Does anyone else think it's insane he's going to court for this? At 9?!
I think the school's punishment was appropriate, and certainly ground him for awhile. I also agree with trying to get to the bottom of why he did it.
I'm sorry. I have a 9 year old son who has gotten in his fair share of trouble (nothing with weapons yet, knock on wood), and it is so stressful. I've cried about it more times than I can count.
Yes, I'm having a problem with this. I have an 8 year old boy and bringing a pocket knife to school because you think it's neat sounds totally normal to me as far as boy behavior. Like, yes, we take it away and talk about it - but Police involvement? Come the fuck on.
That said, if it's a pattern, or he doesn't understand how serious it was - then escalation is appropriate. I'm not condoning the behavior AT ALL. But I still think involving police w/ 9 year olds is insane.
This is.... not the whole story. Did you read? He didn't bring it for show and tell.
Does anyone else think it's insane he's going to court for this? At 9?!
I think the school's punishment was appropriate, and certainly ground him for awhile. I also agree with trying to get to the bottom of why he did it.
I'm sorry. I have a 9 year old son who has gotten in his fair share of trouble (nothing with weapons yet, knock on wood), and it is so stressful. I've cried about it more times than I can count.
Yes, I'm having a problem with this. I have an 8 year old boy and bringing a pocket knife to school because you think it's neat sounds totally normal to me as far as boy behavior. Like, yes, we take it away and talk about it - but Police involvement? Come the fuck on.
That said, if it's a pattern, or he doesn't understand how serious it was - then escalation is appropriate. I'm not condoning the behavior AT ALL. But I still think involving police w/ 9 year olds is insane.
But it wasn't just a child showing off a pocket knife. He threatened another child.
Does anyone else think it's insane he's going to court for this? At 9?!
I think the school's punishment was appropriate, and certainly ground him for awhile. I also agree with trying to get to the bottom of why he did it.
I'm sorry. I have a 9 year old son who has gotten in his fair share of trouble (nothing with weapons yet, knock on wood), and it is so stressful. I've cried about it more times than I can count.
Yes, I'm having a problem with this. I have an 8 year old boy and bringing a pocket knife to school because you think it's neat sounds totally normal to me as far as boy behavior. Like, yes, we take it away and talk about it - but Police involvement? Come the fuck on.
That said, if it's a pattern, or he doesn't understand how serious it was - then escalation is appropriate. I'm not condoning the behavior AT ALL. But I still think involving police w/ 9 year olds is insane.
But he didn't just bring it to school and say, "Look how cool this gadget is!" He said to another child, "What are you going to do? I have a knife." Very different circumstances. I would agree that if he just brought it bc he thought it was a neat tool, involving the police would be overboard, but that's not the case here.
Does anyone else think it's insane he's going to court for this? At 9?!
I think the school's punishment was appropriate, and certainly ground him for awhile. I also agree with trying to get to the bottom of why he did it.
I'm sorry. I have a 9 year old son who has gotten in his fair share of trouble (nothing with weapons yet, knock on wood), and it is so stressful. I've cried about it more times than I can count.
Yes, I'm having a problem with this. I have an 8 year old boy and bringing a pocket knife to schoolbecauseyou thinkit'sneatsoundstotallynormal to me as far as boy behavior. Like, yes, we take it away and talk about it - but Police involvement? Come the fuck on.
That said, if it's a pattern, or he doesn't understand how serious it was - then escalation is appropriate. I'm not condoning the behavior AT ALL. But I still think involving police w/ 9 year olds is insane.
My kid is almost 9 and since preschool, the school has taught kids that 'no weapons' are allowed at school. How do I know that? Because he told me. They can't even bring in pretend weapons to go with Halloween costumes. I would be really surprised if any 9 year old wouldn't know that.
Ok, yeah this is true. My son was scolded by a substitute teacher for making a gun shape with his FINGERS and he wasn't even doing it to BE A GUN. We had a long talk about how schools take this very seriously for a very serious reason and he needed to take the no weapons policy seriously too.
what?
How do these two thoughts come together in your head?
Yes, I'm having a problem with this. I have an 8 year old boy and bringing a pocket knife to schoolbecauseyou thinkit'sneatsoundstotallynormal to me as far as boy behavior. Like, yes, we take it away and talk about it - but Police involvement? Come the fuck on.
That said, if it's a pattern, or he doesn't understand how serious it was - then escalation is appropriate. I'm not condoning the behavior AT ALL. But I still think involving police w/ 9 year olds is insane.
Ok, yeah this is true. My son was scolded by a substitute teacher for making a gun shape with his FINGERS and he wasn't even doing it to BE A GUN. We had a long talk about how schools take this very seriously for a very serious reason and he needed to take the no weapons policy seriously too.
what?
How do these two thoughts come together in your head?
Yes, I'm having a problem with this. I have an 8 year old boy and bringing a pocket knife to schoolbecauseyou thinkit'sneatsoundstotallynormal to me as far as boy behavior. Like, yes, we take it away and talk about it - but Police involvement? Come the fuck on.
That said, if it's a pattern, or he doesn't understand how serious it was - then escalation is appropriate. I'm not condoning the behavior AT ALL. But I still think involving police w/ 9 year olds is insane.
Ok, yeah this is true. My son was scolded by a substitute teacher for making a gun shape with his FINGERS and he wasn't even doing it to BE A GUN. We had a long talk about how schools take this very seriously for a very serious reason and he needed to take the no weapons policy seriously too.
what?
How do these two thoughts come together in your head?
Because I have a 2nd grade boy?
I'm not saying whoop de doo bring knives to school. I'm saying the punishment should be appropriate for the age of the offender and this is a little boy. I spend 700 hours a day telling my kids to stop aiming nerf guns at me. I don't automatically jump to he needs therapy and was planning to stab someone. Take the rules seriously, but we don't need ot jump to the 9 year old is a sociopath or anything.
How do these two thoughts come together in your head?
Because I have a 2nd grade boy?
I'm not saying whoop de doo bring knives to school. I'm saying the punishment should be appropriate for the age of the offender and this is a little boy. I spend 700 hours a day telling my kids to stop aiming nerf guns at me. I don't automatically jump to he needs therapy and was planning to stab someone. Take the rules seriously, but we don't need ot jump to the 9 year old is a sociopath or anything.
I WONDER why all these boys grow into men who think the world owes them everything and they can just take what they want without repercussions. Hmmm ... it's a head scratcher all right
Post by cookiemdough on Nov 17, 2017 12:45:45 GMT -5
Nobody said sociopath. They suggested counseling to understand if something more is going on. But thanks for proving that the burden is on the schools because clearly there are parents who seem to think weapons in school is a-ok. And sorry school is just the starting point in life of learning rules and understanding consequences. 9 and 10 year olds know the rules. Sometimes they understand the consequences and sometimes they need to experience them to understand. I prefer they get this lesson before someone gets hurt.
Also you seem to underestimate the psychological impact on other kids who know, “hey Johnny has a knife”. Maybe Johnny makes comments that would take on a different meaning to a child who knows he has access to weapons and lacks the discretion to not bring them to school. Sorry, little Johnny needs to keep that home.
Nobody said sociopath. They suggested counseling to understand if something more is going on. But thanks for proving that the burden is on the schools because clearly there are parents who seem to think weapons in school is a-ok. And sorry school is just the starting point in life of learning rules and understanding consequences. 9 and 10 year olds know the rules. Sometimes they understand the consequences and sometimes they need to experience them to understand. I prefer they get this lesson before someone gets hurt.
Also you seem to underestimate the psychological impact on other kids who know, “hey Johnny has a knife”. Maybe Johnny makes comments that would take on a different meaning to a child who knows he has access to weapons and lacks the discretion to not bring them to school. Sorry, little Johnny needs to keep that home.
I don't think it's ok. If my kid was threatened with a knife I'd be fucking pissed and want the kid punished. FFS. I'm just saying kids are stupid. I'm clearly in the minority here.
I clearly live in a sheltered bubble and am viewing this incident through the very innocent eyes of the little kids I know rather than the reality of what 9 and 10 year olds are capable of.
Nobody said sociopath. They suggested counseling to understand if something more is going on. But thanks for proving that the burden is on the schools because clearly there are parents who seem to think weapons in school is a-ok. And sorry school is just the starting point in life of learning rules and understanding consequences. 9 and 10 year olds know the rules. Sometimes they understand the consequences and sometimes they need to experience them to understand. I prefer they get this lesson before someone gets hurt.
Also you seem to underestimate the psychological impact on other kids who know, “hey Johnny has a knife”. Maybe Johnny makes comments that would take on a different meaning to a child who knows he has access to weapons and lacks the discretion to not bring them to school. Sorry, little Johnny needs to keep that home.
I don't think it's ok. If my kid was threatened with a knife I'd be fucking pissed and want the kid punished. FFS. I'm just saying kids are stupid. I'm clearly in the minority here.
Kids can make stupid decisions but they don’t learn anything if we normalize certain behaviors. Weapons should not be treated like sneaking in a cellphone to school.
How do these two thoughts come together in your head?
I'm here. This poster reminds me of the lauren chick who talked about BJ's at the dinner table. What a loon.
That's a pretty serious leap? Geez. I don't recall being weird or anyone mentioning me before. I'm basically a lurker who randomly posts when I"m bored. As far as "contradicting myself"... I had an initial reaction, then I read the comments, then I realized my initial reaction probably didn't take into account the entirety of the situation and I conceded that I saw why people took it seriously. Does that make me crazy? or just a lady about to go on my lunch break who is half heartedly participating in a thread?
Personally I'm glad the police were called into this. Children need to realize the gravity of threatening someone or implying that they need to keep quiet about reporting things.
Personal story: When DS#2 was still in grade school (4th or 5th grade) on a Monday morning he inadvertently brought a pocketknife to school. The day before he had been whittling on the back porch and stuck the closed knife into his jacket pocket, promptly forgetting about it. While at school the next day, he realized he still had it on him. He promptly went into the office and self-reported himself. The knife was confiscated, he was talked to, and the school let us know what had happened. I'm really proud of him that he took the initiative to report it rather than showing it off to schoolmates or whatever other types of shenanigans that kids do at school.
I'm cognizant that this doesn't help the OP, but it does go to show kids are perfectly capable of making the right choice even in grade school.
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I'm finding it super weird that there are posters that feel police involvement is overkill. If my kid ever threatened someone with a weapon I would fully support police involvement to help drive home the gravity of the situation.
Yes, my child would be in MAJOR trouble at home, but I'm on my kid's case all the time. I think the police being involved would help them understand just how dangerous their actions were. Plus reinforce that this behavior will lead to more consequences than privileges being revoked at home.
Also you full well know if their precious was threatened, they would be going all burn it down
Right?!
‘If my kid threatened another kid with a knife then just say ‘no no no bad kid...okay go back to class you precious little angel’ but if some kid threatened my kid with a knife well anything less than 20 years in prison is unacceptable. ‘
State law prohibits weapons on school grounds here- law enforcement is going to be involved. It's not optional.
I guess my "not a boyscout mom" is showing, but, my kids don't need pocketknives. Their parents don't need pocketknives. I guess I'm fucked (in more than one way*) if I find myself in the middle of an "airsoft war" in the woods.
Post by killercupcake on Nov 17, 2017 14:11:55 GMT -5
And honestly, the police involvement sounds minor and probably the best step.
Bringing a weapon to school goes to automatic referral for expulsion in my district. Bring a knife? Gun? Airsoft gun? Expulsion recommendation. No questions asked.
Post by followyourarrow on Nov 17, 2017 14:19:51 GMT -5
These people saying that getting the police involved is overkill are going to be the same ones wondering why someone didn't do anything or say anything before a major incident like a school shooting occurs. I'm not saying OP's son is going to do something like that, but I'm glad the police were involved and that the situation is being taken seriously as should all situations like this.
We have kids killing other kids kids in their own schools. A place where every single fucking kid should feel safe. All high schoolers were once 9. Nine year olds that could’ve gotten the shit scared out of them and not shot up a school. End of story.
Post by themysteriouswife on Nov 17, 2017 14:51:08 GMT -5
I keep opening this post the closing it.
My child was physically bullied in the second grade. We had police reports and school board documentation. The bully went as far as threatening to stab DD. She held DD by the head and did the slitting throat motion.
Fuck every one of you who is saying this is normal behavior. This child threatened another living being. This child knew a knife at school was wrong. He deserves more than one day suspension and a court date.
How do these two thoughts come together in your head?
Because I have a 2nd grade boy?
I'm not saying whoop de doo bring knives to school. I'm saying the punishment should be appropriate for the age of the offender and this is a little boy. I spend 700 hours a day telling my kids to stop aiming nerf guns at me. I don't automatically jump to he needs therapy and was planning to stab someone. Take the rules seriously, but we don't need ot jump to the 9 year old is a sociopath or anything.
Honestly the schools have to take it seriously bc parents such as you don’t. You make excuses and wave it off. He’s 9, he’s a boy, he doesn’t listen to me either.
My kids got their nerf guns thrown away bc they wouldn’t stop aiming it at me/people. They don’t listen, there is a price to pay. Sometimes it’s a hefty price tag
Bending yourself into a pretzel to normalize this behavior does nobody any favors and only harms your own kid.
Rules are rules and they should apply to everyone. Teaching them that their decisions aren’t their fault is insanity to me.
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I am sorry you are dealing with this. How awful for you.
I am generally always the first to suggest a psychologist, and I'm sure it wouldn't hurt here, but it might be an over-reaction to pretty typical and age appropriate bad decision making. IME, and I have spent hundreds of hours with hundreds of boys in scouting over the years, this is pretty typical tween braggadocio.
I know a lot of kids who were really into knives at that age. Collected them, brought them along to forbidden places much as some kids shoplift as sport. They tended to be really nice kids- really bright, too- but were often smaller than their peers or less physically mature. To a man, they all grew up to be decent and responsible human beings.
I wasn't there, but it feels like he didn't lunge at the rule-boy with the knife, he just had a cocky comeback. Unfortunately schools and police take a zero tolerance approach to a 2" pocket knife a mom would leave out where a kid could find it as they would a KA-BAR. So, I expect you'll go through the motions with the courts which will be quite the teaching moment. I wouldn't punish further, but we would be discussing.
I would absolutely not turn to the school psychologist for a number of reasons. For one thing, most are not trained as clinical psychologists- they are often Master's level individuals who are in place because of IDEA's special education mandates- they're in schools to evaluate for educational need and oversee IEPs. Plus, if there is some sort of mental health issue with your son that led to this behavior (and I would bet there isn't), you might not want to be sharing that with the school district. Your pediatrician can refer you to a clinic or private practice.
Good luck.
So trust her the boy scout aficionado but screw the lowly master's level school psychologist because they aren't experienced. LOL
It scares the crap out of me that people would be selfish enough to hide serious mental health issues with schools. Safety is #1 priority. School counselors and psychologists are trained to work with kids in a school setting. If I don't know what is going on with a kid and how they are being treated outside of school it is extremely hard for me to support them inside of school in the most professional way.
Signed, a lowly school counselor with "only" a masters degree
Honestly the schools have to take it seriously bc parents such as you don’t. You make excuses and wave it off. He’s 9, he’s a boy, he doesn’t listen to me either.
My kid’s got their nerf guns thrown away bc they wouldn’t stop aiming it at me/people. They don’t listen, there is a price to pay. Sometimes it’s a hefty price tag
Bending yourself into a pretzel to normalize this behavior does nobody any favors and only harms your own kid.
Rules are rules and they should apply to everyone. Teaching them that their decisions aren’t their fault is insanity to me.
I’m dying at the thought that my kid would still have a nerf gun if he kept shooting it at me AFTER I told him to stop. I would load the nerf gun and shoot every last nerf in the fucking trash can.
The disrespect. I can’t even imagine.
My kids know I don’t fuck around. I have zero tolerance for disrespect bc ifnthey do it to me, and get away with it, they’ll be a problem for everyone. I’m not unleashing assholes into society.
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I need ham like water Like breath, like rain I need ham like mercy From Heaven's gate Sometimes ham salad or casserole or ham that’s free range, all natural I need ham
Why is this thread so annoying? I had a nice, healthy lunch and everything, so I can’t even blame hunger and grab a snack.
Probably because we’ve entered the portion of the program where everyone has to share an anecdote that illustrates their superior parenting skills. No.one.cares. For the 1,000th time.