So DH got a new job in Feb. He is a *removed for privacy*. It was a salary bump but the benefits have been less than great. For instance he has a ER visit and we have $3k medical bill I have to make payments on. Plus he only got 2 weeks of PTO.
He was not looking to move anytime soon but a job came open in his previous market. They are recruiting him hardcore. His previous market is very specific and finding someone to fill that is difficult and he was a golden child and well known. They are creating a specific shiny package for him that with another bump in pay plus likely more vacation. They are bringing him in for a in person interview/package discussion soon.
I am struggling with this a little. I think it could hurt his career if he takes it. He committed to his new company and I thought he liked his new job. But I think he misses his old market.
So I guess my question have you ever taken a new job after less than a year? Could this hurt his career?
Without a whole backstory: based on the lack of loyalty I've witnessed from employers in the current climate, I think I'd do it if he feels confident he'd be staying there for a long while.
What does the rest of his job history look like? If this isn't a pattern, and he thinks the new job would be a better fit and that he'd be happier (with better benefits) - I don't think one change like this would hurt. Life's too short to not at least enjoy where you spend the better portion of your days.
2 weeks of PTO for a Software Engineering *Manager* role... that's crap, and frankly his company should reflect on why they might lose good resources if they're going to be stingy like that. I would expect minimum 3 weeks, if not more (especially if that's to be used for sick AND vacation) based on how long he's been doing work like this.
I'd keep interviewing and see where things go. It sounds like his current job isn't the best fit for a number of reasons and it sounds like he would want to stay at the new company for a while if he gets an offer. As long as he doesn't plan to leave again in six months I don't see it as a problem.
I don't see this as a big deal at all. As long as it isn't a pattern, sometimes people figure out something isn't the right fit and it's better for everyone to move on. Companies are not loyal to people, so I don't think one should sacrifice their own goals on behalf of a company either.
Post by lemoncupcake on Aug 15, 2018 10:39:52 GMT -5
Ditto the PP who said that it’s not a concern unless it becomes a pattern. It sounds like he has a lot of reasons he could list about why he only stayed a short while that any future interviewer would understand.
So he had 11 years at company a, less then a year at company b, and then would go to company c? Totally fine!! Especially since he's being recruited. It wouldnt be hard to explain that transition at all IMO.
I guess I need to lighten up. I feel like he is cheating on his company or something. I never considered or really had the opportunity to switch jobs. Usually I stay for 3 years before I consider moving on.
He is having lunch with his x-Employee from Job A and which now is at Job C. He would be his manager again if he took the job. DH was more of a mentor to him. Hopefully he can gather more details. They are not interviewing anybody else.
I guess I need to lighten up. I feel like he is cheating on his company or something. I never considered or really had the opportunity to switch jobs. Usually I stay for 3 years before I consider moving on.
He is having lunch with his x-Employee from Job A and which now is at Job C. He would be his manager again if he took the job. DH was more of a mentor to him. Hopefully he can gather more details. They are not interviewing anybody else.
Don't fall into the trap of being more loyal to the company than they are to you. They would let him go in an instant if it served their needs. Also, if the benefits suck, that's a risk they take and shows how much they value their employees (which is not much).
Given his history, this is not a big deal at all! If he is being recruited with a better package, better benefits, and is in a feel he *wants* to go back to, it would be dumb to turn it down! Good luck to him!
Post by dutchgirl678 on Aug 15, 2018 11:15:40 GMT -5
To me, that definitely sounds like an opportunity that he shouldn't pass up. As others have said, the company would not be as loyal to him as he is to them. He needs to think of his own happiness. If he is talking to someone he used to work with and who will be his manager, and they are not interviewing anyone else and they really want him, then he should go for it!
I guess I need to lighten up. I feel like he is cheating on his company or something. I never considered or really had the opportunity to switch jobs. Usually I stay for 3 years before I consider moving on.
He is having lunch with his x-Employee from Job A and which now is at Job C. He would be his manager again if he took the job. DH was more of a mentor to him. Hopefully he can gather more details. They are not interviewing anybody else.
Don't fall into the trap of being more loyal to the company than they are to you. They would let him go in an instant if it served their needs. Also, if the benefits suck, that's a risk they take and shows how much they value their employees (which is not much).
Given his history, this is not a big deal at all! If he is being recruited with a better package, better benefits, and is in a feel he *wants* to go back to, it would be dumb to turn it down! Good luck to him!
Allllll of this. People have to do what's best for them, especially in this economic climate we're in where a lot of companies give no shits about their employees. And while his current company might like him and all, he has very legitimate reasons to go back - he discovered that he prefers his old field and the benefits are not great. But even if he just didn't like the place, that would be enough for me to jump ship.
These days, I just don't bat an eye to people "job-hopping." Yeah, sometimes there are employee-driven reasons behind it that could give a hiring manager pause, but most of the time, people are just trying to find their niche (and also make ends meet, as jumping around from company to company is often the only way these days to get pay raises).
You all have a point about companies shitting on you and never looking back.
He reminded me of what took place both times I had a baby. Laid off on my first day back from maternity leave (2 years of loyalty) and the other was the "lateral" demotion after I announced I was pg. (3 years of loyalty)
sure have and I don't regret it! I knew early on that a job I accepted was not a good fit, so I applied for another position and luckily got it. In total, I was with the other job for about 5 months.
I was laid off after 6 years from my first post-college job. I left my next job after 3 months. I've been at the company I left it for for 8.5 years. I don't think it's an issue especially if it's not a pattern. My recruiter even told me I could leave off the short-term job in the future, which would give me a 6 month gap.
It’s likely fine. There’s little loyalty anymore. That said, I wouldn’t make it a habit, so he needs to be prepared to stick with the new company for a few years.
FWIW, my H has job hopped a ton. I’ve hated it. It culminated in him being out of work for 10 months. The stress on our finances and marriage cannot be overstated. So I’d be very clear about your concerns and agree on a length of time that he needs to stay with this new company that will make you comfortable.
I was a SAHM doing freelance work for 4 years, and took an in-office FT job. I lasted 6 months. The climate was awful and I was trying to find any way possible to get out. A position with my former company was created for me and I jumped at it. At this point, 3+ years on, I don't even include the 6-month stint on my resume. I agree with the others, this is not a career-destroying move
Another vote that this is a non issue if he was with other employers longer. I work in HR and we hired a manager who didn’t have more than 2 years at any of her last 5 employers. Her team is extremely skeptical that she will stick around (the first thing everyone did was look her up on LinkedIn). So I do think it matters, but only if it is a consistent pattern.
I don't think short tenures are quite the career killing death knells that people on this board make them out to be.
My husband is on his fourth job since 2010. He still gets calls from recruiters often.
+1
Sounds like he should absolutely keep interviewing and see what they offer.
My millennial is showing, but my husband and I both have about a two year average at each job (8 years post college for him, 6 for me). We’ve always left for a better opportunity (or relocation for spouse following the better opportunity) and this has resulted in significant pay jumps for both of us (my salary nearly doubled from 2015 to 2018, his nearly tripled). It’s never been an issue on any interview we’ve had and we both get contacted by recruiters regularly.
I'm with everyone else--that it won't affect him in the long term or shouldn't for this opportunity. If he thinks it's a good fit, he should take the seriously consider it.
I don't think short tenures are quite the career killing death knells that people on this board make them out to be.
My husband is on his fourth job since 2010. He still gets calls from recruiters often.
+1
Sounds like he should absolutely keep interviewing and see what they offer.
My millennial is showing, but my husband and I both have about a two year average at each job (8 years post college for him, 6 for me). We’ve always left for a better opportunity (or relocation for spouse following the better opportunity) and this has resulted in significant pay jumps for both of us (my salary nearly doubled from 2015 to 2018, his nearly tripled). It’s never been an issue on any interview we’ve had and we both get contacted by recruiters regularly.
I definitely think that the attitude towards moving jobs a lot has changed. But - I think this can also be industry specific too. It sounds like you and DH may be in industries where this isn’t frowned upon AND the fact that you clearly have a skill that people want, a company interested in you isn’t going to have a problem with the job hopping.
that doesn’t mean this exists across the board. Someone who isn’t in a position to be recruited and moves jobs a lot? At some point that may very well catch up with them where an employer is going to question “Why do they keep leaving jobs?”.
Relocation and what is clearly a better opportunity is one thing. Because you (the general you) might be problem employee who has problems everywhere you work is another.
I also have a 2 year average for jobs in my career with 1 of those jobs being 9 months. Its never been an issue before. And if they are recruiting him that heavily it wont matter for this job. I dont think its worth worrying right now about some possible job after this.
Post by ellipses84 on Aug 17, 2018 23:48:50 GMT -5
I think it’s fine. On my resume I only show years, not months for dates so someone wouldn’t really know if I was there 11 months or 5 months. If he stays at the new job for more than 2 years, it really won’t matter in the long run. I consider myself a really loyal hardworking employee but I’ve worked at 5 different companies in 13 years. My current one is the longest stint at 4 years, all the others were 1+ to 3 years, and I transferred to a different office after 3 years at my current company.
Post by thebulldog on Aug 22, 2018 21:22:09 GMT -5
if the other job is recruiting him hardcore, it obviously does not matter to them if he has been there less than a year. i would not think twice about this.