Friday 6/9 Trump, Comey, Crazytown thread

[aliciaflorrick]

Jun 9, 2017 14:37:18 GMT -5 heat40 said:

It wouldn't surprise me at all if some sort of tape comes up. Except, they can't release now because post production hasn't completed.

Well played. Lol

[pixy0stix]

Jun 9, 2017 14:53:26 GMT -5 sofamonkey said:

Jun 9, 2017 14:39:32 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

So, he's said twice now that there are tapes. What happens if he's subpoenaed and there are no tapes produced? Since they're fake and all.

On this note, what happens if there WERE tapes, but he (or he had someone) destroyed them? What are the implications and/or ramifications of that?

Exactly. If he wasn't a slimy weasel, what would happen to him under normal circumstances?

[Deleted]

An actual insane person is the president. That's such a bummer.

[sangria]

Jun 9, 2017 14:53:26 GMT -5 sofamonkey said:

Jun 9, 2017 14:39:32 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

So, he's said twice now that there are tapes. What happens if he's subpoenaed and there are no tapes produced? Since they're fake and all.

On this note, what happens if there WERE tapes, but he (or he had someone) destroyed them? What are the implications and/or ramifications of that?

Now THAT is the fast track to OOJ charges.

[MrsAxilla]

Jun 9, 2017 14:53:26 GMT -5 sofamonkey said:

Jun 9, 2017 14:39:32 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

So, he's said twice now that there are tapes. What happens if he's subpoenaed and there are no tapes produced? Since they're fake and all.

On this note, what happens if there WERE tapes, but he (or he had someone) destroyed them? What are the implications and/or ramifications of that?

Well then you could add destruction of evidence to obstruction of justice and perjury.

[mbcdefg]

[WanderingWinoZ]

I don't really have a feeling either way on the existence of tapes....I wouldn't be surprised if he did & wouldn't be surprised if he's bluffing or if he did & they are destroyed.

The only surprising thing so far is that 1) Everybody is refusing to categorically deny the existence of them (are they continuing the bluff?? cause Comey done called them on it...) and 2) that those involved in installing it, operating it, keeping the recording device, and recordings haven't leaked or confirmed their existence.

maybe the russians left a listening device when they were there & the IC can get ahold of those! LOL

[pixy0stix]

Jun 9, 2017 15:02:59 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Jun 9, 2017 14:53:26 GMT -5 sofamonkey said:

On this note, what happens if there WERE tapes, but he (or he had someone) destroyed them? What are the implications and/or ramifications of that?

Well then you could add destruction of evidence to obstruction of justice and perjury.

Ok, but what happens if he can't produce the tapes? He never said he had them under oath.

[cous0226]

He has definitely recorded people in the past. They've been many reports on that. That was his business though. He doesn't care enough about the Presidency to record people. He cares about his business and money only so I doubt there are tapes plus there is no way someone on his staff wouldn't have leaked something like that as it effects them.

He never expected Comey to have memos so he is just doubling down on nothing cuz Comey trumped him.

[MixedBerryJam]

Jun 9, 2017 14:37:18 GMT -5 heat40 said:

It wouldn't surprise me at all if some sort of tape comes up. Except, they can't release now because post production hasn't completed.

r or it's inaudible and gibberish and he says, "See? Vindicated! "

[MixedBerryJam]

Jun 9, 2017 15:01:29 GMT -5 HRH Queen Dick I said:

An actual insane person is the president. That's such a bummer.

You're so wise it's turning me on. How's your posture?

[pixy0stix]

House Intel committee is asking for the tapes to be produced by June 23.

www.politico.com/story/2017/06/09/house-intelligence-committee-leaders-ask-white-house-for-any-comey-tapes-239366

[TR]

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

[mbcdefg]

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:09 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

House Intel committee is asking for the tapes to be produced by June 23.

www.politico.com/story/2017/06/09/house-intelligence-committee-leaders-ask-white-house-for-any-comey-tapes-239366

Any word on the repercussions (if any) if Trump refuses?

Is this a demand, or a "Gee if you have them we'd love to see them, if not it's totes cool" request?

Or "We HOPE you'll turn them over if you have them" and then there will be endless argument about what kind of weight "hope" carries.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jun 9, 2017 15:02:59 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Jun 9, 2017 14:53:26 GMT -5 sofamonkey said:

On this note, what happens if there WERE tapes, but he (or he had someone) destroyed them? What are the implications and/or ramifications of that?

Well then you could add destruction of evidence to obstruction of justice and perjury.

There would be no way to find this out though.

[sushi]

Jun 9, 2017 15:20:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:02:59 GMT -5 MrsAxilla said:

Well then you could add destruction of evidence to obstruction of justice and perjury.

Ok, but what happens if he can't produce the tapes? He never said he had them under oath.

Should he actually follow through (hahahaha) and go under oath (hahahaha) they could ask that very question. He's dumbly put himself into a catch 22.

If he says yes under oath, he'll have to produce them (hahahaha). If/when he doesn't, well, do they go down the route of perjury or obstruction/destruction? 

If he says no, they're not going to give up searching. If they find them, perjury, obstruction, destruction again. So, best case scenario for him, at least on this one issue, is he says no, and none are found, therefore he "just" lied on twitter. Wouldn't be the first time. Given his doubling down, I highly doubt he'd say no. 

My guess? He'll keep kicking that can. The tapes, taxes, improved visa vetting, shit, I can't count high enough for all the promises, will always be coming "soon." And he'll keep avoiding being under oath. 

[NewOrleans]

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5 TR said:

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

I fully expect this to happen. I really do.

[sushi]

Jun 9, 2017 16:03:21 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5 TR said:

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

I fully expect this to happen. I really do.

Of course. But, if he believes deleting tweets makes them disappear forever, he may not get that there are ways to catch splicing and editing. At least, according to my SVU and CSI understanding and my amateur dalliances in recording.

Back in actual tape days, I remember my dad splicing to edit recordings for time. Pretty much literally with a razor blade and scotch tape. We're not that rudimentary with digital, but there are tells. Shit, I can tell watching reality tv when there's a pieced together interview from voiceover or other conversations and that's just hearing through my tv.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jun 9, 2017 16:01:25 GMT -5 sushi said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:20:42 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Ok, but what happens if he can't produce the tapes? He never said he had them under oath.

Should he actually follow through (hahahaha) and go under oath (hahahaha) they could ask that very question. He's dumbly put himself into a catch 22.

If he says yes under oath, he'll have to produce them (hahahaha). If/when he doesn't, well, do they go down the route of perjury or obstruction/destruction? 

If he says no, they're not going to give up searching. If they find them, perjury, obstruction, destruction again. So, best case scenario for him, at least on this one issue, is he says no, and none are found, therefore he "just" lied on twitter. Wouldn't be the first time. Given his doubling down, I highly doubt he'd say no. 

My guess? He'll keep kicking that can. The tapes, taxes, improved visa vetting, shit, I can't count high enough for all the promises, will always be coming "soon." And he'll keep avoiding being under oath. 

This makes more sense.

[sporklemotion]

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5 TR said:

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

I mean, if he can pretend to be his own publicist, surely he can pretend to be Comey on a tape.

[sushi]

Jun 9, 2017 16:09:25 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5 TR said:

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

I see we are on the same wavelength. It sounds so insane to type out. But this is president dumb dumb.

Not just voice analysis. This is a few years old, but it's a decent primer for non-voice things they look at. Their numbers are for brit electricity, but the concept is the same (we're 60Hz ftr). 

www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20629671

So, generally speaking, there are non-voice stamps that we don't hear but can extract and analyze.

[sushi]

Jun 9, 2017 16:09:25 GMT -5 chilerellanos said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5 TR said:

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

I see we are on the same wavelength. It sounds so insane to type out. But this is president dumb dumb.

I see what you did

[mbcdefg]

Dummy.

[hopecounts]

Jun 9, 2017 15:56:44 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:09 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

House Intel committee is asking for the tapes to be produced by June 23.

www.politico.com/story/2017/06/09/house-intelligence-committee-leaders-ask-white-house-for-any-comey-tapes-239366

Any word on the repercussions (if any) if Trump refuses?

Is this a demand, or a "Gee if you have them we'd love to see them, if not it's totes cool" request?

Or "We HOPE you'll turn them over if you have them" and then there will be endless argument about what kind of weight "hope" carries.

Sounds like they are requesting not subpoenaing them so more the gee whiz.

They can escalate it to a subpoena on June 24th which should carry weight though actual legal consequences for the Pres are iffy.

The PR of ignoring a subpoena would be bad but if he hasn't confirmed their existence you could get around it if he keeps his twitter quiet.

[MixedBerryJam]

Jun 9, 2017 15:50:54 GMT -5 TR said:

What if they make fake tapes? Are we going to end up with dueling voice recognition experts?

My brain went here, too. They'd purposely make poor-quality tapes, so that they can say "See, here they are" but then we don't get anything meaningful from them. I imagine computer files have metadata like phone records do, and experts would debunk easily enough. But I'd tune in to that shitshow.

[bowies]

I think his people aren't commenting on the tapes because even they don't know and don't want to be held accountable on an answer. Assume some/most have consulted attorneys by now.

[mbcdefg]

N.Y. AG Schneiderman examining Eric Trump Foundation

www.politico.com/story/2017/06/09/eric-trump-foundation-new-york-attorney-general-eric-schneiderman-239358

New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is looking into allegations of self-dealing by the Eric Trump Foundation that were raised by a recent Forbes report.

Schneiderman was already investigating the Donald J. Trump Foundation for whether or not the president personally benefited from the fundraising efforts and spending of the foundation before the inauguration.

...

Forbes reported this week that it appears the Eric Trump Foundation shifted some money from a benefit for children with cancer at St. Jude's Hospital into the Trump Organization, a move that could run afoul of prohibitions against self-dealing on the part of charities.

[curbsideprophet]

Jun 9, 2017 16:23:25 GMT -5 hopecounts said:

Jun 9, 2017 15:56:44 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Any word on the repercussions (if any) if Trump refuses?

Is this a demand, or a "Gee if you have them we'd love to see them, if not it's totes cool" request?

Or "We HOPE you'll turn them over if you have them" and then there will be endless argument about what kind of weight "hope" carries.

Sounds like they are requesting not subpoenaing them so more the gee whiz.

They can escalate it to a subpoena on June 24th which should carry weight though actual legal consequences for the Pres are iffy.

The PR of ignoring a subpoena would be bad but if he hasn't confirmed their existence you could get around it if he keeps his twitter quiet.

I don't think he is capable of keeping his twitter quiet.

Given his past history I would not be surprised if there are tapes. I also would not be surprised if they tried to destroy them. He just needs confirmation the job is done before he says there are no tapes.

[mbcdefg]

LOLOLOLOL



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