Post by omgzombies on Nov 17, 2017 12:52:54 GMT -5
I don't think this has been posted (I've been keeping up with the thread, but I might have missed it). It's his full apology statement. I'm not will to accept the apology until he voluntarily steps down, but it's leaps and bounds better than his initial response to reporters.
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
I've seen that around but my impression is it's all true and Bannon just found out and is using it or coordinated it coming out. Though why he tells Stone anything is a mystery to me.
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
I've also seen the photographer states it was staged - she was fake-sleeping and he was supposed to "wake her up" as well as "she posted for Playboy."
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
I've seen that around but my impression is it's all true and Bannon just found out and is using it or coordinated it coming out. Though why he tells Stone anything is a mystery to me.
Yep. I believe the allegations but I also think the timing is intended to distract from and weaken the argument against Roy Moore. The Russian bots pushing this on Twitter bolster that theory. However, it can be both true and being used as a political maneuver. I think we're going to see a lot more of this unfortunately, at the expense of the victims. No one is doing it for their sake or to really "clean house" so to speak.
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
I've seen that around but my impression is it's all true and Bannon just found out and is using it or coordinated it coming out. Though why he tells Stone anything is a mystery to me.
Same. That it's true, but that the alt-right coordinated its release, and that's why Franken wants the ethics investigation - because he wants everything under oath. I still think he should resign.
I have no doubt Bannon would like to exploit this in every way he can. The best way to head that off at the pass is to treat it seriously and respond like adults instead of engaging in Bannon-level nonsense.
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
I've seen that around but my impression is it's all true and Bannon just found out and is using it or coordinated it coming out. Though why he tells Stone anything is a mystery to me.
Pretty sure Stone has the direct lines to the Russian bots and trolls, and can release them on Twitter to make the story go viral immediately. Isn't he friends with Assange? He knew about Podesta in advance, and the Russians were al over that.
And Russia is all over this. Yesterday, I checked the bot-monitoring website here:
Al Franken was topping the charts. He's still there, but lower in rankings today. George Takei was blowing up the charts over the weekend, way worse than the Franken stats, actually. (I don't think there is a way to check historical views, so you will just have to take my word for it.)
Obviously Franken did what he was alleged to have done, is gross, and needs to resign. But there are some ugly, powerful men trying to manipulate it to suit their agenda, and that fact should not be lost.
So is everyone seeing the info about how this is a conspiracy with Bannon? Stone knew about this before it dropped? Accuser works for a conservative radio station?
I've also seen the photographer states it was staged - she was fake-sleeping and he was supposed to "wake her up" as well as "she posted for Playboy."
Me Too. And people who I (formerly) respected have retweeted a couple of them. Cuz only the right can be called gross for “victim blaming” dontchaknow?😕
I am a Democrat because I am a feminist who lives under a two-party system, where one party consistently votes against the interests of women while the other sometimes does not.
I am a realist who recognizes that we get two viable choices, and Democrats are members of the only party positioned to pump the brakes on Republicans’ gleeful race toward Atwoodian dystopia.
Sexual harassment and assault are simply too widespread for Democrats to respond to Franken’s offense with only Franken in mind: We need to respond in a way that helps us develop a protocol for meaningful change.
If I believed for one second that Franken is the only Democrat in the Senate who has done something like this, with or without photographic evidence, I would see that as the best and most appropriate option. But in the world we actually live in, I’m betting that there will be more. And more after that. And they won’t all come from states with Democratic governors and a deep bench of progressive replacements. Some will, if ousted, have their successors chosen by Republicans.
Her recommendations on how he can 'make it up' to women are pretty good as well.
Post by turnipthebeet on Nov 17, 2017 15:57:45 GMT -5
I'm not quite ready to call for him to resign. I'm also not a member of the constituency that elected him, and I think they are the ones that should either call for his resignation or not. However, I'll be reluctant if he ends up on the presidential ballot.
I'm not quite ready to call for him to resign. I'm also not a member of the constituency that elected him, and I think they are the ones that should either call for his resignation or not. However, I'll be reluctant if he ends up on the presidential ballot.
Do you feel this way about Roy Moore? People of Alabama have ultimate say?
I'm not quite ready to call for him to resign. I'm also not a member of the constituency that elected him, and I think they are the ones that should either call for his resignation or not. However, I'll be reluctant if he ends up on the presidential ballot.
Do you feel this way about Roy Moore? People of Alabama have ultimate say?
I do. If no one can or is willing to force him off the ballot, then it’s up to the people of Alabama not to show their asses in the booth.
I'm not quite ready to call for him to resign. I'm also not a member of the constituency that elected him, and I think they are the ones that should either call for his resignation or not. However, I'll be reluctant if he ends up on the presidential ballot.
Do you feel this way about Roy Moore? People of Alabama have ultimate say?
If they want him, after everything that has come out about him, then what else would you do?
I still come back to the 53%. Are they outraged? Are dems going to sit home again? Or on Dec 13, are we going to see more of the same from 2016?
JFC. I just had a fellow food truck owner post some fucking nonsense about the "other side" he was referring to in anther post. There's video of Tweeden wrapping her leg around Robin Williams and kissing him. This was sexual assault to him and the clickbait site that posted it. Apparently there must be physical contact and consent doesn't matter one iota. I'm sure Louis C.K. will be thrilled. Thanks for the man-splaining.
And now he's angry that I said man-splaining. I need more wine. Damn. I'm trying not to react and unfriend him because it's a small world. But fuck, I'm having a hard time.
- isolated - he apologized sincerely - she’s a trump voter - she’s a Russian plot - the whole thing was staged - she is just trying to sell books - Trump and Moore are worse
we are so fucked if this is what the Dems tell themselves.
I thought it was cute that all the liberals thought it was just an isolated incident.
H and I were talking about this yesterday. Waiting for the rest of the people to come out with their stories, because if you're the kind of man who writes a script that forces a woman to kiss you when she doesn't want to do so, then chances are you are the kind of man who's done it more than once.
- isolated - he apologized sincerely - she’s a trump voter - she’s a Russian plot - the whole thing was staged - she is just trying to sell books - Trump and Moore are worse
we are so fucked if this is what the Dems tell themselves.
You summed up what I saw as well. The mental gymnastics and hypocrisy are INFURIATING.
Post by runforrest on Nov 20, 2017 13:38:16 GMT -5
I hate all men right now. The spin/explanations/excuses I heard from men in my own life was enough for me to want to cut off ties with all of them. I literally had to explain power/consent to some of them regarding Louis CK and Al Franken. How can so many of these assholes just see so much of this stuff as "a joke"?
- isolated - he apologized sincerely - she’s a trump voter - she’s a Russian plot - the whole thing was staged - she is just trying to sell books - Trump and Moore are worse
we are so fucked if this is what the Dems tell themselves.
You forgot -she posed for Playboy -she groped a bass player's ass -she sexually assaulted Robin Williams -nobody saw it/the tent was open in the back and somebody would have seen it (re: second complaint)