Can you imagine if the AAP had recommended that every baby needs to sleep in his or her own room, with a state of the art baby monitor, on organic cotton sheets? Even people who did this would flip their shit. Actually I kind of hope this is the next iteration. That would be entertaining.
Post by karinothing on Oct 25, 2016 5:34:41 GMT -5
It is so odd to me that people get mad about this stuff. The purpose of the AAP is not to give realistic advice. It is to give the statistic ideal. I PROMISE you they know that babies don't all like to sleep flat on their backs.
This actually makes me feel better about sleeping in the kid's nursery for the first year of his life. I was super anxious sleeping apart from him (he was fine! It was my own issue).. My H thought I was nuts, which is a little true. Now I can show him this and be all, SCIENCE!
Can you imagine if the AAP had recommended that every baby needs to sleep in his or her own room, with a state of the art baby monitor, on organic cotton sheets? Even people who did this would flip their shit. Actually I kind of hope this is the next iteration. That would be entertaining.
But none of these are based on actual science. they are making recommendations based on the studies that show that these are the ideal sleep rules for babies. They know they are difficult but their job is to tell parents what the safest best practice is based on the evidence. they can't help that science shows that really difficult sleep arrangements are safest, it sucks but they have to tell parents what the science shows to be best, that's their job as the baby's doctor. Its up to the parents to weigh the risk and benefits based on this info and their real life and proceed from there.
Can you imagine if the AAP had recommended that every baby needs to sleep in his or her own room, with a state of the art baby monitor, on organic cotton sheets? Even people who did this would flip their shit. Actually I kind of hope this is the next iteration. That would be entertaining.
But none of these are based on actual science. they are making recommendations based on the studies that show that these are the ideal sleep rules for babies. They know they are difficult but their job is to tell parents what the safest best practice is based on the evidence. they can't help that science shows that really difficult sleep arrangements are safest, it sucks but they have to tell parents what the science shows to be best, that's their job as the baby's doctor. Its up to the parents to weigh the risk and benefits based on this info and their real life and proceed from there.
I know that, but none of that matters to the mommy martyr, woe is me, I can't do anything right, the world is conspiring against me crowd. I only follow along with these discussions for the entertainment value.
Now I haven't seen these recommendations, but I would be wary of pushing the science angle too heavily. Sure, it's better than nothing, but MANY treatment recommendations are based on only the slimmest shred of evidence. I'm talking about recommendations for things like asthma, HIV, and the like. You'd think things would be more straightforward, but once you look at the studies, they actually aren't. Still doesn't mean people should be weeping and crying over it though. Everyone should just get a grip, basically.
This feels like the appropriate place for my cosleeping confession. I would still have DS (3yo) sleeping with me if I had my sad codependent way. Dh made me give him the boot to his own room at 5 months. He slept better, dh slept better and I was a wreck for a good six weeks. #alreadysavingfortherapy
My almost 5 year old is still in bed with me. Le sigh.
What was the study and why does sleeping in the room reduce the risk? Is just because the parents check on them more often?
The article annoyed me because it didn't give any specifics and I am curious of their findings, do you have any insight?
It has to do with moderating their breathing and heart rate. Babies feel/sense the parent(s) breathing and match it. It's thought that when they don't have that regulating heartbeat and breath sounds that babies don't always regulate well on their own. The more mature they become (i.e. 6 months, a year, so on), the less likely they are to stop self-regulating.
So why not make a white noise machine with these noises?
Also, I'm willing to bet that this is a shot-in-the-dark. Like, deaths happen less frequently when baby is roomed in for a year, so they are attempting to explain that. There's no real way to KNOW unless they did some kind of controlled study where half the babies were in the same room but were wearing earplugs, lol
It has to do with moderating their breathing and heart rate. Babies feel/sense the parent(s) breathing and match it. It's thought that when they don't have that regulating heartbeat and breath sounds that babies don't always regulate well on their own. The more mature they become (i.e. 6 months, a year, so on), the less likely they are to stop self-regulating.
So why not make a white noise machine with these noises?
Also, I'm willing to bet that this is a shot-in-the-dark. Like, deaths happen less frequently when baby is roomed in for a year, so they are attempting to explain that. There's no real way to KNOW unless they did some kind of controlled study where half the babies were in the same room but were wearing earplugs, lol
The idea of babies wearing earplugs is making me chuckle.
I don't really know the answer to your question. I wonder if it's more than just the noise and has more to do with the physical presence or energy. That sounds hokey, but I can kind of buy it. For the record, DS went to his room at 6 weeks and this next kid may not even last that long, so it's not like I'm some huge proponent of rooming in or co-sleeping.
I know that, but none of that matters to the mommy martyr, woe is me, I can't do anything right, the world is conspiring against me crowd. I only follow along with these discussions for the entertainment value.
Now I haven't seen these recommendations, but I would be wary of pushing the science angle too heavily. Sure, it's better than nothing, but MANY treatment recommendations are based on only the slimmest shred of evidence. I'm talking about recommendations for things like asthma, HIV, and the like. You'd think things would be more straightforward, but once you look at the studies, they actually aren't. Still doesn't mean people should be weeping and crying over it though. Everyone should just get a grip, basically.
What has the medical community recommended for me to hold on to? I can't do this on my own.
It is so odd to me that people get mad about this stuff. The purpose of the AAP is not to give realistic advice. It is to give the statistic ideal. I PROMISE you they know that babies don't all like to sleep flat on their backs.
And that's all well and good until this "statistic ideal" becomes pushed on exhausted new parents so that they can be told/implied they're shit parents if they don't comply.
It is so odd to me that people get mad about this stuff. The purpose of the AAP is not to give realistic advice. It is to give the statistic ideal. I PROMISE you they know that babies don't all like to sleep flat on their backs.
And that's all well and good until this "statistic ideal" becomes pushed on exhausted new parents so that they can be told/implied they're shit parents if they don't comply.
Too bad for anyone who is this fragile. Seriously. Obviously these people would be frazzled and persecuted either way, so who even cares?
Post by sparkythelawyer on Oct 25, 2016 15:42:31 GMT -5
I am becoming convinced that nobody that writes up and approves these AAP recommendations has ever actually birthed or cared for a newborn child of their own. Because if they did? They'd be reading some of this stuff and laughing their asses off.
My kid had ZERO interest in sleeping anywhere but on Mommy's chest on a reclining couch for the first three months. We even bought one of those co-sleeper things! She gave nary a fuck about it. She was ride or die for Mommy's chest. At about three months-ish, (so, six weeks after my 'generous' paid maternity leave") she finally took to the crib. With a snuza monitor. That loved to false alarm and sound as loud as fucking possible every time she wriggled it off of her diaper. That I maybe "accidentally" dropped in the bathtub right after her first birthday because otherwise my husband would have still wanted to use it. She had a small blanket once she could roll both ways. She's fine.
Glad to know the AAP would like to give me shit about about it, AND that hospitals have another reason to get rid of nurseries so that exhausted women who just gave birth can start that whole sleep deprivation thing asap!
I am becoming convinced that nobody that writes up and approves these AAP recommendations has ever actually birthed or cared for a newborn child of their own. Because if they did? They'd be reading some of this stuff and laughing their asses off.
My kid had ZERO interest in sleeping anywhere but on Mommy's chest on a reclining couch for the first three months. We even bought one of those co-sleeper things! She gave nary a fuck about it. She was ride or die for Mommy's chest. At about three months-ish, (so, six weeks after my 'generous' paid maternity leave") she finally took to the crib. With a snuza monitor. That loved to false alarm and sound as loud as fucking possible every time she wriggled it off of her diaper. That I maybe "accidentally" dropped in the bathtub right after her first birthday because otherwise my husband would have still wanted to use it. She had a small blanket once she could roll both ways. She's fine.
Glad to know the AAP would like to give me shit about about it, AND that hospitals have another reason to get rid of nurseries so that exhausted women who just gave birth can start that whole sleep deprivation thing asap!
Sorry can't help myself, im going to repeat what I said on CEP:
Considering 60% of pediatricians are women, I don't think that they are out of touch with the reality of newborns themselves. Plus, in general pediatricians are nice people and not assholes that don't genuinely care about the big picture.
They do have policies on family leave.
I think if evidence supports these practices as being safer then it would be negligent to not suggest them as recommendations.
There are plenty of medical recommendations that are inconvenient and unrealistic for some such as get 8 hours of sleep, eat a plant based diet, exercise 150 minutes per week, keep your BMI under 30, etc, but it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be recommended if evidence suggests those are the most beneficial for health and safety.
Recommendations are just that and then they should be discussed individually. A good practitioner will provide individual advice in a realistic manner that takes the recommendations in to account.
Also it's kind of laugh worthy and offensive at the same time that people think that 1 pediatrician came up with idea and now it's a recommendation.
They haven't updated their recommendations since 2011. It's not like 1 person just came up with this idea out of the blue and they adopted it right away.
Also if you read the link released by the AAP (and not a summary from a news channel that most likely doesn't include the whole story) it says "we don't want to scare parents and doctors should have non-judgemental conversations with their patients."
So the idea that pediatricians are just giving out recommendations all willy nilly with no evidence and just want to make parents lives difficult is ridiculous.
Post by underwaterrhymes on Oct 25, 2016 19:49:15 GMT -5
They talked about this on NPR this morning.
I wish I could find the exact article because they spoke with a pediatrician who acknowledged that her own kids were in their own rooms by around eight weeks, but that there was scientific reasoning behind the new guidelines.
They also asked her about the feasibility of it given the short length of time so many parents have off here in the US and how sleep gets better for everyone when the baby has its own room.
This one is longer and doesn't address the parental leave issue, but does acknowledge that not only is it hard for many to keep their babies in the parents' bedrooms, but also that a lot of parents cosleep out of necessity.
They also stress the importance of pediatricians not shaming the parents and engaging in open conversation.