Post by thatgirl2478 on Oct 18, 2017 20:28:12 GMT -5
Scenario:
A parent is walking with their 2 DD's ages 6 & 3. They meet up on the sidewalk with the neighbors who are walking their dog (a lab for what it's worth). The dog has previously been friendly AND has previously been insane, but seems friendly with both owners present at the time. Neither child approaches the dog, but the dog sniffs the oldest one and then 'aggressively sniffs' the youngest leading to her scream in pain. The parent picks her up to comfort her and she says 'He bit me!', a quick check in the light of a street lamp reveals red spots and a definite mark, but no blood. FWIW, DD was wearing a jacket and a tee shirt, so 2 layers.
Adult A, the one on the walk, doesn't want to report the bite because 'they're neighbors and it's not that bad' and 'they said he was vaccinated.'
Adult B, says the bite should be reported because it was unprovoked and there was no indication that he was going to bite.
Adult A. A reported bite can lead to quarantine and/or euthanasia for the dog depending on local laws and the dog’s history. I can’t speculate as to what happened in that situation, but if there was no blood, the dog was most likely giving a warning snap, not a bite. This probably means there were signs of discomfort that the dog’s owners should have picked up on. ETA: Red marks and a spot could also be a scratch which could be completely accidental.
Post by Captain Catnip on Oct 18, 2017 20:37:45 GMT -5
I'm not a child, but my neighbor's Boston terrier who is always nice and loveable was most likely over excited the other day and bit my hand. Did not break skin but I have a bruise about a half of an inch. I didn't report the bite.
In the end it's not our decision if you report it though.
I would only do B if I was absolutely positive that she was bit. But my kids have said a dog bit them when in reality the dog licked them. So, that's all I have to go on.
She was definitely bitten. She knows the difference. Save
Probably A, based on various factors, such as knowing the neighbor, the dog previously being nice, etc.
I can certainly see situations where I would report it, but likely would not in this one. That being said, I would damn sure be careful not to let my kids around that dog unsupervised and I would probably have a conversation with the neighbors that they need to be more careful about letting said dog "sniff" people or whatever it is that really took place.
eta: Also, I'm not saying either parent is right/wrong. I just agree *more* with A in this situation. I wouldn't blame you for reporting the bite.
A. My 5 year old has been known to say our dog bit him when she absolutely hasn’t - it can be when she has accidentally scratched him or bumped him too hard, or tried to grab a loose article of clothing to play, etc.
Adult A. A reported bite can lead to quarantine and/or euthanasia for the dog depending on local laws and the dog’s history. I can’t speculate as to what happened in that situation, but if there was no blood, the dog was most likely giving a warning snap, not a bite. This probably means there were signs of discomfort that the dog’s owners should have picked up on. ETA: Red marks and a spot could also be a scratch which could be completely accidental.
I believe in our state, if the dog has been vaccinated for rabies, they have to confine the dog to the house for 10 days and then take it to the Vet to be examined for rabies signs. If there is no record of vaccination, the dog has to stay @ the vets office for 10 days for observation, and if no rabies symptoms present, they get vaccinated.
There were NO warning signs (coming from an experienced dog owner) and it's definitely a bite vs a scratch . Save
Dogs who haven't been trained to treat humans with soft mouths (or naturally pick up on it, I guess- but, that's likely a rarity) can be pretty toothy when they do things like "excitedly sniff". I certainly question their good sense in letting a dog greet a child like that, but, from the description given, I doubt it was even a purposeful nip- just a big, dumb, excited dog that isn't gentle with his teeth (or possibly his nails).
I'm offended for the kiddo, I'd recommend you avoid the dog when the kids are around, but, I wouldn't waste any time with reports for this.
Post by Leeham Rimes on Oct 18, 2017 20:52:04 GMT -5
I don’t think I’d call over that if it was me in the situation but I’d probably cross the street if I saw the dog again.
I’ve had dogs nip me over the years, I’ve never called. My cousin’s dog was a real bastard, that stupid chihuahua hated everyone yet my cousin always brought it over to every family dinner. Stupid dog.
I don’t want to call right/wrong bc that’s more a judgment call than a flat one is right and the other isn’t.
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Dogs who haven't been trained to treat humans with soft mouths (or naturally pick up on it, I guess- but, that's likely a rarity) can be pretty toothy when they do things like "excitedly sniff". I certainly question their good sense in letting a dog greet a child like that, but, from the description given, I doubt it was even a purposeful nip- just a big, dumb, excited dog that isn't gentle with his teeth (or possibly his nails).
I'm offended for the kiddo, I'd recommend you avoid the dog when the kids are around, but, I wouldn't waste any time with reports for this.
FWIW, that doesn't look like a bite- it looks like a tooth/claw drag (which frankly, hurts plenty- so, she gets all the poor baby!! love from me. I bet he managed to scoot her shirt up a bit in that sniff fest which made for an easier scratch.
I don’t think I’d call over that if it was me in the situation but I’d probably cross the street if I saw the dog again.
I’ve had dogs nip me over the years, I’ve never called. My cousin’s dog was a real bastard, that stupid chihuahua hated everyone yet my cousin always brought it over to every family dinner. Stupid dog.
I don’t want to call right/wrong bc that’s more a judgment call than a flat one is right and the other isn’t.
I already do when *I'M* out around him...and I've warned my kids to do the same before. Obviously they understand now. Let's see if it sinks in long term.
There are plenty of other wonderful dogs in our 'hood. Why does THIS one have to live 2 doors down?! Save
FWIW, that doesn't look like a bite- it looks like a tooth/claw drag (which frankly, hurts plenty- so, she gets all the poor baby!! love from me. I bet he managed to scoot her shirt up a bit in that sniff fest which made for an easier scratch.
There were marks on the jacket too (not holes, but marks if that makes sense) and her shirt was ridiculously long because it's a 4 and she's wearing a 3T. The jacket is long too, so ...
I've had tooth drags from my dogs before, this is different than those
He's approached me with raised hackles before, I stay away.
Considering this, I'd be even more understanding if it was reported (and may have actually thought to report it myself).
First it's "raised hackles", then it's a minor "aggressive sniff" (sure looks like a bite to me!)...what about the next time? Maybe your kids know to stay away now, but do the other neighborhood kids know? The neighbors need to do something to make sure that this doesn't escalate further.
I don’t think I’d call over that if it was me in the situation but I’d probably cross the street if I saw the dog again.
I’ve had dogs nip me over the years, I’ve never called. My cousin’s dog was a real bastard, that stupid chihuahua hated everyone yet my cousin always brought it over to every family dinner. Stupid dog.
I don’t want to call right/wrong bc that’s more a judgment call than a flat one is right and the other isn’t.
Yeah, I know...
See, and I was bitten by a chihuahua too many MANY years ago. I DID call only because the owners were super evasive on the Rabies thing (I think there was a language barrier issue). Luckily the dog HAD been vaccinated and nothing happened. But I'm less than fond of chihuahua's now. Save
He's approached me with raised hackles before, I stay away. Save
I think the dog is young enough that it could almost be like a puppy snip. Especially if it were excitedly sniffing just prior. I wouldn't let my children around the dog any more, but I wouldn't report it. I'm sorry this happened. Is your daughter okay, emotionally?
I guess, you really need to figure out what your end game is. I can tell you that here? Dogs who have done irreversible damage to a child, dogs who are allowed out of their yards to attack people who are walking by, dogs who kill other people's pets repeatedly- get returned to their owners. It's just stupid. If you're convinced it was a bite, you're ready to deal with the mess this could bring (the neighbors don't sound like the most reasonable), and you think this will achieve what you want (these things vary a lot by city/county/state- sometimes even HOA!) I certainly don't begrudge you a report. She was definitely hurt, and I don't like people who let their dogs hurt others- especially 3yos.
He's approached me with raised hackles before, I stay away. Save
I think the dog is young enough that it could almost be like a puppy snip. Especially if it were excitedly sniffing just prior. I wouldn't let my children around the dog any more, but I wouldn't report it. I'm sorry this happened. Is your daughter okay, emotionally?
Seems to be. We'll see how she is in the morning.
We speculate that their dog smelled our dog on our clothes. The neighbors dog HATES our dog (which is weird because our dog is super laid back and never even interacts - no barking or anything - with the other dog). So maybe that triggered him? Who knows. Save
I personally wouldn't report...as I have a bruise from breaking up a dog situation from my own dogs (so grain of salt). IDK, pups nip. I don't think ONE nip is worth reporting. I would need to know background. I know here that would be an immediate euthanasia. Also, dogs don't always know how to behave around kids if they haven't been exposed. The dog could have been very defensive. Our dogs are huge compared to my 7 yo niece and 2 yo nephew. When they get eager (b/c they love kids but don't realize their size), we hold them back. Have you talked to the neighbors? What do they say? Dogs ( especially rescues) can be extremely nervous.
I guess, you really need to figure out what your end game is. I can tell you that here? Dogs who have done irreversible damage to a child, dogs who are allowed out of their yards to attack people who are walking by, dogs who kill other people's pets repeatedly- get returned to their owners. It's just stupid. If you're convinced it was a bite, you're ready to deal with the mess this could bring (the neighbors don't sound like the most reasonable), and you think this will achieve what you want (these things vary a lot by city/county/state- sometimes even HOA!) I certainly don't begrudge you a report. She was definitely hurt, and I don't like people who let their dogs hurt others- especially 3yos.
I know. I just ... don't know. Which sounds stupid, but I feel like one small incident could snowball to something bigger later. I don't think he'll be taken away. Maybe it'll make the owners more aware that their dog needs some more socialization training? But they say he's 'great at the dog park', so I doubt it. Luckily we don't have a relationship with them anyway except to wave & say Hi when we're out at the same time. It's a shitty situation for everyone. I don't know that reporting it is even going to DO anything. Save
See, and I was bitten by a chihuahua too many MANY years ago. I DID call only because the owners were super evasive on the Rabies thing (I think there was a language barrier issue). Luckily the dog HAD been vaccinated and nothing happened. But I'm less than fond of chihuahua's now. Save
Shitty quoting. But I don't think that's fair. ANY dog can bite if not properly trained. Eddie on Frasier? Jack Russell. Perfectly trained. My brother and exSIL had one who was a complete asshole and was inadvertently trained to like only my brother and exSIL so he would bite ANYONE else. Pit Bulls get a bad rap for this reason - shitty owner.
I think this is an owner problem (on both sides) not an aggressive dog issue.