Post by runforrest on Sept 22, 2016 2:03:33 GMT -5
Can someone explain why the police would pull someone who was just standing there "through their line"? We were watching it in Tokyo this morning and it was terrifying. The poor protestor was literally just standing there.
There are pictures of my husband patrolling the streets in Iraq in less fucking gear than what the police departments have.
Crowd control 101: your mere presence escalates a situation. It'd be a good idea not to show up dressed for a fucking war.
My husband's military too, and I had a similar thought process. Then this came up in my news feed today and it was so poignant. I mean what the fuck is happening? More military than the military for protests?
Yeah, they keep interrupting the people speaking to be like "everyone look at that garbage can on fire!"
And I'm getting pissed at the way they keep going on about how this was a peaceful protest- people praying, singing, starting a dialogue- then it turned violent, so it's losing its meaning. I mean, I'm not excited by the violence, but don't act like shit's going to change if we just sang a little more kumbaya.
Because POC cannot be angry! EVER. They must rise above any emotion. /sarcasm.
Sorry if it's duplicate. I've been trying to keep up on all the posts. Very eye opening on behavior bias.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm trying to use it to educate someone who has such white European bias that they can't see it. I doubt it will work because they will think it's too "leftish" but at least I can try.
Post by trytobearunner34 on Sept 22, 2016 4:15:09 GMT -5
I woke up this morning, read the news and cried. I have lived in Charlotte almost half my life. We are a flawed city. We have areas of strength. We have significant areas of deficit. We are made up of humans. As humans we have strengths and we have so many weaknesses. My heart aches right now.
My heart aches and my mind won't stop. This is a sincere question. How do we locally and nationally focus on what I believe to be the root of the issue (systematic white privilege vs. systematic oppression of people of color)? Or if you don't agree that this is the root, what do you see as the root?
Post by RoxMonster on Sept 22, 2016 6:15:25 GMT -5
This is disgusting--the fact that police show up to protests with full riot gear on and treat black people like they are enemies in a time of war (even WORSE than that!)
The articles I'm seeing this morning say the person who was shot is in critical condition. I feel like they were probably shot by a cop.
ETA: One article said the initial Tweet that claimed the person was dead also said they were not shot by a cop. The correction Tweet saying they are on life support did not have that in it.
I woke up this morning, read the news and cried. I have lived in Charlotte almost half my life. We are a flawed city. We have areas of strength. We have significant areas of deficit. We are made up of humans. As humans we have strengths and we have so many weaknesses. My heart aches right now.
My heart aches and my mind won't stop. This is a sincere question. How do we locally and nationally focus on what I believe to be the root of the issue (systematic white privilege vs. systematic oppression of people of color)? Or if you don't agree that this is the root, what do you see as the root?
To start with, we need to vote people into office, especially judges, who will hold people accountable. Officers shouldn't be getting off on these cases without even any charges.
And then, we white people need to hold other white people accountable. We can't sit quietly when someone says something racist.
I just woke up and am catching up on this. My heart is so heavy for POC who have to face this police hostility and then face the ignorance that attempts to present it as being justifiable.
This is going to get bad today, as it should, if the police continue to maintain that this poor man was shot by a fellow protestor. F@$&. He was shot in the head with a rubber bullet!? 😞
Post by dani302011 on Sept 22, 2016 6:51:06 GMT -5
I live in Charlotte and work in Uptown where all the violence took place, most right out side the building I work in.
I didn't read this entire thread but the police didn't start in riot gear. Peaceful protest started around 4 and there was plenty of police presence but mainly just staying back. The riot gear came out once the violence started. Uptown has been destroyed. Stores looted, multiple business destroyed.
It is just sad that this is happening to our city. Also the fact that most of the violence came from those that don't even live here. I was watching Facebook feed of a Charlotte NC Live reporter talking to protestors and most were from out of the city and state.
Please pray for Charlotte. This is not the first shooting and death of a African American in our community and it needs to stop.
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I live in Charlotte and work in Uptown where all the violence took place, most right out side the building I work in.
I didn't read this entire thread but the police didn't start in riot gear. Peaceful protest started around 4 and there was plenty of police presence but mainly just staying back. The riot gear came out once the violence started. Uptown has been destroyed. Stores looted, multiple business destroyed.
It is just sad that this is happening to our city. Also the fact that most of the violence came from those that don't even live here. I was watching Facebook feed of a Charlotte NC Live reporter talking to protestors and most were from out of the city and state.
Please pray for Charlotte. This is not the first shooting and death of a African American in our community and it needs to stop.
Interesting that most were from out of the area, we were talking in the office yesterday about where all the protesters were coming from and didn't know. I also live in Charlotte and work very close to Uptown, all of my meetings in Uptown are canceled today. The photos of the aftermath I'm seeing are awful.
I'm hoping if it continues that the protests stay peaceful; the shootings need to stop.
I live in Charlotte and work in Uptown where all the violence took place, most right out side the building I work in.
I didn't read this entire thread but the police didn't start in riot gear. Peaceful protest started around 4 and there was plenty of police presence but mainly just staying back. The riot gear came out once the violence started. Uptown has been destroyed. Stores looted, multiple business destroyed.
It is just sad that this is happening to our city. Also the fact that most of the violence came from those that don't even live here. I was watching Facebook feed of a Charlotte NC Live reporter talking to protestors and most were from out of the city and state.
Please pray for Charlotte. This is not the first shooting and death of a African American in our community and it needs to stop.
Interesting that most were from out of the area, we were talking in the office yesterday about where all the protesters were coming from and didn't know. I also live in Charlotte and work very close to Uptown, all of my meetings in Uptown are canceled today. The photos of the aftermath I'm seeing are awful.
I'm hoping if it continues that the protests stay peaceful; the shootings need to stop.
I am working from home today. My building is still on lockdown. I work in a building attached to the Omni.
The protest need to happen because the violence against our African community needs to stop but I hope it can be done in a way that doesn't destroy our city in the process.
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The protest need to happen because the violence against our African community needs to stop but I hope it can be done in a way that doesn't destroy our city in the process.
Where do you think it should happen, then? Someone else's city, someone else's back yard?
I live in Charlotte and work in Uptown where all the violence took place, most right out side the building I work in.
I didn't read this entire thread but the police didn't start in riot gear. Peaceful protest started around 4 and there was plenty of police presence but mainly just staying back. The riot gear came out once the violence started. Uptown has been destroyed. Stores looted, multiple business destroyed.
It is just sad that this is happening to our city. Also the fact that most of the violence came from those that don't even live here. I was watching Facebook feed of a Charlotte NC Live reporter talking to protestors and most were from out of the city and state.
Please pray for Charlotte. This is not the first shooting and death of a African American in our community and it needs to stop.
Interesting that most were from out of the area, we were talking in the office yesterday about where all the protesters were coming from and didn't know. I also live in Charlotte and work very close to Uptown, all of my meetings in Uptown are canceled today. The photos of the aftermath I'm seeing are awful.
I'm hoping if it continues that the protests stay peaceful; the shootings need to stop.
I am working from home today. My building is still on lockdown. I work in a building attached to the Omni.
The protest need to happen because the violence against our African community needs to stop but I hope it can be done in a way that doesn't destroy our city in the process.
Hope those darn protesters go back where they belong and don't inconvenience you so much! ^o)
The protest need to happen because the violence against our African community needs to stop but I hope it can be done in a way that doesn't destroy our city in the process.
Where do you think it should happen, then? Someone else's city, someone else's back yard?
It needs to happen here and everywhere but why does anyone think it is ok for protesting to mean destruction of any city? Why is it ok for people to come from all over the US and throw chairs through windows, loot stores and destroy property? I think you took my post the wrong way. I was out there during lunch and briefly after work surrounded by peaceful protest. Joining in and being apart of it all. That is the kind of protesting that should be happening in our cities. Instead people were shot and buildings destroyed and looted. How is this ok with anyone, black, white, yellow, orange or any color?
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Where do you think it should happen, then? Someone else's city, someone else's back yard?
It needs to happen here and everywhere but why does anyone think it is ok for protesting to mean destruction of any city? Why is it ok for people to come from all over the US and throw chairs through windows, loot stores and destroy property? I think you took my post the wrong way. I was out there during lunch and briefly after work surrounded by peaceful protest. Joining in and being apart of it all. That is the kind of protesting that should be happening in our cities. Instead people were shot and buildings destroyed and looted. How is this ok with anyone, black, white, yellow, orange or any color?
Oh, I guess you don't see color? Are you colorblind?
Where do you think it should happen, then? Someone else's city, someone else's back yard?
It needs to happen here and everywhere but why does anyone think it is ok for protesting to mean destruction of any city? Why is it ok for people to come from all over the US and throw chairs through windows, loot stores and destroy property? I think you took my post the wrong way. I was out there during lunch and briefly after work surrounded by peaceful protest. Joining in and being apart of it all. That is the kind of protesting that should be happening in our cities. Instead people were shot and buildings destroyed and looted. How is this ok with anyone, black, white, yellow, orange or any color?
Because people are angry in a way that you will literally never be able to experience or understand. Stop judging them.
Where do you think it should happen, then? Someone else's city, someone else's back yard?
It needs to happen here and everywhere but why does anyone think it is ok for protesting to mean destruction of any city? Why is it ok for people to come from all over the US and throw chairs through windows, loot stores and destroy property? I think you took my post the wrong way. I was out there during lunch and briefly after work surrounded by peaceful protest. Joining in and being apart of it all. That is the kind of protesting that should be happening in our cities. Instead people were shot and buildings destroyed and looted. How is this ok with anyone, black, white, yellow, orange or any color?
And what, exactly, has peaceful protesting accomplished?
This is righteous anger and fear and frustration because all of the peaceful protesting in the world has resulted in exactly jack shit.
Everyone loves to trot out Martin Luther King, Jr.'s pleas for peace, but he also said "violence is the language of the unheard."
And, sometimes riots have been the only thing that effected change: the Haymarket Riot, the Stonewall Riots, the Kent State Riots, and the Boston Fucking Tea Party are just a few examples.
Where do you think it should happen, then? Someone else's city, someone else's back yard?
It needs to happen here and everywhere but why does anyone think it is ok for protesting to mean destruction of any city? Why is it ok for people to come from all over the US and throw chairs through windows, loot stores and destroy property? I think you took my post the wrong way. I was out there during lunch and briefly after work surrounded by peaceful protest. Joining in and being apart of it all. That is the kind of protesting that should be happening in our cities. Instead people were shot and buildings destroyed and looted. How is this ok with anyone, black, white, yellow, orange or any color?
Here is the thing though. This hasn't stopped. It keeps happening. If a protest is peaceful and quiet and "appropriate" and comfortable for the very people who need to take notice, nothing changes. It's easy to take part in that. But this isn't and shouldn't be easy. It's awful and terrible and one of the main scourges of our generation.
I doubt anyone wants to see lives lost and destruction of property. But if they were out there holding hands and chanting, would you be as apt to say, "This needs to stop!"? Would CNN be covering 24/7?