when Natariru was removed by someone other than me. It was pretty clear how I felt about it. Several people did and she was re-added within 10 min based on the general feedback of myself and other contributors.
Other than that the group just talked about other things in their lives outside the race conversations during the time of silence on other topics on this board.
I'm sorry.
But they NEED to happen. Because if they don't, then shit keeps happening.
I think "I'm listening and learning" is just another way of saying 'whatever". People try to use it as a get-out-of-jail-free card and don't actually give a fuck. Apparently way too many posters have ingrained racism that they don't really care to learn their way out of and will just keep rearing it's ugly head. Fuck
Yeah, they needed to be able to block you from Facebook. The didn't know your real name, so @mrswindycity (who has now forever failed my screen test. I under no circumstances, want her or her family around mine) and another poster offered up your real first name at least, to help with their "Shame the ally" campaign.
WHAT THE FUCK! FUCK YOU! HOW FUCK DARE YOU SHARE MY PERSONAL PRIVATE INFORMATION.