Luvvie v. KK v Stacey

[barcelonagirl]

Is anyone up on the drama between Luvvie and KK and Stacey Patton?

I don't follow KK but I like Luvvie and Stacey Patton and the fact that the friends in my head have conflict is bothering me lol

What happened?

[barcelonagirl]

Apr 12, 2017 7:28:44 GMT -5 @barefootbarista said:

hmm, so I found this

blackandblewish.com/2017/04/11/when-luv-turns-to-hate/

Thank you for this. I was trying to make sense of what happened from the comments on their pages.

[andwhat]

Apr 12, 2017 7:19:12 GMT -5 @barefootbarista said:

I don't even know who those other two bloggers are.

Link?

I was like what does Luvvie have to do with Kim Kardashian. All levels of confused.

[barcelonagirl]

Apr 12, 2017 7:48:00 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Apr 12, 2017 7:19:12 GMT -5 @barefootbarista said:

I don't even know who those other two bloggers are.

Link?

I was like what does Luvvie have to do with Kim Kardashian. All levels of confused.

Kinfolk Kollective lol

[iammalcolmx]

I skimmed last night but am I correct as Luvvie going in on light-skinned Black activists saying they are trying to over compensate for their lack of color? If that is the case, I am done with her.

[barcelonagirl]

Apr 12, 2017 8:20:09 GMT -5 iammalcolmx said:

I skimmed last night but am I correct as Luvvie going in on light-skinned Black activists saying they are trying to over compensate for their lack of color? If that is the case, I am done with her.

racebaitr.com/2017/04/11/luvvie-and-the-digital-intelligentsia-i-dont-trust/#

[barcelonagirl]

Apr 12, 2017 9:05:08 GMT -5 cubed said:

Apr 12, 2017 8:20:09 GMT -5 iammalcolmx said:

I skimmed last night but am I correct as Luvvie going in on light-skinned Black activists saying they are trying to over compensate for their lack of color? If that is the case, I am done with her.

Yep. I am surprised and quite disappointed that she went down that path. 

"And what’s interesting is, a lot of the most CAPS CAPS CAPSing “activists” out here are of mixed race descent. I just wanna tell them that they can chill. You don’t have to make up for the lack of melanin in your skin by always using your outside voice, even in situations that don’t warrant it. Tuck in your overcompensation. It’s like they’re performing Blackness based on anger, which is insulting."

So disappointed:(

[thejackpot]

I read Luvvie's post and I was so confused. I get not liking Shaun King because he's messy and too much but to come at all mixed race people. Just fuckery. I wonder what precipitated this tirade. It's rich how in one week she can condemn Dave Chappell and then write this.

[05heel]

Luvvie was all kinds of wrong and out of pocket for that post. I read the original FB thread, and it was chock full of white "allies" crying tears about not being able to speak, while gleefully tearing down black folks who dare to call them out on their BS. When you get white people lining up behind you to tear other black folks down, you should know you've done wrong.

I like Luvvie, but never thought she was ALL THAT, nor was her book. I think she should rethink a lot of what she said in that post. There was some truth, but she has just as much work to do on herself as anyone.

PLUS, she's a hypocrite, because she was just whining about not being paid for her work. Come on now.

The light-skinned/biracial shit was just so far beyond that it needs no comment.

[05heel]

I don't know why I'm so annoyed by her follow-up and refusal to back down either. Probably because she starts it by bashing black people AGAIN. Talking about, it's interesting that she only gets heated backlash from black folks. Girl, there are plenty of reasons for that. Does she even care about the words coming out of her mouth anymore? Her desperation for white approval is so distasteful and obvious. I'm way more disgusted than I should be by this. Lol.

[brandnewday]

I have been a long time Luvvie fan. This was more than disappointing.

I saw another person share her tweet from 2014 when she was going on about Afr. vs. Afr. Amer life. I think that upbringing shades a lot of her responses, as they should. I can say anecdotally that I have dealt with frustrations about the American Black experience vs. the African, particularly Nigerian experience. I have experienced some elitism when it comes to being African vs. black. It isn't across the board or all Africans that I've encountered, but more than I'd like.

I HATE that Luvvie went there with mixed race folks and echo other posters. Having gotten to know other multi-racial women recently with work it has been eye opening the amount of shit that we go through. I'm not saying this to compare struggles, but to acknowledge our own set of issues that come with multiple identities in this country.

[andwhat]

Apr 12, 2017 18:05:16 GMT -5 brandnewday said:

I have been a long time Luvvie fan. This was more than disappointing.

I saw another person share her tweet from 2014 when she was going on about Afr. vs. Afr. Amer life. I think that upbringing shades a lot of her responses, as they should. I can say anecdotally that I have dealt with frustrations about the American Black experience vs. the African, particularly Nigerian experience. I have experienced some elitism when it comes to being African vs. black. It isn't across the board or all Africans that I've encountered, but more than I'd like.

I HATE that Luvvie went there with mixed race folks and echo other posters. Having gotten to know other multi-racial women recently with work it has been eye opening the amount of shit that we go through. I'm not saying this to compare struggles, but to acknowledge our own set of issues that come with multiple identities in this country.

I feel you on the African v. African American thing. Her comments are not surprising because I have heard similar from Nigerians I work with.

But she should know just as fast as you rise, you can also fall. And I will always maintain that if white people are the only ones who agree with you on a race issue, you are probably on the wrong side.

[LLL]

Apr 12, 2017 18:05:16 GMT -5 brandnewday said:

I have been a long time Luvvie fan. This was more than disappointing.

I saw another person share her tweet from 2014 when she was going on about Afr. vs. Afr. Amer life. I think that upbringing shades a lot of her responses, as they should. I can say anecdotally that I have dealt with frustrations about the American Black experience vs. the African, particularly Nigerian experience. I have experienced some elitism when it comes to being African vs. black. It isn't across the board or all Africans that I've encountered, but more than I'd like.

I HATE that Luvvie went there with mixed race folks and echo other posters. Having gotten to know other multi-racial women recently with work it has been eye opening the amount of shit that we go through. I'm not saying this to compare struggles, but to acknowledge our own set of issues that come with multiple identities in this country.

There's definitely an interesting dialog there. I usually respect her perspective especially coming from a similar background, I read that piece though and was all 'Donald Glover' face. I thought it was too much and hypocritical all at the same time.

[oliviapope]

I honestly don't know how I missed this. I just read her follow up and had to go back and see where it started.

Not gonna lie, my feelings are hurt because it brings up everything I felt as a kid/teenager being biracial.

Sucks, I really liked her book and was looking forward to seeing how they turn it into a show.

[oliviapope]

Apr 13, 2017 6:23:31 GMT -5 @barefootbarista said:

medium.com/@luvvie/about-all-this-drama-and-whatnot-fcf0cc82936

Over-explaining for sure and she also didn't address her comments on mixed people. Unless the "some of y'all saw yourselves in my post" bullshit was her just doubling down on such an ignorant statement.

I was reading through the tweets people were posting. She stated once that she didn't know African Americans were slaves because she grew up with a driver. I feel like MAYBE you don't get to say what kind of voice biracial people get to have if you just caught up on history. Bitch.

[barcelonagirl]

Apr 13, 2017 6:23:31 GMT -5 @barefootbarista said:

medium.com/@luvvie/about-all-this-drama-and-whatnot-fcf0cc82936

I don't know how I feel about the explanation? It seems very PR spin.

"I was mad and I went vaguebooking and that's wack but I'm not perfect"

That would have been better!

[skwcm80]

I am typically a Luvvie fan, but her post is more than disappointing. Made worse by the fact that she is doubled and tripled down on her arguments instead of apologizing. And to not even address the comment about light skinned activists? How ignorant. 

[andwhat]

Did Luvvie edit the comments on that post or am I not reading enough of them, they all seem like praise for her diatribe.

[oliviapope]

Apr 13, 2017 8:53:15 GMT -5 andwhat said:

Did Luvvie edit the comments on that post or am I not reading enough of them, they all seem like praise for her diatribe.

The one posted from her personal page has praise for her but those are her actual friends.

On the Awesomely Luvvie page, she's still getting dragged.

[threejs]

I can't believe I missed all this. Going to catch up now. Something has rubbed me the wrong way about Luvvie for a minute now, tho.

[iammalcolmx]

I am reading the dragging right now and rather enjoying myself. So Luvvie has asked for Paypal donations as well?

[borinquen57]

Apr 13, 2017 12:20:18 GMT -5 threejs said:

I can't believe I missed all this. Going to catch up now. Something has rubbed me the wrong way about Luvvie for a minute now, tho.

I'm here too. Something has been getting on my nerves for a while now. I wonder what's going to happen with her future deals and such. I know she was working with Shonda Rhimes and she seems to kill careers when people start being messy...

[oliviapope]

She posted again, I guess the continued dragging got through to her?

"Hey everybody,

I hear you. It’s been a shitty week for me that has weighed heavily on my spirit. After days of checking my ego and having people who love me tell me the truth, I have recalibrated. I am not uncheckable. This week taught me a lot, about this platform I have, my responsibility and the expectations that come with it. The higher expectations. You expect more of me, and I let you down.

So here’s the deal. I should not have broadly generalized a whole group of my people based on a few people. My mixed race comment offended a bunch of you, and even though you weren’t the target, you got swept up in it. I’m sorry for that. That took a long time for me to understand. I wasn’t trying to call Blackness into question based on amount of melanin. Your Blackness is not for me to judge (well, unless you’re Rachel Dolezal. I will not claim her). To my mixed race and light skinned folks, I'm sorry I made you feel like I was questioning your Blackness. Your #BLAXIT passport was never revoked or in jeopardy. I love us. I LOVE us.

I’ve learned that my words have more impact than they used to have (you’d think that would be a DUH) but like I said. Moving forward, I’ll be more cognizant of the impact of my words.
It’s been a shitstorm. Biggest one I’ve faced yet. But I’m listening and growing from it. Besides, I wrote a book called “I’m Judging You: The Do-Better Manual.” I can be challenged to do better myself.

I hope y'all stop coming for my edges now, in the name of Jamaican Black Castor Oil."

[barcelonagirl]

Thank you. This unrest between my virtual besties was problematic for my soul.

[05heel]

Apr 14, 2017 18:25:53 GMT -5 @stilljustash said:

so she's listening and learning?

nah. I do not accept.

her job is literally words. she knew what she was saying, she didn't think she'd get quite the clapback she did, and someone in her crew told her she better knock herself down a peg or ten and apologize.

pass.

I hear you. What she tried was just too damn silly for me. A grown ass woman needing to make a public apology is not someone that I need to waste much time with. She said in her first non-apology that she hoped she could still be our "problematic fave." Sure, that sounds cute, but why would that even be necessary? What the fuck do I need a problematic fave for? I'm grown. I'm my own problematic fave.

[skwcm80]

Apr 14, 2017 18:25:53 GMT -5 @stilljustash said:

so she's listening and learning?

nah. I do not accept.

her job is literally words. she knew what she was saying, she didn't think she'd get quite the clapback she did, and someone in her crew told her she better knock herself down a peg or ten and apologize.

pass.

I know exactly the line in her apology that you're referring to because I thought, I guess she is  "listening and learning".

All the words in her apology are right, but it still feels hollow to me. I'm still side eyeing the shit out of her.

[oliviapope]

Ah, don't get me wrong; this all just some copy paste for me. I'm sensitive and hold a mean ass grudge. I'm just glad to see a directed apology towards the MANY biracial and multiracial fans she offende since she didn't even bother the first go round.

[thejackpot]

I just think she should have been too evolved to ever be that messy?Colorism at her age/ stage in life. It's just so vile.

[05heel]

Apr 15, 2017 7:21:21 GMT -5 thejackpot said:

I just think she should have been too evolved to ever be that messy?Colorism at her age/ stage in life. It's just so vile.

Seriously. You're a blogger who blogs about race. You had one job. There's no artistry or other product of your talent to fall back on if you mess up, so try not to act the fool.

[thejackpot]

Apr 15, 2017 8:45:12 GMT -5 05heel said:

Apr 15, 2017 7:21:21 GMT -5 thejackpot said:

I just think she should have been too evolved to ever be that messy?Colorism at her age/ stage in life. It's just so vile.

Seriously. You're a blogger who blogs about race. You had one job. There's no artistry or other product of your talent to fall back on if you mess up, so try not to act the fool.

YES! The only acceptable thing to do is say: I fucked up. I guess I am still battling some demons I didn't even think I was facing. There is no brown bag test, no acting white, no good hair etc etc. I was wrong.